DominicCobb

Nullifying the entire EU seems unlikely. Note that the fact that the new EU books are part of the new EU seems arbitrary. They could have easily been stuff that was released before the reevaluation of the EU. 

I think they just don't want to step on their toes with the new films. They're releasing a blanket statement: the story told in the EU post-ROTJ will not be the same story told in the new films. They want to get this out of the way sooner rather than later, so as to not disappoint fans when info about these films gets out.

I expect clarification as to the rest of the EU as these films solidify.

@impscum: Yeah, they can still suck, I just see it as less likely this way.

@naysayers: I understand that creative freedom =/= quality product and that creative constraints can = quality product, but for me, at least, the excitement of these new films is that the possibilities are endless. The PT was the epitome of creatively constrained and look how that turned out. Not saying that's a great example, but still. Star Wars is a vast and beautiful universe, and it's exciting that the ST filmmakers have the creative ability to explore it however they want.

Also, and maybe it's just me, but for me, the established post-OT EU is silly. I don't want silly constraints on these new films.

I could never really believe what the books and Wookieepedia told me.

I can't wait to see what my favorite characters have actually been up to. It'll all be a surprise. It'll be all new to us. I'm excited.

I don't see how this is anything but good. All I care about, really, is the new films. If they had to fit with old canon, that would have sucked, plain and simple. No creative freedom there. This is much better.

And new EU stories will not be 110% canon. The thing they're saying about every new thing having the same continuity for the first time is just them making the new EU seem better than the old EU. I imagine them having as much bearing on the new films as the old EU had on the old films.

And anyway, old EU stories will still be in print (they're not rewriting history like someone we know), and new content can and might still take inspiration from them.

Wins all around, I think.

This is what I expected/hoped. Glad they're doing this.

Fish?

Google: "site:originaltrilogy.com PPPPPPPPPPP"

Hats off for not only taking one of the lurker suggestion names, but for choosing probably the most random one.

I was going to post the same. PPPPPPPPPPP, well done.

TV's Frink said:

How about pppppppppppp?

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 Hmm.

Seems rad to me. And First Class is the best X-Men film.

Soundtracks are some of the best music out there. I've been listening to them for ages. The first one I ever had was The Phantom Menace, which is absolutely amazing. Disregard the film, that soundtrack is great. Me and my friends were randomly listening to it this past weekend, actually. Still good.

Of course now I own all of the Star Wars soundtracks, and they're all fantastic. I firmly believe Star Wars is the greatest film score of all time, and the AFI agrees with me. I can never get enough of that. Empire's up there too.

John Williams has to be my favorite composer ever. I also have all the Indy soundtracks. Last year I was given a vinyl of E.T. (another one of my all time favorites). It looks like this:

Since then I've been semi-obsessed with buying vinyls firstly because they look great framed, secondly because I can convert them to MP3s, and thirdly because they're really cheap if you know where to get them.

In the past year, I have bought the following soundtracks on vinyl (with prices ranging anywhere from $.99 to $6.99):

Superman, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Star Wars (because why not), Amadeus, Barry Lyndon, A Clockwork Orange (actually my brother got this for me when he was in Scotland), Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, The Sting, New York New York, Julius Caesar, and Z. 

All great.

Also, on CD, I have over the years amassed a wide variety including, but not limited to:

2001: A Space Odyssey, Boogie Nights, The Master, all of The Lord of the Rings, both of The Hobbit, a lot of Hans Zimmer stuff like all of The Dark Knight trilogy, Inception, Man of Steel, and Pirates of the Caribbean.

My second favorite composer is probably Ennio Morricone, so I got some of his stuff like The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. An easy way of collecting good Morricone music is getting soundtracks to Quentin Tarantino films. I have Kill Bill, Inglourious Basterds, and Django Unchained. I also have Pulp Fiction, but that's Morricone-less. 

I'm also a big fan of Bernard Herrman, but I don't own any of his stuff (been looking for vinyls). I do listen to him regularly on Pandora and Youtube, though.

Anyway, that's all I'll say for now.

^This should help.

Which one lets me boink your mother?

What list is this?

Wow. Bookmarked.

Beard would be nice for previously stated reasons and to differentiate from old Indy, but I was hoping Luke would have a beard, and I'm not sure if I'm okay with both of them.

Also this might not be from the Star Wars set. I don't think hey've begun filming with actors yet, honestly.

SilverWook said:

DominicCobb said:

THX 1138 is definitely not lost. I watched the original on-demand a couple years ago. I believe it was standard definition, but still.

 You think you could track that down? Even an SD version might be better than the dodgy Laserdisc master that's caused the preservation project more than a few headaches.

Hmm, I wouldn't know how. I saw it almost three years ago now on Comcast On Demand in the free movies section, and they rotate stuff in and out of that. 

Quality wasn't great but it was probably better than Laserdisc, though this is coming from someone who's never seen a Laserdisc.

Merry Christmas! 

kk650 said:

DominicCobb said:

kk650 said:

doubleofive said:

I never imagined that Ady restoring something back to the original would draw so much ire.

*thinks about the Boba Fett Accent Debate*

Nevermind.

Not so much ire as uncomprehension as to why some people cannot accept and are not willing to entertain even the possibility that a change from how something was originally in the Star Wars Original Trilogy could actually be better, like its impossible that they made mistakes in the original shooting of the films or simply ran out of time to get everything as they would have liked which is the most likely case.

On the contrary it seems like you are not willing to entertain the idea that restoring something to the original version might be better. I'm not the type of guy who thinks everything should be restored, hell, I think I've questioned before if this project is trying to be a preservation (can't remember for what reason, probably colors). But is it so hard to think that ady and me and others might just think that the ESB framing is better?

Also, this wasn't a mistake. Kersh, the DP, and the set crew knew exactly what they were doing when they extended the cockpit and framed the shot the way they did. "Ran out of time when they were shooting"? Are you kidding me? This shot would have been planned before shooting even began. If any film ran out of time it was ANH.

Take a look again at those two cockpit shots again, from ANH and ESB. What's been changed is the set (which is better, by the way, more detailed and undoubtedly more expensive), and the framing, ever so slightly. Maybe you can see more of the window, but you know that the window's curved, right? It's not just perpendicular? Don't you think they knew what they were doing when they framed the shot? Also, it looks to me like you can see more of the curve in the ANH shot. It's just better lit in ESB. Another thing that's changed is Han and Chewie are farther apart. This is obviously to give space where we can see Leia and 3PO more clearly.

Finally, and probably the most important point, the cropped shot is of lower quality. That should be the first, last, and only reason you need to accept restoring it back.

If this doesn't get through to you, then whatever, so be it. But accept that this is what ady is doing and move on with it.

When I said they ran out of time, I was suggesting that they may not have had time to carefully review the shots they had to see whether inconvenient things were appearing in the corners, as has happened in this case IMHO.

I am very much open to the idea that the original is better. If I was not open to that fact, would I have replaced Jedi Rocks with Lapti Nek or replaced Hayden Christensen with Sebastian Shaw in my Return of the Jedi Semi-Specialised Edition? I am not seeing that same openmindedness in the other direction from some people here though. I can't remember the last time I read a post here apart from myself giving credit to GL for one of the good changes he made to the Special Edition, the focus is always on what he did wrong.

As you say, the edge of the window in the top left corner is better lit in the uncropped ESB frame, making it much more noticable than in the Star Wars frame, where it is in shadow. That it is so noticable is the whole problem, which is why it needed to be cropped IMHO. They should have lit it so it was in shadow and wasn't visible like with Star Wars. Framing trumps detail every time for me, we'll have to agree to disagree there.

People will always get through to me because I listen and am willing to engage with other people and their ideas. All I ask is that others are willing to do the same and can accept that not everything GL changed/added to the Special Editions was bad. I'll leave it at that, I've expressed my opinion I don't want to derail this thread any further, this is Adywan's project so of course he has the final say. He should try to be a bit more respectful of the opinion of others though.

I know what you mean by running out of time, it's just not possible that was the case. No shot or framing of shots is haphazard. If you look at the storyboard for that scene I'm sure the shot looks the same. 

This site being devoted to the original trilogy should tip you off that many will not like any changes that George made. But we who do like some of George's changes are not constantly talking about them, because there is no reason to bring them up. Remember ady is using the Blu-ray as a source and is keeping many changes. There's just no reason to discuss those.

That's your opinion and I respect that. I'll stop now as well, there's nothing more to be said. We've stated our peace.

kk650 said:

doubleofive said:

I never imagined that Ady restoring something back to the original would draw so much ire.

*thinks about the Boba Fett Accent Debate*

Nevermind.

Not so much ire as uncomprehension as to why some people cannot accept and are not willing to entertain even the possibility that a change from how something was originally in the Star Wars Original Trilogy could actually be better, like its impossible that they made mistakes in the original shooting of the films or simply ran out of time to get everything as they would have liked which is the most likely case.

On the contrary it seems like you are not willing to entertain the idea that restoring something to the original version might be better. I'm not the type of guy who thinks everything should be restored, hell, I think I've questioned before if this project is trying to be a preservation (can't remember for what reason, probably colors). But is it so hard to think that ady and me and others might just think that the ESB framing is better?

Also, this wasn't a mistake. Kersh, the DP, and the set crew knew exactly what they were doing when they extended the cockpit and framed the shot the way they did. "Ran out of time when they were shooting"? Are you kidding me? This shot would have been planned before shooting even began. If any film ran out of time it was ANH.

Take a look again at those two cockpit shots again, from ANH and ESB. What's been changed is the set (which is better, by the way, more detailed and undoubtedly more expensive), and the framing, ever so slightly. Maybe you can see more of the window, but you know that the window's curved, right? It's not just perpendicular? Don't you think they knew what they were doing when they framed the shot? Also, it looks to me like you can see more of the curve in the ANH shot. It's just better lit in ESB. Another thing that's changed is Han and Chewie are farther apart. This is obviously to give space where we can see Leia and 3PO more clearly.

Finally, and probably the most important point, the cropped shot is of lower quality. That should be the first, last, and only reason you need to accept restoring it back.

If this doesn't get through to you, then whatever, so be it. But accept that this is what ady is doing and move on with it.

^Ryan's got the best points.

Disney doesn't need Vader to sell this movie. You know what's a more iconic image than Vader? The Star Wars logo. Boom. That's all they need.

What Disney's primary goal should be is to make sure that this film is good. If it's bad, and they keep making bad Star Wars movies, the brand will die. People will stop seeing the movies. The only way to keep high revenue with their plan of Marvel-esque yearly releases is to keep the quality high. They almost certainly understand this.

Proof that selling LFL to Disney was the best thing that happened to Star Wars in the last three decades.

TV's Frink said:

I prefer my fish with chips.

 Same.

adywan said:

Something that really bugged me about the DVD/Blu-Ray releases of the Original Trilogy ( apart from the messed up colour pallet of course) was the re-framing/ cropping of all the wide shots inside the Millennium Falcon's cockpit. This was something that started to appear in a few shots in the 1997 SE's, but was further changed upon the release of the DVD's. Almost every wide shot inside the cockpit was heavily cropped.

Now many may not have even noticed this, but to me and many others, it stuck out like a sore thumb. Well, not any more......

I have been able to restore these shots to their original framing in glorious HD. Luckily i didn't have to use those low quality Bonus DVDs that were released in 2006, or any of the other various home video releases, to restore the framing. (proof in my next comment below)

So.... Click on the link to go to the comparison page...

Main image is the Official Blu-Ray and place the cursor over the image to see the restored version.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/70730

And the comparison between the GOUT and Revisited:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/70735

Holy shit, though. 

I take issue with that comic. They depict the OT purist to someone who cannot accept change. We should all know why that is extremely reductive, and not even necessarily true. I don't mind change, I'm the type of guy who could care less if a film adaptation ignores the source material entirely. It's just that the original versions should be available, if for nothing else than historical purposes. Also the changes are dumb (note how we're the type of fans who most enjoy fan edits).

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