DominicCobb

It might be needlessly complicating things, but you could make the argument to watch Solo right before TFA. I’d say that adds a little something to Han’s story in TFA, but otherwise I’d agree that the spinoffs can be easily saved to after the fact. I’d almost agree to giving TPM an “anthology” classification, but ultimately the main reason I think you should keep it is the Shmi/Anakin relationship.

Given they went back to the (anamorphic) negative, isn’t there a chance that the AR difference is because the de-stretch is a bit different?

DuracellEnergizer said:

imp-ardnfi said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Will the recent bans on certain types of conversations be lifted and will certain previously banned users like TV’s Frink be allowed to return?

SilverWook said:

Any donations made should not have conditions or strings attached.

Warbler said:

I assume that now Anchorhead and Silverwook are officially in charge.

silverwheel said:

Viva Silverwook and Anchorhead!

Or: The Admin is dead! Long live the Admins!

Have you looked at normal threads throughout the “old” OriginalTrilogy? They’re littered with “banned” symbols. History tells us that, in a change of power, one of the first things the new administration does is to free the prisoners of the old regime (who were mostly political dissidents, or otherwise “accused” before a “kangaroo court”). Even TV’s Frink, well known as a free-reigning trouble-maker (just look at his post history), also deserves that same clean slate.

Or: Down With Proposition #3,204

The second thing the new administration does is to strike down the myriad of old laws, which were a never-referenced excuse for arbitrary tyranny anyway, and replace them with brief basic principles.

So, I SECOND THE MOVE for amnesty, or jubilee, to remove ALL old banned status from the old OriginalTrilogy, for the new OriginalTrilogy. Regarding donations, there are always strings on donations, both plus AND minus, so that’s a pseudo-argument. Finally, I finish with a reminder, and good luck to us all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXrmQBPg2s0

It’s been over a year since the political dissidents in question were banned, and it’s been almost a year since the changing of the guard. If they were ever gonna be allowed back, it would’ve happened by now. Also, the mods have made it adamantly clear that it’s unlikely their bans will ever be lifted, even with Jay no longer calling the shots.

I continue to detest the verdict, and I believe it’s effectively killed Off-Topic, but them’s the breaks.

Frankly, I don’t think they care. Really the only reason this site still exists is the preservation section. They don’t give a shit if the rest of the forum is a ghost town or not.

It wasn’t a complaint. I don’t have a problem with it at all and thought it was a good episode and not a bad reference point, I just personally won’t be giving them any cleverness points it.

screams in the void said:

I just watched episode 4 . A few thoughts…the Seven Samurai trope has been used in Star Wars spinoff material a few times , most recently in The Clone Wars animated series . No surprise as Filoni had a hand in that . Also , the very first original Marvel comics tale after the first film was a seven samurai/magnifecent seven homage . I was also very much reminded of the Marauders from battle for Endor at the start of the episode . I enjoyed this episode .

I actually had the thought watching, I wonder how many times Secen Samurai has been done by this franchise? I know of the two you mentioned, but surely there’s at least one if not many more in all of the EU.

Show me literally any evidence of RJ bashing any fan who simply disliked the movie without being toxic or just get out of here honestly. The only political divide here are the people who think facts don’t matter and those who think they do.

Either way, it’s off topic.

Truthfully I don’t anyone posting or lurking this forum is a good indicator of the larger populace, one way or another.

My guess is, aside from the haters online, the word of mouth from even people who don’t like it will be “you should still see it anyway.” It’s the finale, and they’re going balls out, which will be an enticing curiosity even to those who haven’t liked the last two. The war is really more to grab the attention of the general populace who enjoy SW but maybe haven’t necessarily seen every SW film, and haven’t really thought about the series much since they saw TLJ or TFA in theaters.

There’s basically zero chance it will touch TFA numbers but also anyone who thinks it could is crazy. That hype will never again be topped in this franchise.

It seemed like they wanted to get back towards that traditional SW Memorial Day weekend, but the weird thing was, by the time Solo came out, that just felt so wrong. After three Christmases in a row with an SW film, to me at least it kind of felt like that’s where it always belonged, almost like how could you release a SW film at anytime other than Christmas? In the summer it’s just another in the sea of blockbusters, but in December it really stands out as an event. And as a family friendly franchise, it pairs nicely with the home for the holidays holiday. I haven’t made it to a big family Christmas party in years, but when TFA came out it was a big topic of discussion at my family’s get together. That sort of thing really helps with the overall hype and BO performance.

Regardless of the tracking numbers, one thing that’s important to note is that the film comes out Dec 20, and Christmas is that Wednesday. Which means that for TROS, it won’t be an opening weekend so much as an opening week, where the business is a bit more spread out. TFA opened on a similar weekend and look at that opening/daily box office/final tally vs. Avengers: Endgame, for instance. That’s why you’ll see my opening prediction is a lot more conservative than my total prediction.

theprequelsrule said:

DominicCobb said:

Broom Kid said:

I think it’s off the table primarily because if they ever actually wanted it to be on the table they’d have made an exception to it’s being de-canonized like they did for Darth Maul: Son of Dathomir.

Not sure I understand what you mean, I didn’t think Son of Dathomir was ever not canon.

theprequelsrule said:

DominicCobb said:

theprequelsrule said:

DominicCobb said:

Considering they seem to have been careful not to retell any stories from the EU (besides when it’s something mentioned in the films, like RO and Solo, where things are done completely differently from the EU), it’s hard to imagine them doing an adaptation of an EU story. But never say never I guess.

Give it time. Think about it; you have a very popular story arc and character - so you have a built in audience for it. You have many fans, including myself, who want to see our OT heroes in their prime again. There are many scenes from those books that I would love to see in live-action (Luke’s fight with the Noghri for instance).

As I said years ago in an earlier thread, a mini-series of a dozen episodes or so would better suit The Thrawn Trilogy then trying to compress it all into 3 films.

We’ll see. I don’t think it’s an impossibility. Certainly something like the Thrawn trilogy must seem tempting, considering the character is now canon. But do they adapt it as close as they can, considering current canon circumstances? Or do they just do a very vague ‘OT heroes vs Thrown’ sort of thing?

For me, I’m kinda with Broom Kid. Not that big a fan of Zahn’s take on the franchise, so I’d hope if they did tackle it, they’d change some things.

What aspects of Zahn’s take do you dislike? What aspects, if any, do you like?

Well, I should clarify I’ve only read HTTE. It was more a matter of perspective/genre than of specific aspects, Zahn treated the series like military sci-fi, which just felt very wrong to me and made it hard to get into the story. I’m not a big fan of Thrawn as a character, but what can you do, he’s in the canon now either way. The ysalamiri were pretty dumb too, just as bad as midichlorians honestly.

What about Thrawn bothered you? I understand your reservations about the ysalamiri; an idea a little to “sciency” for SW (felt like something out of Star Trek instead). However; the payoff was great.

Thrawn’s "genius’ is just a little obnoxious, that’s all. Don’t hate the character.

Broom Kid said:

DominicCobb said:

Broom Kid said:

I think it’s off the table primarily because if they ever actually wanted it to be on the table they’d have made an exception to it’s being de-canonized like they did for Darth Maul: Son of Dathomir.

Not sure I understand what you mean, I didn’t think Son of Dathomir was ever not canon.

They made an exception for it while it was being made, before de-canonizing everything. When the great de-canonizing occurred, that was the one title that was spared, due to it’s being adapted from a Clone Wars script. But it was still a Dark Horse comic, and everything else from Dark Horse’s run got turned into Legends. Son of Dathomir was basically singled out for sparing.

But didn’t it come out after the reboot which would have meant granting it an exception unnecessary?

theprequelsrule said:

DominicCobb said:

like too how the EU novel Labyrinth of Evil sets up that Anakin has basically been, unbeknownst to Obi-wan, slowly but surely tapping into the power of the dark side as a means to help win the Clone Wars. What if Anakin’s whole goal was to end the war, and really kinda thought he was a good man, trying to bring peace to the galaxy (words that ring hollow in ROTS as is), which is why he agreed to quickly wipe out the Jedi so that they wouldn’t quickly fall into another war? It’s funny because you can see that’s sort of Lucas’s intent but it ends up as subtext, at best.

We are never shown the implied addictive character of the Darkside are we? You start to use it because you feel you need the power, but in the end it masters you. There is an implication that it is a malevolent force that twists it’s users to pure evil even if they had noble goals. Palpatine is the end result of the process; power for power’s sake.

Yes, that’s exactly how it was portrayed in the OT and then Lucas dropped the ball. Just look at the scene where Anakin kills Dooku - instead of instinctively killing him after unleashing his anger to best him, he has to be goaded into doing it after he’s already admitted that it’s not the right thing to do. So stupid.

Broom Kid said:

I think it’s off the table primarily because if they ever actually wanted it to be on the table they’d have made an exception to it’s being de-canonized like they did for Darth Maul: Son of Dathomir.

Not sure I understand what you mean, I didn’t think Son of Dathomir was ever not canon.

theprequelsrule said:

DominicCobb said:

theprequelsrule said:

DominicCobb said:

Considering they seem to have been careful not to retell any stories from the EU (besides when it’s something mentioned in the films, like RO and Solo, where things are done completely differently from the EU), it’s hard to imagine them doing an adaptation of an EU story. But never say never I guess.

Give it time. Think about it; you have a very popular story arc and character - so you have a built in audience for it. You have many fans, including myself, who want to see our OT heroes in their prime again. There are many scenes from those books that I would love to see in live-action (Luke’s fight with the Noghri for instance).

As I said years ago in an earlier thread, a mini-series of a dozen episodes or so would better suit The Thrawn Trilogy then trying to compress it all into 3 films.

We’ll see. I don’t think it’s an impossibility. Certainly something like the Thrawn trilogy must seem tempting, considering the character is now canon. But do they adapt it as close as they can, considering current canon circumstances? Or do they just do a very vague ‘OT heroes vs Thrown’ sort of thing?

For me, I’m kinda with Broom Kid. Not that big a fan of Zahn’s take on the franchise, so I’d hope if they did tackle it, they’d change some things.

What aspects of Zahn’s take do you dislike? What aspects, if any, do you like?

Well, I should clarify I’ve only read HTTE. It was more a matter of perspective/genre than of specific aspects, Zahn treated the series like military sci-fi, which just felt very wrong to me and made it hard to get into the story. I’m not a big fan of Thrawn as a character, but what can you do, he’s in the canon now either way. The ysalamiri were pretty dumb too, just as bad as midichlorians honestly.

NeverarGreat said:

It’s funny to think about the point of each of the prequels individually and if they actually add to the Skywalker saga.

TPM right out of the gate falls into irrelevance by depicting Anakin before he is old enough to have developed any moral nuance. We learn nothing about him except that he’s a really swell little kid who flies good and wants to do other things good too, knowing nothing of greed. Oh, and he also has a superficial crush on the queen. Virtually every experience gained in this movie is ignored by its sequels.

AOTC decides to go into developing this superficial crush angle and turn it into True Love, which fails epically. But not to worry, we still have Anakin as a good man nobly upholding the Jedi ideals and resisting the call of the Dark Side. Except that he murders a tribe of sentient creatures (people), thus torpedoing any attempt at the ‘good man’ angle. But maybe if we discard these two movies, the last one will prove that he was still maturing and that he will become a good man, and maybe give some compelling reason for his fall.

So anyway Anakin straight up beheads an unarmed prisoner in the first twenty minutes of ROTS. This somehow isn’t in the scene where he falls to the Dark Side. No, in the scene where he falls to the Dark Side it is because of True Love, Unlimited Power, or Jedi Are Evil maybe. True Love rings false because he strangles his True Love anyway, and The Jedi Are Evil angle feels like petty childishness coming on the heels of his denial of Mastership. So we’re left with Unlimited Power, essentially simple greed. This is the least compelling answer of all, but has thematic roots in TPM so I guess that’s the answer.

There is one interesting aspect of all three of these explanations for his turn to evil - they are all thematically established in the first installment in the most superficial way possible due to Anakin’s immaturity, and then all three are grossly mishandled in the second installment to such an extent that it is manifestly clear that they are all subservient to, and governed by, Anakin’s persisting immaturity. This overarching theme, Anakin’s immaturity, is the only reason for his fall to the Dark Side that rings true.

And this destroys the message of the OT.

You’re absolutely right that the main reason that rings true is immaturity, I never thought of it that way.

It’s crazy to me how you can pinpoint all the missed opportunities along the way. I remember, as a kid, seeing TPM and thinking Anakin saying he wants to free all the slaves would be something that comes back later. Nope. But it could have. What if ‘freeing the slaves’ led Anakin to think, misguidedly, that an iron-fisted Palpatine regime was necessary to be in place in every system of the galaxy so that everyone followed the rule of law? I like too how the EU novel Labyrinth of Evil sets up that Anakin has basically been, unbeknownst to Obi-wan, slowly but surely tapping into the power of the dark side as a means to help win the Clone Wars. What if Anakin’s whole goal was to end the war, and really kinda thought he was a good man, trying to bring peace to the galaxy (words that ring hollow in ROTS as is), which is why he agreed to quickly wipe out the Jedi so that they wouldn’t quickly fall into another war? It’s funny because you can see that’s sort of Lucas’s intent but it ends up as subtext, at best.

FreezingTNT2 said:

theprequelsrule said:

Anakin’s fall to the darkside was terrible. The whole notion that he was tricked into believing that the Jedi were attempting a coup etc. Yuck, yuck, yuck.

How would you have handled Anakin’s fall to the dark side instead? What would you have done instead of having him believe the Jedi were evil?

For me, it’s actually a simple answer. Rather than have Anakin be tricked into believing the Jedi were staging a coup, they should have had the Jedi actually stage a coup. We should understand where Anakin’s coming from, even if we ultimately don’t agree with his choices. The Jedi should have more explicitly flawed as an institution and Anakin should have had an ideological opposition to them in addition to being seduced to the dark side.

theprequelsrule said:

DominicCobb said:

Considering they seem to have been careful not to retell any stories from the EU (besides when it’s something mentioned in the films, like RO and Solo, where things are done completely differently from the EU), it’s hard to imagine them doing an adaptation of an EU story. But never say never I guess.

Give it time. Think about it; you have a very popular story arc and character - so you have a built in audience for it. You have many fans, including myself, who want to see our OT heroes in their prime again. There are many scenes from those books that I would love to see in live-action (Luke’s fight with the Noghri for instance).

As I said years ago in an earlier thread, a mini-series of a dozen episodes or so would better suit The Thrawn Trilogy then trying to compress it all into 3 films.

We’ll see. I don’t think it’s an impossibility. Certainly something like the Thrawn trilogy must seem tempting, considering the character is now canon. But do they adapt it as close as they can, considering current canon circumstances? Or do they just do a very vague ‘OT heroes vs Thrown’ sort of thing?

For me, I’m kinda with Broom Kid. Not that big a fan of Zahn’s take on the franchise, so I’d hope if they did tackle it, they’d change some things.

Considering they seem to have been careful not to retell any stories from the EU (besides when it’s something mentioned in the films, like RO and Solo, where things are done completely differently from the EU), it’s hard to imagine them doing an adaptation of an EU story. But never say never I guess.

It doesn’t have to be genetically modified or anything sci-fi. It’s just a hairstyle, and hardly one of the weirder ones in this series.

Learned about what sounds like a pretty great one, but I can’t seem to find where to watch it!

A Night at the Movies: George Lucas and the World of Fantasy Cinema
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4837300/

“Director George Lucas discusses the fantasy genre of films, covering more than a century of filmmaking, and explains the inspirations for his popular Star Wars saga.”

Seems to be totally unavailable to me but I’d be happy to be wrong. This is one of my favorite aspects of the films!

The problem is you kind of set up a story that doesn’t happen. In the case of that, you’d think all the Resistance needs to do is convince people Starkiller base has been destroyed. Since that isn’t part of the movie, I think there’d be a disconnect.

DuracellEnergizer said:

RogueLeader said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Broom Kid said:

it seems almost like Mandalorians are the Star Wars version of Klingons now.

That’s an insult to the Mandalorians.

I’ve heard a lot of people describe the legends Mandos this way, I guess since they make the easiest comparisons as “the warrior race”.

Maybe it fits Karen Traviss’ Mandos. I wouldn’t know, since I never read that stuff. But the Mandalorians in TCW were far better than the Space Vikings of TNG+.

Well I’m not a big Trek guy but so far that’s how the Mandos are in The Mandalorian.

RogueLeader said:

joefavs said:

I fully expect Filoni to do something about Ahsoka and Sabine searching for Ezra around the same time as The Mandalorian (and I think it would rule if those characters showed up on Mando when that other hypothetical show/miniseries/movie/whatever gets going, a la that one TNG 2-parter where they went to DS9). As for whether or not Dave is a reasonable or probable pick to replace Kennedy at some point, I kind of feel like he’s too much of a writer for that gig. Does that sort of job typically go to a creative?

I’ve heard rumors of there being another animated series that would be the spiritual successor to Rebels and The Clone Wars. It’s likely that Sabine, Ezra, and Ahsoka would return in that series, but I’m hoping it isn’t just about that.

I kind of hope that this is another “gap” series, sort of how Rebels and TCW filled the gaps between movies, Series #3 would fill the gap in-between Return of the Jedi and the Force Awakens. I think an animated series would be the perfect way to show the further adventures of Luke, Han and Leia. The show would need a new young protagonist to follow like Ahsoka or Ezra. It could be one of Luke’s students, but having it be Ben Solo would also be a great way to add further weight to his character in the Sequel Trilogy.

We’ve already seen that Dave Filoni likes to introduce Legends material, and combining the story of the OT heroes and the animated heroes would allow for this show to potentially do a soft reboot of Heir to the Empire, or at the very least have the OT heroes encounter Thrawn. The OT heroes interacting with characters like Ahsoka, Ezra and Sabine could be interesting too.

I will say as much as I want to see the search for Ezra, I don’t just want Rebels part 2. I definitely think something like a miniseries could work, or perhaps something along the lines of what Rebels did for TCW, where you see the continuing adventures of the characters for the last show as part of a show about new characters.

Part of my likes the idea of following the OT heroes but another part of me is kinda worried they’d fuck that up. I’d probably prefer the OT heroes to show up as background characters as well.

It’s funny that we’re just outright assuming it’ll take place in between ROTJ and TFA, like TM, but honestly it’d be pretty surprising if it didn’t. That’s the ideal spot right now for SW content because you can tie the classic in with the new era, and there’s so many years and very few stories there.

joefavs said:

I fully expect Filoni to do something about Ahsoka and Sabine searching for Ezra around the same time as The Mandalorian (and I think it would rule if those characters showed up on Mando when that other hypothetical show/miniseries/movie/whatever gets going, a la that one TNG 2-parter where they went to DS9). As for whether or not Dave is a reasonable or probable pick to replace Kennedy at some point, I kind of feel like he’s too much of a writer for that gig. Does that sort of job typically go to a creative?

Yeah I’ve been waiting since Rebels ended for the announcement of a search for Ezra show. I hadn’t even considered the possibility of Rebels crossing over in live action on Mandalorian. That’d be cool, even if I doubt it. More likely we’d see background characters go back and forth, like Favreau’s new Paz Vizla character from TM. Either way if they do make that show there will have to be some element of crossover, at least insofar as how Mandalore and Mandalorians are treated, considering how big a storyline for Sabine that was towards the end of Rebels.

As for replacing Kennedy, it’s not necessarily a simple answer. It’s not atypical for the head of a production company to be a creative. A germane example would be George Lucas, obviously, but also someone like JJ Abrams and Bad Robot. Of course, Lucas is an example where running the company sort of pulled him away from the creative stuff more and more, and JJ seems to be a little similar where most of his output recently is producing work. But producing can be creative as well, and you can see something like Marvel Studios where Kevin Fiege is sort of the show runner of the MCU (as the producer of all of those movies), as well as the president of the company. That said, LFL is a little unique in that has a number of different facets (ILM, for instance), including future films that won’t be Star Wars (or Indy), in addition to the SW multimedia franchise.

I don’t know what role Filoni would take, were he to get a promotion, but one would think it would be some sort of overall position with a specifically creative bent, whatever title that would end up being (perhaps something like CCO, even if not president). Of course, this is all dependent on what he wants to do, but like I said my point is that he would seem an attractive candidate for such a thing.

Broom Kid said:

FWIW I don’t see Filoni “ascending” to President of Lucasfilm. Mostly because I don’t get the sense he even wants that. It’s not really a reward, honestly.

I don’t know if it’ll happen or if he wants it, but it will almost certainly be considered.

Broom Kid said:

I wonder if this storyline is the primary reason Filoni was brought onboard? It’s sort of like how Ronald D. Moore essentially became “The Klingon Guy” at Star Trek, because he was more or less the de-facto expert on their culture after reshaping it through his episodes.

Filoni is that for Mandalorians, probably. Especially since it seems almost like Mandalorians are the Star Wars version of Klingons now.

Filoni is probably on board for a lot of reasons. He’s been part of LFL’s unofficial brain trust since the Disney acquisition, so he was probably going to consult to some extent on this regardless. When you consider that Favreau worked with him on TCW in Mandalorian episodes specifically, it’d have been kinda weird if Favreau hadn’t asked Filoni to have a creative role on the series. All that, plus it sounds like Filoni wanted to dip his toes into live action.

Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if he has his own live action series at some point. I’d also imagine his stature within the LFL hierarchy will probably increase as the years go on. The incessant fan speculation that Kennedy will be fired and replaced with Filoni is annoying and laughable, but the truth is Kennedy isn’t young and won’t have her job forever. When she leaves, you have to imagine Filoni would be near the top of the list for a replacement.