I'll do it if time allows.
Note: It's kind of sad to admit, but I've yet to actually watch TRM...
Tobar said:
I just really hope he reconsiders the editing of Ben's hut. If I could only have one thing from the Purist it would be leaving that scene the way it was originally.
I can't agree with you at all. The re-edited hut scene makes much more sense in terms of the flow of the conversation. It's one of the best parts of ANHR.
For me, there's only one thing wrong with ANHR as is: the music in the Obi-Wan vs. Vader fight. I also think comm chatter would be nice in the additional space shots, but I don't know if it is entirely necessary.
Warbler said:
Darth_ender, would please explain the idea of baptism by proxy and and the idea of doing so to someone already dead? and why someone decided to do this to Anne Frank?
...nine times.
Oliver! 7/10
Cavalcade 6/10
The Greatest Show on Earth 6/10
Wow, watching all the Best Picture winners is not an easy task. Thankfully for me, I only had two left, and they were:
The Best Years of Our Lives 10/10
Wings 9/10
And now I'm done! I've seen all 83 Best Picture winners (84 if you count the Artist)!
Johannus said:
Not to interrupt the Anakin ghost argument too much, but I have a completely unrelated mock up video for everyone to see. Its still got rough effects and no proper sound done yet but thought you might like it.
I really like how this idea is shaping up, but, along with what Ronster said about having the ship explode immediately, I think the shot of Madine spinning in his chair just before he says "may the force be with us" needs to be cut. It slows things down a bit, in my opinion.
TV's Frink said:
Funny clip.
Now, this video gave me and idea for a suggestion. You can take it or leave it, but I think it would be hilarious if the coversation with the librarian went like this:
Librarian: Did you call for assistance?
Obi-Wan: No
*End of scene*
TV's Frink said:
DominicCobb said:
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon 10/10
Blazing Saddles 9/10
The Princess Bride 9/10
Singin' in the Rain 10/10
The Dirty Dozen 9/10
North by Northwest 10/10
Amarcord 9/10
Swing Time 7/10
Office Space 9/10
Hannah and Her Sisters 9/10
Wait...you finally watched something that didn't deserve a 9 or 10?
:p
I have to admit I was wondering if someone was going to notice this.
I'm actually very particular in the films I watch. I make sure that I only view movies I will like.
I only watched Swing Time because it was on the AFI 100 movies list. I didn't think I was going to love it. I didn't.
This all probably sounds pretty weird, but I could go through each movie and explain why I knew I was going to like it, but I don't really want to.
The Concierge said:
I've never really understood the reasoning that Obi-wan and Yoda ought to appear as idealized projections like Hayden-Anakin did. There are obvious crispy and darkish factors affecting Anakin that don't apply to the others.
It would seem established that once you become one with the Force and gain the ability to appear as an apparition, it is restricted as you appeared when you died. Not a problem for Yoda and Obi-wan! They have all their limbs! So either way, unless you want a horrifying vision of a reanimated, disarticulated corpse bidding Luke farewell (which would follow established "canon", and morbidly make the most sense...), there HAS to be an idealized, kind of wish-fulfillment ghost-projection of Anakin.
But which makes the most sense? A vision of what Anakin *could* have been, but never actually was? A kind of mystical plastic surgery? Is this perhaps more vain than the Force should be? Or do you go the route of a vision of what Anakin *has* been, the Force reaching back to the "good man who was destroyed" (debatable though it may be exactly how "good" he really was)? Or is that still the Force appealing to Anakin's vanity?
Personally, I prefer the idea of going back to a younger version of himself. But it's not a slam dunk case by any stretch.
Very well put!
msycamore said:
These listings are all a little silly IMO, it's not even the same film that is going to be screened.
I wonder is Star Wars/ANH still on the 2nd place after Gone With The Wind adjusted for inflation, if you're taking away the SE income?
Yes, it would be.
TheBoost said:
1anakin said:
'Star Wars: Phantom Menace' Crosses $1 Billion Mark at Box Office
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/star-wars-episode-i-phantom-menace-box-office-294680
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/
Don't hate the messenger.
I just cant wait for the good ones to come out. Will Star Wars retake its rightful spot at the top of the all time box office?
Considering worldwide it would have to make $2 billion, I would guess no.
If you're talking about domestic, it would have to make $300 million.
Although, adjusted for inflation, it would only have to make $200 million. That's still a lot. Given, when Star Wars SE was released, it made $235 million adjusted, but I just don't see that happening again.
My guess is it'll make somewhere upwards of $100 million. How much exactly will probably depend on inflation in 2015.
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon 10/10
Blazing Saddles 9/10
The Princess Bride 9/10
Singin' in the Rain 10/10
The Dirty Dozen 9/10
North by Northwest 10/10
Amarcord 9/10
Swing Time 7/10
Office Space 9/10
Hannah and Her Sisters 9/10
My beef with Shaw is that when we see him, he's quite disfigured. He doesn't look like the ghost Shaw. OT watchers would, understandably, be confused if they saw a younger guy when they know Vader was older, but, if Anakin's ghost is moved to the funeral pyre, it would be much more obvious that the ghost is supposed to be Anakin.
Additionally, whenever Anakin (the jedi) is spoken of in the OT, it is, of course, implied that they are talking about someone younger than Vader. If you get my meaning here, Luke/the audience knew that Anakin became Vader when he was younger. They don't know exactly when, but if they saw Hayden, it would be easy to assume that that was Anakin before he turned to the dark side.
My argument for Hayden:
1. At no point in any of the movies does Anakin look like Sebastian Shaw.
2. I think Anakin would want to look like how he did before he went to the dark side/was disfigured.
3. Brings the saga full circle by fitting with the PT.
The argument for Shaw (and why it's a bad one):
1. "Seb Shaw because that's how the original was," this is a fan edit, by nature things will be changed. How things were originally should have no bearing on the decision.
2. "I hate Hayden and the prequels," this is probably the main reason why people don't like the addition of Hayden, but I think it's stupid. To hate a 5 second shot because it reminds you of something you hate is just dumb to me. The shot of ghost Hayden is not the prequels, it's just a shot of ghost Hayden.
3. "The audience/Luke would be confused," this is incorrect. The confusion factor would be the same for both Hayden and Shaw. Like I said before, in none of the SW movies does Anakin look like Shaw. In AOTC and ROTS, Anakin looks like Hayden. So for those who have seen the prequels, there would be no confusion. For those that haven't, seeing Hayden would be just as confusing as seeing Shaw, which is to say, not confusing at all. It is VERY easy to infer who ghost Anakin is supposed to be, especially the ghost were to be placed at the funeral pyre instead.
So as you see, Hayden is the clear choice. Making the ghost Hayden, however, would upset a great many people. This is one of the many reasons why I think Anakin's ghost should not be in the film at all. Other reasons are:
1. I know Qui-Gon was able to discover the power beyond the grave, but for Kenobi and Yoda they needed to learn. It almost makes sense that they could have taught Anakin after he was dead, but then why didn't they teach the other dead Jedi? I feel I need to go with the PT explanation for Force ghosts. In the OT, Vader being a ghost is practically a continuity error. Many people thought that when Jedi die, they just become a ghost. This can't be correct though, because Obi-Wan says that he will become more powerful than Vader can possibly imagine. So Vader being a ghost is a little bit of a head scratcher. It is kind of an unexplained moment. Aalenfae said that when he's editing ROTS, he tries to get rid of anything that isn't explained in the movie. So I would do the same here.
2. The biggest reason why I'm against it is that if Anakin doesn't turn into a ghost, it makes his redemption much more bittersweet. When ROTJ ends, Vader's dead and you're actually sad. Then, oh wait a minute, ROTJ is a happy movie, now Vader's a ghost too! Vader was really evil at one time. I feel there needs to be a consequence for that. Having him be dead, and unable to find life after life, would be a much more poignant end to the saga. I think that the Star Wars series is too serious to simply cast the over-happy ending off as part of the fantasy. My biggest beef with ROTJ (and I'm not alone here) is that the movie is way too happy. Vader is EVIL for almost 4 movies. Consequence is necessary. That's why they killed him. Also, it gives the final conversation between Luke and Vader MUCH MORE meaning. I mean honestly, think of that conversation and then think about how Luke and Vader can talk again whenever they want.
In the end though, I think the best compromise would be to put Hayden Anakin at the funeral pyre, only if he disappears shortly thereafter, signifying that he was redeemed, but is not allowed to remain among the living.
darth_ender said:
I just want to make a point here. We have already voted to put the funeral pyre last. This means that Ben and Yoda (and possibly Anakin) will be seen before that, rather than after (or perhaps we'll just have to cut that part, but hear me out). I really feel pretty strongly that if we want to see the Force ghosts, part of the conclusion would involve putting Anakin at the pyre scene. The reason for this is because it leaves Luke ready for closure. If he sees the ghosts including his father, then burns his father's armor and/or body, it seems like he's already had the closure and the scene is redundant. If we simply show Ben and Yoda, he feels some closure but still feels some emotional weight. But at the fire when he sees his father, he and the audience feel satisfied. That's the way I see things, and I want to put in that plug before the voting gets too far along.
For the record, I voted for removing the Anakin ghost altogether, but my second choice would be Anakin at the pyre. (And it would be Hayden, not Shaw [Sorry])
Drive 10/10
Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. I think it might have actually been one of those rare "perfect" films.
Just had a thought: what if Dooku doesn't electrocute Anakin, Anakin just trips and falls and that's why he lying on the ground while Kenobi and Dooku fight?
Nosferatu 10/10
Grand Hotel 10/10
Blow-Up 8/10
The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari 10/10
Three Days of the Condor 9/10
Syriana 9/10
Vampyr 9/10
Z 10/10
The Purple Rose of Cairo 9/10
Giant 10/10
I can honestly say I like everything Star Wars to some extent.
And @walking carpet, I was born a long time after 82, but I still grew up on the OOT, and I love far more than anything else that's Star Wars.
DominicCobb said:
TV's Frink said:
That's one of my all-time favorite Python bits...but not sure how to translate it to this edit. I don't think there's enough footage to do it in the scene you suggest, but maybe in a different scene?
That was just the first scene that came to mind, but I'm sure there's others.
You could use reaction shots of Boba inside Slave 1 looking at Obi-Wan. Then Obi-Wan could turn on his lightsaber and engage with Jango, and you could make Boba have a delayed reaction and dub a shot of him saying "look dad" while he's in Slave 1 (so he's never outside). Or you could do the super-battle droids walking down the hallway towards Windu, or Yoda walking towards Dooku.
TV's Frink said:
That's one of my all-time favorite Python bits...but not sure how to translate it to this edit. I don't think there's enough footage to do it in the scene you suggest, but maybe in a different scene?
That was just the first scene that came to mind, but I'm sure there's others.
I have a suggestion for Kamino. When Obi-Wan runs through the door to confront Jango outside, could it be something like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJoM7V54T-c (0:40-1:20)
aalenfae said:
As long as people are posting cuts and such, I thought I'd post what I just finished last night - a mockup for Anakin's ghost appearing personally to Luke, and not with Obi-Wan and Yoda:
http://vimeo.com/36883170
PERFECT.
What if the twist was "I didn't kill your father, Obi-Wan did," and that was actually true?
Hayden's "god that's hot" from the blooper reel would be perfect for Revenge of the Ridiculousness.