Somehow I missed the announcement but Valance the Hunter is getting his own canon comic miniseries starting this July.
At first I thought the Resistance Reborn novel was going to be a young adult novel, but it actually listed as an adult novel. Which makes me think the content will be a little more substantial.
The comic run about Leia trying to recruit Mon Calamari to the Resistance sounds pretty interesting too. If you’re a Mon Calamari fan, you should definitely get into the comics. There was an arc in the Darth Vader comic about the Empire attacking Mon Calamari right after the end of the Clone Wars, then in the Star Wars run there was an arc about the planet joining the rebellion shortly after a New Hope. So those two arcs, plus this new arc, we’ll have three glimpses of Mon Calamari during each trilogy, and how this one planet played a major role in the power dynamics of the galaxy.
I hope overtime we’ll get plenty of content that takes places in this new time period. I want to spend time here, where we can see how Kylo Ren rules as Supreme Leader, fighting a resistance movement led by his own mother.
Yeah I’m excited to finally see more substantial ST era content. I imagine the floodgates will really open after TROS comes out.
Is it really any worse than Leia saying Tarkin smells, to his face?
I think the difference here is Leia using language/phrasing that is less contemporary than what Poe uses.
Is “Hugs” especially contemporary though? I’m not sure I understand.
I didn’t even notice that. I mean it’s really just a bad joke, at worst. I can’t imagine it being a contender for the worst moment in all of Star Wars
Anyone who says it is is just fooling themselves. You can not like it, that’s fine, but even then it’s not even close to some of the shit that has happened in these movies.
regularjoe said:
yo mama jokeWhere’s that?
Opening of TLJ- when Poe is stalling Hux. I don’t think it’s that bad.
It’s slightly disingenuous to call it a “yo mama” joke. “Yo mama” jokes have a specific structure. Poe just jokingly mentions Hux’s mother. Two different things. I mean I kinda agree that it’s weird, but also it feels in character for Poe.
This stuff looks great so far. How are you planning on dealing with SE elements? Like the battle of Yavin, will you leave that mostly as is?
And from what I understood they only had concept art for Grievous to go off of, so they had to invent his personality on their own.
But to be fair, I understand why George wanted to make this General character a mustache-twirling villain that runs away and gets beat over and over. It fits into that villain archetype of old serials. I don’t think people would have been as disappointed if Grievous had just been set up that way in the micro-series as well.
Growing up I always rationalized the characterization difference as Grievous being pretty powerful right after his transformation, but slowly became weaker as his remaining organics struggled to exist within his cyborg body.
At the end of the micro series he gets injured by Mace, which presumably causes his cough, and which I interpreted as a kid to inform his more cautious demeanor in ROTS. Honestly I don’t even have that much of a problem with how Grievous is portrayed in ROTS. Just don’t think “charismatic” is a word that applies to him.
Yeah, I think Filoni was initially reluctant to bring Maul back, but it came from George.
I also am not sure if George wanted the Jedi Killer to copy his look from Vader, but it does seem like the Jedi Killer was meant to be the son of Han and Leia (which was revealed to the Visualists in Summer of 2013). It is possible though that was a Michael Ardnt idea. But the Jedi Killer being the grandson of Darth Vader at least rationalized the character’s desire to emulate Vader, even in appearance.
Sure, but rational, logical, thematically compelling storytelling doesn’t matter if Mala doesn’t personally like it.
It seems like a very George idea. I’m still skeptical (at best) of it, but thinking on it there’s probably a way to do it that’d be really cool and actually benefit the thematic through line of the trilogy and saga as a whole. If he’s just the big bad reborn again, that’ll be silly. But if he’s more of a specter, if it’s more about the long shadow that he cast and maybe his spirit is playing some role to carry out his legacy, it’d make sense if that’s one of the final sort of challenges that these characters have to overcome.
Nothing in Lucas Star Wars Saga supports he would have resurrected a character that way. Maul wasn’t his idea. It’s a very JJ idea on the contrary (i.e. trying to look cool while making silly mmies such as TFA…).
Am I crazy? Wasn’t Maul entirely Lucas’s idea?
His resurection in TCW ? I thought it was Filoni’s idea. I may be wrong.
Google search tells me yes (https://ew.com/article/2011/10/12/star-wars-clone-wars-darth-maul/):
Filoni acknowledges that the order to resurrect the Sith Lord came from George Lucas himself
Worth mentioning that Lucas declared Boba Fett not dead too.
But Lucas certainly not the one who made him appear in a subsequent movie (Kasdan and Howard did…).
…so?
Here is a part of the interview with the Dark Empire author.
TOM: Our original proposal was to bring back Darth Vader’s costume and mask, with somebody else inside it. We felt the Empire would want to maintain the fearsome image of Vader and wouldn’t much care who was wearing the armor and breathing mask. George vetoed that idea (although he did allow us to have Vader appear in dreams and memories). He said, no, you can’t bring back the Vader costume…but if you can figure out how to bring back the Emperor, that’s o.k.
The obvious way to bring back the Emperor was with cloning, which George immediately approved.
Now, Zahn has said in an interview that bringing back the Emperor goes against the story of Return of the Jedi, where we see the Emperor destroyed by Darth Vader. But Zahn misses something essential about that scene: When the Emperor dares Luke to “strike me down”, he seems utterly indifferent to his own death! He feels that whatever the outcome of this confrontation with Luke, he, Palpatine, will conquer.
http://www.starwarsunderworld.com/2016/08/interview-with-dark-empire-writer-tom.html?m=1
Yeah, a clone of a character isn’t the character itself. And it’s in a book (no longer canon). Not in a movie Lucas made.
The point is that Lucas was for the idea then so it’s not hard to see why he might be again later. I’m not sure why it really matters either way, just speculating. Evidence says it’s not unreasonable to suspect Lucas could have come up with the idea (yes, also possible he didn’t). Worth mentioning too that beyond those initial treatments he wrote, JJ also met with him before he started writing IX.
Interesting to read that Lucas was against the idea of bringing a (lame) wanabe Vader’s figure. Something Kasdan and JJ eventually did (Kylo Ren, lame in TFA, way better in TLJ), which was a very bad idea Rian tried to fix (“remove this stupid mask”); but sadly JJ is directing again for the finale 😕
A version of the Kylo Ren character was born out of Lucas’s ST treatments. Not exactly the same character, but considering you think that having a mask is what makes him lame, I should mention that it was a masked character in George’s version.
Grievous figure, i.e. the new charismatic vilain
We just going to ignore this?
Oh yeah sorry, I wrote it in French: I meant to write “villain”, with two “l”. “Vilain” is the French spelling.
I think he meant how you referred to Grievous as a compelling villain!
I wrote “charismatic”, which he is (even if I tend to think more of Tartakovsky’s ultimate badass version than Lucas), not “compelling”.
Maybe the word means something else in French.
It seems like a very George idea. I’m still skeptical (at best) of it, but thinking on it there’s probably a way to do it that’d be really cool and actually benefit the thematic through line of the trilogy and saga as a whole. If he’s just the big bad reborn again, that’ll be silly. But if he’s more of a specter, if it’s more about the long shadow that he cast and maybe his spirit is playing some role to carry out his legacy, it’d make sense if that’s one of the final sort of challenges that these characters have to overcome.
Nothing in Lucas Star Wars Saga supports he would have resurrected a character that way. Maul wasn’t his idea. It’s a very JJ idea on the contrary (i.e. trying to look cool while making silly mmies such as TFA…).
Am I crazy? Wasn’t Maul entirely Lucas’s idea?
It seems like a very George idea. I’m still skeptical (at best) of it, but thinking on it there’s probably a way to do it that’d be really cool and actually benefit the thematic through line of the trilogy and saga as a whole. If he’s just the big bad reborn again, that’ll be silly. But if he’s more of a specter, if it’s more about the long shadow that he cast and maybe his spirit is playing some role to carry out his legacy, it’d make sense if that’s one of the final sort of challenges that these characters have to overcome.
Grievous figure, i.e. the new charismatic vilain
We just going to ignore this?
JJ doesn’t strike me as the kinda guy who’d put out a movie that length, but I’d be totally okay with it too (if warranted).
Removing Sidious is an idea I’ve considered too. And I think it’s actually been done? Seciors I think?
We got a real badass over here.
I too had ideas about what I wanted the ST to be, but I don’t hold it against them for not doing it exactly how I imagined.
I thought I was the only one (at least around here) who wanted new adventures with our old friends.
All I ever heard was “There to old! Movies need to be about young people because I’m a young people!”
If you think you’re the only one, you’ve clearly never been on Twitter. (Which I have to say, I’m jealous.) I honestly can’t remember anyone complaining that they’re too old. Pretty much the main reason so many people were excited was the main cast returning.
We’ve had this exact conversation so many times. It’s honestly insane.
So nothing in TFA indicates that she accepted the call to action?
Man I don’t know how to respond without just recounting the events of the movies. I feel like I’ve done that too much.
You said she won the cosmic lottery. Lotteries are random. That means she was randomly chosen. That’s what that word means. And whether she was “chosen” or not is completely debatable.
Touché, but considering how virtuous, and perfect she is, I take back the cosmic lotery statement, and maintain she was chosen to be the hero:
“Darkness rises, and light to meet it.”
She is thus her destiny to be the defender of the light, not by choice.
That’s still your interpretation. It was someone’s destiny to defend the light. She made the choice to be that someone.
You said she won the cosmic lottery. Lotteries are random. That means she was randomly chosen. That’s what that word means. And whether she was “chosen” or not is completely debatable.
And who’s to say some obnoxious smuck doesn’t have that potential as well?
As soon as it became apparent that Rey wasn’t Rey Random, she became much less interesting to me. As is the sequel trilogy.
I must have missed that scene.
Rey has been chosen. She’s not a random person, or just anyone at the right moment, and the right time. The ST just replaced a genetic lotery with a cosmic lotery. The idea that any person can tap into the Force and be a Jedi through training, and hard work is as foreign to the ST as it was for the PT.
That’s just speculation. And she’s still random either way.
Anyone who says TFA was nothing but “pure fan service,” go watch Avengers, come back, look at this picture and tell me if you still think that
