DominicCobb

canofhumdingers said:

DominicCobb said:

Sifo Dyas said:

I didn’t know about this Yojimbo film, but I guess for a good reason.

If you reuse something you should make it better, as all of those pictures you mentioned here did.

What makes you think that’s true? If you’ve never, by your own admission, even heard of them? Because I assure you it is not.

Oof I’m glad you got to this before I did. Yojimbo is a SPECTACULAR film and very much the better of the two.

Jedit: oh geez, I just realized he’s also implying Magnificent Seven is an improvement over Seven Samurai…! Egad!

Return of the jedit:
I should’ve read his whole post before commenting! If you didn’t realize that Magnificent Seven was a blatant remake of Seven Samurai, then you had never seen Seven Samurai. Same goes for Yojimbo/Fistful of Dollars.

Your argument is preposterous. I stand by my statement that it doesn’t matter if it’s been done before, all that matters is how well THIS version does it.

Yes, not only are the Kurosawa films much better than the western remakes, the idea that it’s only one or the other is baffling. It’s okay to like a film and its remake. Remakes are not replacements.

Sifo Dyas said:

canofhumdingers said:

Yeah, we know. We’ve discussed it all already. Shogun Assassin is just a film compiled from parts of the first two Lone Wolf and Cub films, edited together for American theatrical release. Magnificent Seven is just “reused material” (to quote you) from Seven Samurai set in the American West rather than Feudal Japan.

Did you know Star Wars (1977) is just a bunch of standard hero and myth tropes jumbled together with a bit of fantasy, western, and samurai genres all blended together? Did you know Fistful of Dollars is just a spaghetti western remake of Yojimbo? Things reuse ideas from previous things. Omg! There’s a reason the word “tropes” exits…

The issue is, how well does THIS media execute those ideas? I thought episode 5 was possibly the weakest so far. I still liked it, but it definitely had some issues with the casting and maybe the directing imo. I still think episode 2 and 3 were the high point so far but this is still a very fun series! I’m sad we’ve got only, what, two more to go this season?

I didn’t know about this Yojimbo film, but I guess for a good reason.

If you reuse something you should make it better, as all of those pictures you mentioned here did.

What makes you think that’s true? If you’ve never, by your own admission, even heard of them? Because I assure you it is not.

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

I would think that 50 years in hiding would give someone a chance to practice.

I mean, it’s a baby.

Disagree strongly. The praxis in ANH totally ruins the effect and the sound wave takes away from the delightful twinkling score. It’s just an added distraction.

I don’t remember the in and outs of this score well, but there are certainly some missing tracks on the OST. It might be on the film’s For Your Consideration soundtrack release if you have that.

It’s still to early to tell but I think I’ve come around to the idea that the Mandalorian might help TROS’s box office, but not in the way people suggested. No, it’s not because it’s so good I think it’ll reinvigorate fans, it’s because Baby Yoda memes are absolutely everywhere and are doing a lot to just generally raise awareness and hype for Star Wars with general audience members who aren’t usually much invested in the series. What sort of effect this will have, I don’t know. But it’s interesting to consider.

I’m just saying the one in ROTJ in particular. Look at it and what it adds to the excitement of that shot. It’s good, sorry.

ZkinandBonez said:

TavorX said:

Kinda weird to think in-universe that the bad guys explicitly call their side the “dark-side.” Paradoxically they don’t believe they are evil but they’re also conceding that they are evil. It makes more sense to stick with monikers like Sith vs Jedi. Like Republicans vs Democrats, either side is going to think the other side is demonizing. Neither would logically say they are evil or morally bankrupt themselves on their side of the fence. It’s not the most attractive way to recruit others. Imagine if Vader didn’t say scary things to Luke like “dark side” and just more things to try to screw with his head such as Obi-Wan being a liar. Saying you’re evil kinda cancels out anything else you say versus just appearing like you believe you’re in the right.

Just because we in the real world often to assume “light vs dark” symbolizes “good vs evil” that doesn’t meant it applies to the SW universe. Also, I’m quite positive there would be plenty of people IRL that would have no issues what so ever with joining the “dark” side. If anything it has an edgy, or even exotic, vibe to it that would appeal to plenty of people.

This, but also it’s very much an ‘ends justify the means’ sort of thing for those who think they can use the dark side and still be in the right. I mean, any imperial would need to have that kind of thinking if they went along with the Death Star. Notably, if you look at when Dooku and Vader goad Anakin and Luke to use the dark side, they’re not really saying ‘be evil,’ they’re more suggesting to them that refusing to use the dark side is a weakness. This of course ties in with Yoda saying the dark side is quicker and more seductive. One could easily posit as well that using the dark side twists one’s perception of right and wrong.

That being said, not every bad guy thinks they aren’t evil. Certainly Palpatine knows he’s evil and revels in it.

ChainsawAsh said:

LexX said:

Both 4 and 5 have had some weird female support cast forcing with the waitress and kinda the widow who was written very blandly, and now this mechanic and the assassin. They’re trying to include women in SW so hard that it’s sad and takes away from what’s actually happening in the series.

Seriously? So what, they aren’t allowed to include women at all, or it’s just forced feminism? Give me a fucking break.

It wasn’t a great episode, but it had nothing to do with the female characters.

Hard not to read that comment as anything but plainly sexist.

FreezingTNT2 said:

@DominicCobb Do you plan on making a similar thread for OT edits to fit the ST or the other way around?

I hadn’t. The reason for this thread is mainly because the PT specifically created a number of continuity errors in the OT. But I suppose the thread isn’t limited to fixing continuity errors, and other ways of connecting the two trilogies are welcome. To that end, it probably wouldn’t be a bad idea for me to change the title of the thread to include the ST, because why not.

ChainsawAsh said:

DominicCobb said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Was very happy to see Tatooine/Mos Eisley treated to match the OOT and not the SE. No evidence of the expanded, busy spaceport we’ve seen since 1997 - that was 100% the sparse backwater of 1977.

Well I hate to say it but I think it’s supposed to seem like a ghost town in a way that contrasts what we saw before. I mean just look at the cantina.

Yes, but we didn’t see the huge, wide streets of the SE devoid of people - we saw the same cramped alleyways of the OOT instead. I didn’t mean “sparse backwater” to mean “devoid of people” so much as I meant it as a description of the town, and to me, the episode is in line with the OOT version, but with fewer inhabitants.

Fair enough, you’re not wrong about that.

I agree that it was one of the weaker episodes, though. Ming Na was wasted.

I’m hoping the tease at the end means there’s some way she might not be dead.

Was I the only one who felt like this one was way off? Early on I was thinking the tone and style was kind of goofy and low rent in a way that reminded me of the animated shows, so I figured it must be Filoni (sure enough was), no offense to him or those shows. I didn’t think Sedaris did a particularly good job and just kind of felt out of place, and was mixed on baby Bobby Cannavale. I also thought they were about a step away from taking the Tatooine winks a little too far, and the tusken outfits seemed straight out of a comic convention. Anyway, point being, it was my least favorite so far.

ChainsawAsh said:

Was very happy to see Tatooine/Mos Eisley treated to match the OOT and not the SE. No evidence of the expanded, busy spaceport we’ve seen since 1997 - that was 100% the sparse backwater of 1977.

Well I hate to say it but I think it’s supposed to seem like a ghost town in a way that contrasts what we saw before. I mean just look at the cantina.

Ronster, see the post right above yours.

Fang Zei said:

DominicCobb said:

Fang Zei said:

doubleofive said:

I’m going to assume any DCP’s are still HD Branch. The use of it for the TROS teaser makes me wonder if Disney can tell the difference.

They only used that for the D23 preview, which only went up online AFAIK and was never sent out to theaters.

It definitely went out to theaters. It played before my IMAX screening of Ad Astra.

That’s curious.

Did it have an MPAA card at the front? Are you sure it wasn’t just part of the ads before the actual trailers?

Definitely was one of the actual trailers. I don’t remember if it had the MPAA card but that’s only because at AMC they often don’t put the cards before trailers.

Fang Zei said:

doubleofive said:

I’m going to assume any DCP’s are still HD Branch. The use of it for the TROS teaser makes me wonder if Disney can tell the difference.

They only used that for the D23 preview, which only went up online AFAIK and was never sent out to theaters.

It definitely went out to theaters. It played before my IMAX screening of Ad Astra.

theprequelsrule said:

DominicCobb said:

The PT sets up a dogma that’s doomed to fail - anger, hate, and fear are all natural human emotions and suppressing them can be dangerous and unhealthy.

Incorrect; the dogma is set up by ESB and followed through in the Prequels!

No I don’t think that is quite right. TESB sets up the delineation. But the PT is where it gets dogmatic and the suppression comes in.

Of course you’re not wrong that one lead to another. I guess you could say they started down the dark path in TESB and it ended up dominating their destiny.

Yes it’s a matter of perspective and definition. There’s a lot of ways gray Jedi would be poorly done, like the one you mention. Which is why my instinct is to bristle at the term.

theprequelsrule said:

SW77 was all about adventure and excitement - about taking risks and accepting outlandish ideas such as The Force. With ESB we get the exact opposite philosophy as expounded by Yoda.

I wouldn’t say they’re opposite philosophies at all, just different layers.

I wouldn’t necessarily say SW is all about adventure and excitement. It’s about breaking out of the comfort of the status quo, about believing in yourself and in causes greater than yourself. It’s a coming of age story, about leaving the safety of home. Taking risks? Sure.

But is TESB anti-risk? It’s anti-recklessness sure, but I’d argue learning to put recklessness in check is a necessary component of risk-taking. The spirit of the first film is still there - “do or do not.” Yoda says a Jedi craves not adventure and excitement, which just means he does not seek it out for the sake of it. Adventure and excitement will come, sure, but patience is important, as is doing the right thing, which is what a Jedi should be craving most of all. TESB is a coming of age story as well, but it’s more about learning responsibility once you’re on your own and making your own choices.

I never liked the idea of a gray Jedi, or at least the kind of gray Jedi that’s an anti-hero who uses all the powers because he’s too cool to follow the rules. But the idea of a “gray” Jedi who does have a strong sense of right and wrong, that’s an attractive idea. The PT sets up a dogma that’s doomed to fail - anger, hate, and fear are all natural human emotions and suppressing them can be dangerous and unhealthy. You can see how this is (poorly communicated) subtext in the PT, in regards to how Anakin’s story unfolds.

I always thought that a potential sequel trilogy would confront these ideas that were floated in the prequels but never fully considered. So far, the two films (well, really TLJ) have actually picked up the thread on this to some extent - the fallibility of the Jedi, the danger/complacency of Jedi pride, the monopoly the Jedi strive to have on the Force. The pieces are in place to come to some sort of resolution for it all in TROS, if they are so inclined. Since ROTJ dropped the ball on Luke’s perspective in regards to Ben and Yoda’s actions, it became fair game to simply have Luke revive the Jedi order as it was. But now Rey is building an explicitly new order. We’ve seen Rey use what could potentially be considered anger in her fights without any condemnation or repercussions. So that could either be integrated into the storyline, or simply ignored as a quirk of choreography/acting. But on the flip, what they’re doing with Kylo’s eternally conflicted persona (never fully light or dark), and his being essentially the other side of Rey’s coin, it would ultimately be kind of surprising if they didn’t explore this idea to some extent.

act on instinct said:

It’s a predictions and expectations thread, none of us are being dishonest about when we’re speaking from anecdotes, if we aren’t giving our perspectives what’s the point of the thread?

Well I guess in fairness I’ve been saying this thread is pointless pretty much since its start. That said, I don’t think anecdotal evidence is a wise way to predict. My prediction would be very different if I was going off anecdotal evidence.

act on instinct said:

Yes it’s some anecdotal

You could pretty much just stop there I think.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Valheru_84 said:

DominicCobb said:

My guess is, aside from the haters online

The Mandalorian & Jedi: Fallen Order show us there are no “haters”, only Star Wars Fans
https://youtu.be/OJ_tFpJy1Uk

Nope, wrong, uh-uh. There are only two camps — haters and True Fans™; there is no overlap, no third or fourth camps. True Fans™ love everything with the Star Wars brand name; True Fans™ love only George Lucas’ six-episode Saga, TCW, and Legends; True Fans™ love only George Lucas’ six-episode Saga and Legends; True Fans™ love only George Lucas’ six-episode Saga; True Fans™ love only the Original Trilogy and everything produced by Disney; True Fans™ love only the Original Original Trilogy; True Fans™ love only ANH & TESB; True Fans™ love only SW '77. Everyone who doesn’t love what True Fans™ love aren’t True Fans™; they’re just haters, and should be regarded with as much disdain and condescension as one can mustre.

Obviously the phrase “true fans” is obnoxious and you’ll get no argument from me there. But “haters” is a useful term.

Shame me all you want but arguably if you’re introducing a SW fan to Trek, the best entry point is the 09 film. Depends on the person though, as always.

RogueLeader said:

I’ve had at least 8-10 people tell me they are going to see it, but you’ve heard the same from pretty much no one. So which of us is right? I don’t know how the movie will do, but I think anecdotes can only take us so far when it comes to predicting blockbuster performance.

I have at least 8-10 people going with me to the 6pm Thursday screening. Which is more than I went with for TFA or TLJ. But I know this has nothing to do with the film’s box office.

I was looking through the list of episodes on Disney+, and maybe it’s just because I’m only remembering the good stuff, but damn was there some good stuff in there. I’m excited to dig back in at some point.