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#794504
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Star Wars: Episode VII to be directed by J.J. Abrams **NON SPOILER THREAD**
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It's not just plot points, it's locations, character looks, sets, costumes, shots, dialogue.  I don't even want to see pictures. I wish I hadn't seen the first two trailers. Honestly, if I could have walked in knowing ONLY that it was Star Wars Episode VII, that would have been ideal. As is, all though I've avoided a lot, I still feel like the mystery of what happens 30 years after Return of the Jedi is sort of gone, which is a little disappointing. I was hoping to go into the movie knowing nothing at all but that just ended up not being possible (damn this franchise for being so popular!).

I've become resilient because I started to really tire of having trailers spoil. Of course it's not just spoiling, it'd be like I'm watching the film and I'll wonder when a scene I saw in the trailer will show up. Just found that really annoying. Avoiding Star Wars stuff is especially hard because it's Star Wars. I read the junior novelization of ROTS before I saw it which was probably my peak spoiling a movie before seeing it. Hopefully I haven't spoiled TFA too much for myself already. 

I'll be cutting down on my internet usage soon. Once it gets closer to the release of the film some serious spoils are going to get out. I can wait two months. I've already waited just about my entire life.

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#794136
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Star Wars: Episode VII to be directed by J.J. Abrams **NON SPOILER THREAD**
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Fandango wasn't supposed to put tickets on sale until halftime, but they put them on sale like an hour ago and now the site's crashed and I don't have tickets!

Went on the app and it said everything was sold out! But I called my theater and they said tickets won't be online until halftime (guess they're one of the few places doing it right). 

So now I've just got to stay on target...

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#793619
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Star Wars Episode III: Labyrinth Of Evil (Released)
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Hal 9000 said:

I used the 'plot to overthrow the Chancellor' scene in v3, so yes. It lets us see that Obi-Wan is in the know and involved with this stuff, giving a little more weight to his later dialogue about the Chancellor being evil and getting defensive about the idea of taking over the Republic as Anakin sees it. 

Oh cool. Never checked out V3. Had a feeling it wouldn't be the last version.

The other scene you mention needs some FX wizardry, and would require careful editing of later scenes between Palpaying and Anakin, so I never really thought about using it. Upon reviewing it, it seems very unfinished and "on-set," with poor line deliveries. I think they did well to cut it and spread its pieces across other scenes. 

Thanks for the question!

 Fair enough, I haven't seen that scene in a while so I trust your judgement. 

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#793546
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What is Luke's goal in ROTJ?
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Luke throwing down his lightsaber might be the best part of ROTJ. He's finally learned the lesson from the cave. "I am a Jedi, like my father before me." Chills.

I do have a few problems with his arc. First of all, he enters the movie as a fully fledged Jedi, despite not completing his training. Secondly, I wish he had stronger feelings about not being told the truth about his father; as is, Obi-wan shows up and he's just like "okay." Thirdly, there's never really a moment where we feel like he could actually turn to the dark side, and, lastly, his confidence in Vader's goodness is not at all justified.

Not sure about his goal but the fact that Yoda and Ben seem to be so intent on Luke facing Vader is never really explained, and I don't know if there is any good reason behind that other than Vader is "evil" and must be defeated. I feel like there was a lot of room for depth there that was sort of glossed over. 

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#793002
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Anakin and Obi-Wan Comic series announced
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joefavs said:

It would be neat if the new EU manages to make significant strides towards redeeming the prequel era.

Yes it would be, though in fairness the old EU already did that.

It's probably no coincidence that this will be out until January. Despite the vitriol many hold towards the PT era, there's no reason for me to automatically hate any thing set in that period. There's potential for a good story there, I'll keep an eye on it. I still haven't read any of the new Marvel stuff so I can't guess on the quality.

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#792658
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What if TFA is awful?
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danny_boy said:

So that little clip in TFA trailer where hundreds of StormTroopers are assembled together ......reeks of the thousands of  Orcs from Lord Of The Rings, the Agent Smiths in the Matrix, The Chitari and Ultrons from the 2 Avengers movies ....and yes the clones and droid armies from the prequels. 

Weird, it reminds me of something else.

It definitely does not resemble anything from the OT.....the technology simply did not exist to convey thousands and thousands of troopers in attendance together(apart for that brief matte painting in ROTJ on the death star when the emperor arrives).

 

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#792654
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<strong>STAR WARS: REBELS</strong> (animated tv series) - a general discussion thread
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Hal 9000 said:

Leoj said:

New trailer: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfeWNZqVYsE

 Ventress? Really? 

No matter how many times I tried, I just couldn't get into the Clone Wars 2008 series. I'd prefer Rebels avoid dredging up stale remnants of it. I still don't like the idea of previously unheard of Inquisitors doing the dirty work Vader should be doing, either. I hope Ezra gets killed eventually. 

I'll tune in and I'm sure there'll be plenty to enjoy. I'm glad that so far the story has been relatively isolated from the "big" events. But I can't help but feel that it is sort of gumming up the continuity by having all these tie-ins and Forrest Gump type encounters.

But you know that's not actually Ventress, just a Ventress type. I'm like 5 seasons into TCW and it's still not really clinking (occasionally it does, only occasionally). I was never a fan of Ventress but it's no really her so maybe it'll be okay. I love Rebels way more than TCW so I do hope they don't muck things up.

It's tricky thing, the Inquisitors. Based on the films there shouldn't be any Jedi. But there is some logic to it, and it made for some good TV last season. The problem is, who can face a Jedi? Based on the films it should be Vader, but based on the films Vader should be able to eliminate them fairly early on. That does not make for good TV. Are there other types of villains that Jedi can face? Yes. But do they have lightsabers? No. It's not ideal, the Inquisitors, but I know why they're doing it so I'll let it slide.

Also, Ashoka, Kanan, and Ezra should all be dead by the show's end. Will that happen? Of course not. Should it? Absolutely. 

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#792649
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What if TFA is awful?
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I was about to make a counterpoint - then I remembered we're arguing about the quality of a movie that hasn't come out yet. Hmm.

It's funny because people are claiming that Abrams is just a rip-off artist who won't add anything new to the franchise and that is film will just be a shallow rehash of the OT. At the same time, people are claiming that Abrams has a style that is inconsistent with the OT and that he will not respect the source and that the film won't fit into the franchise. So some complain there won't be anything new while some complain there won't be anything old. The truth is that none of us will know until December so there's no use complaining about it now.

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#792560
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What if TFA is awful?
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danny_boy said:

DominicCobb said:

Bingowings said:

Ridley Scott is still a strong visual director but he allowed himself to be associated with a script mangled to death by Lindelof.

It's interesting that every time Lindelof is involved with something people always blame him for its perceived failures. If I remember from what I read, the main issues people have with Prometheus were Scott induced issues, a lot of them in the editing phase.

Not that it really matters in regards to TFA. Lindelof has nothing to do with that.

I like Super8 and Cloverfield but his first Star Trek is as bad/good as any TNG movie and the second one is truly painful in places. He didn't write the screenplay but he allowed himself to be closely associated with it. He is allowing himself to be closely associated with TFA.

But he wrote the screenplay to TFA, he didn't just allow himself to be closely associated with it. The challenge of directing a Star Wars movie vs. the challenge of directing a Star Trek movie is completely different. Sorry Trekkies, but the Star Wars one is a bigger challenge. Abrams is not a Trekkie - that's why they brought him on as director, so that he could reimagine the franchise and make the film engaging for everyone (I'm not saying that's what the film needed, but certainly it was what the execs wanted and it worked). Abrams is a huge Star Wars fan. That's exactly what TFA needs. Someone who loves the franchise (read: the good parts of the franchise) and who understands that if he effs this movie up he won't just be disappointing the whole world but himself too. Hence why he threw away the original, Lucas-story script and wrote a new one from scratch with Kasdan.

 You are correct to say that they are different assignments but as the director/producer/screen writer(who is inheriting a franchise) --you have to stay true to the source.

Abrahams veered way off course to supposedly make Star Trek more popular. And there in lies the rub....Star Trek did not need to be made more popular and it did not need a new movie or story-it had had plenty of both already.

  Star Wars does not need to be made more popular  or to have a  good story/movie --it has had plenty of both already.

You do not have to stay true to the source. There's no rule that says that. There are plenty of films that have succeeded by not staying true to the source. The producers of Star Trek 09 decided that it would be a reboot, so, by nature, only staying true to the source in some ways. Not Abrams's decision. 

The good news for you is that it seems like the goal for TFA is stay true to the OT.

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#792552
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What if TFA is awful?
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Bingowings said:

Ridley Scott is still a strong visual director but he allowed himself to be associated with a script mangled to death by Lindelof.

It's interesting that every time Lindelof is involved with something people always blame him for its perceived failures. If I remember from what I read, the main issues people have with Prometheus were Scott induced issues, a lot of them in the editing phase.

Not that it really matters in regards to TFA. Lindelof has nothing to do with that.

I like Super8 and Cloverfield but his first Star Trek is as bad/good as any TNG movie and the second one is truly painful in places. He didn't write the screenplay but he allowed himself to be closely associated with it. He is allowing himself to be closely associated with TFA.

But he wrote the screenplay to TFA, he didn't just allow himself to be closely associated with it. The challenge of directing a Star Wars movie vs. the challenge of directing a Star Trek movie is completely different. Sorry Trekkies, but the Star Wars one is a bigger challenge. Abrams is not a Trekkie - that's why they brought him on as director, so that he could reimagine the franchise and make the film engaging for everyone (I'm not saying that's what the film needed, but certainly it was what the execs wanted and it worked). Abrams is a huge Star Wars fan. That's exactly what TFA needs. Someone who loves the franchise (read: the good parts of the franchise) and who understands that if he effs this movie up he won't just be disappointing the whole world but himself too. Hence why he threw away the original, Lucas-story script and wrote a new one from scratch with Kasdan.

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#792550
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What if TFA is awful?
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Anchorhead said:

I'm surprised at the doubt some fans are expressing, particularly around here. The very reason so many prequel & SE fans are pre-judging it (non-Lucas film) is the very reason I would assume people here would be optimistic.

I've never made any secret of the fact that I own, like, and on occasion watch only the 1977 original Star Wars.  I all but abandoned the franchise thirty years ago, EU excepted. Even then, that was only after several people here made me give some of it a read (thank you again, by the way). 

However, everything that caused me to abandon ship all those years ago has now been eliminated. With the restored franchise we now have a director with a proven track record of quality films. In just over 20 years, Abrams has an impressive record of success and recognition in film and TV, both critical and commercial.

He has successfully handled the restoration of another culturally significant franchise which had long since lost its way (Star Trek).  He also very clearly understands the type of story, character, and tone of film that connected with audiences in the late 70s\early 80s, as well as how to continue it (Super 8).

His casting choices have also been amazing.  If you can successfully recast Kirk, Spock, & McCoy, you can recast anyone.  He's obviously a fan of Star Wars and from what we've seen so far it shows in his aesthetic, his set design, and his pacing (or sometimes lack of it, which is equally important).

To add a cherry on top, Kasdan is the screen writer.  The very person who gave us what many people consider to be the best film of the franchise, not to mention the third Star Wars film and Raiders Of The Lost Ark. Second cherry; they've gone back to the original McQuarrie art to guide the visual design.

There are plenty of people saying things like "I learned my lesson in 1999. I was tremendously let down with Phantom".  How could you not have been?  Nothing had changed since Return other than Lucas having removed anyone who didn't parrot his every thought.  We'd seen how Lucas had tampered with the originals, and we'd witnessed him continually lying about the franchise while attempting to revise history.

Here we are 15 years later and all that made Phantom terrible has been removed and a great deal of what spoke to us 30 years ago has been returned.  Not the least of which is the original cast, who have nothing but praise for all this is turning out to be. 

If you have Harrison Ford fully engaged and complimentary, arguably one of the most outspoken critics of the original trilogy and director, you've no doubt moved the franchise back to solid ground.

For me, a fan who jumped ship a long time ago, what I've seen the past year is light years better than anything post-Empire.

Great post. 

It's an unpopular opinion, I know, but I enjoy Star Trek 09 the most of all the Trek films. I don't care if you guys don't, too bad. I will most likely enjoy TFA, too. What if it's awful? I don't know. We'll find out in a couple months (!) I guess.

Also, I would encourage all the people decrying Abrams's proclivity for camera shake and lens flare to watch the trailers for TFA again.