DominicCobb

StarkillerAG said:

ZaneFlare92 said:

One weird sense of continuity not followed I’ve noticed at all my viewings, is no fade to black at the end credits just a cut to black. It felt like no one at Lucasfilm didn’t think of that despite it being a way it always been done from the originals, special editions, prequels, 7, 8 and the spin offs. Then again this film had very little thought or care put into it but that’s a different topic. I know it’s a strange nit pic, its the credits. It’s just when your when your use to something ending some way for years and the supposed last episode in the Skywalker saga does a cut to black, it’s like Porky Pig not saying “That’s All Folks.” at the end of Looney Tunes. Now it may have been fixed for home release I won’t know til the 31’st, but I just thought I throw that out there.

What are you talking about? The end of the movie had a circular wipe into the credits, just like every other Star Wars movie. I don’t know what you mean with this “fade to black” or “cut to black” stuff.

I assume he means at the very end of the credits?

I like it, but I think it should have been like Episode VII, and then went they went back and renamed ANH it should have been Episode V.

Broom Kid said:

Also, I like the idea of, if you’re going to use tracked/older music, finding alternate variations on that music as performed by other orchestras. It kind of neutralizes the sort of “pulled out of it” aspect that tracked music can lend to an edit. “Oh, that’s just music from X movie” becomes “hey…wow, wait a minute.”

I understand where you’re coming from completely. Thing is, TROS already has a LOT of music in it that was tracked from other films, most of the time in places people wouldn’t even notice. My plans for music additions should be pretty subtle stuff, I think.

Also, I believe someone’s posted a version of the Death Star duel that has the concert version of Duel of the Fates mixed in and it works REALLY well. I can’t remember where I saw it here though. Maybe there are alternate performances of it that could work just as well, or maybe better due to it not being so immediately recognizable to fans.

Yeah, this one?

R2Poodoo said:

I loved the tv spot that used Duel of the Fates so I took a stab at recutting the song to fit the first section of Rey and Kylo’s Duel. Did some color correction as well.

https://vimeo.com/397732003

Password: fanedit

It’s quite good so I’m definitely considering it. These were my thoughts from that thread: “I was against this but I actually think this works pretty well. I’d be worried about it seeming like it comes out of nowhere in context, but maybe you could tease it in the preceding scene (and maybe even the Force duel as well). One thing I’d do personally to differentiate it is use the instrumental only version, especially as choral pieces are less common in the ST scores.”

Here’s the thing about the opening, I get what you’re all saying. My thought is I’d like to see it in action. I can see why cutting out scene jumping would improve the pacing even though it’s reducing the runtime. I’m just not entirely confident that’d for sure be the case without seeing it first.

StarkillerAG said:

DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

idir_hh said:

Any ideas on how to keep Ben alive?
“as I once fell, so will the last Skywalker” is depressingly anticlimactic considering the title of the film.

2. Ben has no consequences for healing Rey, matching how the power was shown the previous times it was used.

I mean, that wouldn’t match how it was used before, at least not the first time. In this scenario you’d want to cut out Rey clutching her hand after she healed the snake and her saying that she transferred some of her life to it. I feel like the people surprised by Ben’s death must have missed this, for me I knew right away when he climbed out of the pit what was going to happen.

What I meant with “matching the other times” is that Rey never seems to be affected by healing other people. She didn’t seem any weaker when she healed Ben’s fatal wound. I agree that it doesn’t match Rey’s description though.

Well like I said you’d need to cut out her clutching her hand after healing the snake as well. She does seem to be affected by it there.

I think Option 1 is by far the best, and someone on YouTube already posted a rough edit of it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQYXtnsjsf0

I like the idea, but I wonder if it could be executed well. Even in that video, the reused shots are somewhat obvious.

Personally I don’t think that works at all and I don’t really see the point.

Could you be a bit more constructive? What don’t you like about it, and why don’t you see the point of keeping Ben alive?

I mean, same as you said. The reused shots are obvious, I don’t think it work. I also don’t see the point of this solution specifically, not keeping Ben alive in general.

idir_hh said:

DominicCobb said:
Personally I don’t really mind that it doesn’t look like Mustafar, just because it’s not mentioned at all, so it almost doesn’t matter. I keep trying to think of a way to just start the movie with Kylo on the bridge of a star destroyer (from the TLJ deleted scenes), then someone says off camera his ship is ready, then we see his TIE flying to Vader’s castle (using RO footage). My problem is, besides the tough VFX work, what happens once he gets there? Ideally you’d just have him go in and take the wayfinder, but when he gets the wayfinder in TROS he’s outside and all dirty and shit, so that footage wouldn’t work.

You can have Kylo’s Tie fly by Vaders’ castle and then cut to him slaughtering the settlers.

I worry though that in that case the difference in the look of Mustafar would be stark if you put them together.

AbramPT said:

DominicCobb said:

I’ve thought about it quite a bit and I think I’m going to move the Falcon’s mission to after Rey’s intro, training, and pep talk with Leia (“Never underestimate a droid”).

This is a great idea! I made a quick personal edit and it plays pretty well. Since we haven’t been introduced to the falcon yet in this cut, I feel like it’s (unfortunately) helpful to cut out Connix’s line with Leia if you go this route.

What’s the line again? Isn’t it like they haven’t reported back yet? Maybe doesn’t make the most sense but arguably it makes going from that scene to the Falcon feel natural (again, I’m pretty sure this is where the scene was originally placed).

LOVE that it transitions from Palpatine to Rey rather than the crew on the Falcon.

Yeah I feel like that’s important. In a film like Star Wars you have to be careful in how you transition from storyline to storyline. How the first act of TLJ is structured is a good example to look at. Going from Palpatine to Rey right after Rey is mentioned just makes more sense in terms of flow and keeps things focused on that main conflict to start out. I only worry about how the literal transition will work (in terms of music and visuals).

StarkillerAG said:

idir_hh said:

Any ideas on how to keep Ben alive?
“as I once fell, so will the last Skywalker” is depressingly anticlimactic considering the title of the film.

2. Ben has no consequences for healing Rey, matching how the power was shown the previous times it was used.

I mean, that wouldn’t match how it was used before, at least not the first time. In this scenario you’d want to cut out Rey clutching her hand after she healed the snake and her saying that she transferred some of her life to it. I feel like the people surprised by Ben’s death must have missed this, for me I knew right away when he climbed out of the pit what was going to happen.

3. Cut Ben rising out of the pit, but add him to the Tatooine scene to confirm he survived the fall.

I don’t think you’d want to cut Ben climbing out of the pit. As well, I think you’d have to have him on Tatooine even if you don’t have him die after healing Rey.

I think Option 1 is by far the best, and someone on YouTube already posted a rough edit of it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQYXtnsjsf0

I like the idea, but I wonder if it could be executed well. Even in that video, the reused shots are somewhat obvious.

Personally I don’t think that works at all and I don’t really see the point.

RogueLeader said:

This sounds good. I think you could at least play around with starting the film with Kylo already on his way to Exegol. Either starting with the shot of Kylo’s ship flying to the edge of the nebula, or pan down to the nebula as Kylo jumps out of it and flies towards the surface of Exegol.

The fact that we don’t have any extra deleted scenes of Mustafar, or the fact it doesn’t even look like Mustafar, makes me lean toward just removing it and allows the film to not start on an action scene for a change.

I was really hoping we’d get the Hux/Pryde and Oracle scenes for Mustafar to flesh out that section (so that you could hypothetically push Exegol and Palpatine to later on as in earlier cuts of the film). Now I’m not quite sure what to do. I’m reticent to cut too much out of a film that already feels cut to the bone, and especially in a sequence that feels particularly that way. I also feel like they didn’t really want to start with an action scene either, so that’s why we get this sort of montage-y bit (that in my mind gives the sensation of a larger montage where we see him searching and conquering other planets that we just don’t see) where it’s not really about the action. I fear just starting out the film on Exegol because Palpatine’s entrance is such a big whammy you really need to build up to it (plus finding Exegol is the plot of the movie so I think it needs to seem somewhat challenging to get to). That’s why putting him in the crawl feels so weird. Now that I think about it I almost wonder if there needs to be a more overt tease in the crawl like saying “dark secret” or some such.

Personally I don’t really mind that it doesn’t look like Mustafar, just because it’s not mentioned at all, so it almost doesn’t matter. I keep trying to think of a way to just start the movie with Kylo on the bridge of a star destroyer (from the TLJ deleted scenes), then someone says off camera his ship is ready, then we see his TIE flying to Vader’s castle (using RO footage). My problem is, besides the tough VFX work, what happens once he gets there? Ideally you’d just have him go in and take the wayfinder, but when he gets the wayfinder in TROS he’s outside and all dirty and shit, so that footage wouldn’t work.

drakesepi0l said:

One thing I’d do personally to differentiate it is use the instrumental only version, especially as choral pieces are less common in the ST scores.

Something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4D_rt5mUfg

I’ve been trying to find some variations but most sound too trailer-ish. Maybe some live orchestras make it sound a little different.

Yeah that’s exactly what I was thinking of. Although listening to that again, I’m not sure if they ever actually released an instrumental version or if this is just someone’s fan edit, trying to remove as much choir as possible. Regardless, yeah I think the less choir the better as it’d stand out in this score (less so the eerie chanting bit from the back half of R2Poodoo’s video, because there’s some similar sounding stuff in the Exegol portions of the film).

I’ve thought about it quite a bit and I think I’m going to move the Falcon’s mission to after Rey’s intro, training, and pep talk with Leia (“Never underestimate a droid”). I like how focused things get once we finally see Rey in the film so I’d hate to break up the Ajan Kloss scenes, but I think the very beginning is where the fast pacing hurts the most, and the lightspeed skipping scene is the prime culprit.

This way, you start the film with Kylo’s journey, Palpatine mentions Rey, we cut to Rey and see her train, see Kylo connect with her, see her have a quiet moment with Leia, then we finally get to the Falcon, and right after we see the Falcon return to the Resistance base. Besides this being a more streamlined sequence of events (that I believe was the original sequencing anyway), this will also help pacing because you won’t get one crazy planet hopping scene (Kylo going to Exegol) followed by another (the lightspeed skipping). I’m hoping between that, reediting Kylo’s interruption to Rey’s training, and slightly extending the lightspeed skipping scene, I can make the first act feel significantly less hyperactive. I’m still weighing in my head the concept of cutting out Mustafar or not. I’m not confident whether if it’d help or hurt the pace honestly, so I’d be curious to see it in action.

Why… are you here?

Hal 9000 said:

Not scrapped, but not committed either. If I had free time I probably would.

Here’s another take on a crawl:

Episode IX
THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

The iron grip of the FIRST ORDER has spread to the farthest reaches of the galaxy. To suffocate the spark of rebellion, all communication between neighboring systems has been silenced.

As Rey, sole heir to the Jedi, continues her training under the ailing General Leia Organa, the fledging Resistance gathers intel to forge a path to freedom.

Meanwhile, Supreme Leader Kylo Ren searches relentlessly for his grandfather’s SITH WAYFINDER, to unlock the secrets of his former master’s power…

Interesting, incorporating some DOTF. But I wonder if one would suspect a direct follow up to the ‘all communication has been cut off’ set up.

R2Poodoo said:

I loved the tv spot that used Duel of the Fates so I took a stab at recutting the song to fit the first section of Rey and Kylo’s Duel. Did some color correction as well.

https://vimeo.com/397732003

Password: fanedit

I was against this but I actually think this works pretty well. I’d be worried about it seeming like it comes out of nowhere in context, but maybe you could tease it in the preceding scene (and maybe even the Force duel as well).

One thing I’d do personally to differentiate it is use the instrumental only version, especially as choral pieces are less common in the ST scores.

poppasketti said:

Exactly, I don’t know that perfectly white balancing every scene makes it better when there may be artistic intent behind the grade. That’s not to say you can’t make it better, though.

This is what bothers me so much when I see people complaining about color correcting. I think sometimes people misunderstand the “correcting” part of the phrase. That said, of course it’s fair to have personal opinions on grades.

Something people miss too is sometimes it’s not just the grade. Like the Star destroyers being so blue, that’s the lighting playing a part as well.

ChainsawAsh said:

Holy shit, that’s bad. I don’t remember it being that bad in the theater…right?

That’s exactly how it was in the theater. It’s rare that a modern film is retimed for a blu-ray, so I don’t know why people always assume that’s the case.

RogueLeader said:

I would love to see Dr. Dre, Nev, or someone else to make a nice LUT for this movie.

kk650 tends to put out versions that correct blanket tints like this, so that’s what I’m hoping for.

Hal 9000 said:

I wonder if they didn’t have Leia say “always” because they decided for her body to vanish subsequent to that moment.

Yes I’m quite certain that’s the reason, although I don’t care. I can think of at least a few different explanations that’d satisfy me. In my mind the potential error is worth it to get Leia’s voice in there.

I wonder if it’d be at all doable or even a good idea to have her vanish right after Ben’s resolution after talking with Han.

It’s something we’ve discussed before. The issue is that Poe speaks to Leia’s dead body, which comes after the Han scene. The problem with just moving the Han scene is it’s tied in a knot (Han scene > Palpatine puts Pryde in charge > Kijimi blows up > Poe put in charge > Poe talks to Leia’s body).

idir_hh said:

DominicCobb said:

idir_hh said:

DominicCobb said:

idir_hh said:

I see where you’re coming from and it plays well with “the jedi of the past” thing, but looking at it from a lore and canon perspective, it doesn’t make much sense to have Jedi other than Luke, Qui Gon, Anakin, Obi-wan, Yoda and (possibly Leia) communicate from the netherworld of the force without having discovered that knowledge.

Why not? First of all, Anakin died without having learned that power, and yet he can still become a ghost. More importantly, it shouldn’t be a struggle for Rey to speak to the ghosts, no? And yet it’s something that takes practice and training. The way I interpreted it, the challenge of hearing the voices of the Jedi that came before is hearing not just the ghosts, but everyone.

Anakin kinda get’s a pass though since he is the Chosen One, in “the Rise and Fall of Darth Vader” novel, Obi Wan reached out to Anakin when his consciousness was between the physical realm and the netherworld and taught him “one final lesson”

I think this explanation relies a little too much on “extra curricular” material.

I’d say most people presume Anakin ascended to becoming a force ghost due to his chosen one status so it probably doesn’t need much explanation from extra material…although it’s nice to have that sometimes.

I don’t know why Anakin being the chosen one would make him a force ghost. That doesn’t make sense to me.

idir_hh said:

DominicCobb said:

idir_hh said:

I see where you’re coming from and it plays well with “the jedi of the past” thing, but looking at it from a lore and canon perspective, it doesn’t make much sense to have Jedi other than Luke, Qui Gon, Anakin, Obi-wan, Yoda and (possibly Leia) communicate from the netherworld of the force without having discovered that knowledge.

Why not? First of all, Anakin died without having learned that power, and yet he can still become a ghost. More importantly, it shouldn’t be a struggle for Rey to speak to the ghosts, no? And yet it’s something that takes practice and training. The way I interpreted it, the challenge of hearing the voices of the Jedi that came before is hearing not just the ghosts, but everyone.

Anakin kinda get’s a pass though since he is the Chosen One, in “the Rise and Fall of Darth Vader” novel, Obi Wan reached out to Anakin when his consciousness was between the physical realm and the netherworld and taught him “one final lesson”

I think this explanation relies a little too much on “extra curricular” material.

idir_hh said:

I see where you’re coming from and it plays well with “the jedi of the past” thing, but looking at it from a lore and canon perspective, it doesn’t make much sense to have Jedi other than Luke, Qui Gon, Anakin, Obi-wan, Yoda and (possibly Leia) communicate from the netherworld of the force without having discovered that knowledge.

Why not? First of all, Anakin died without having learned that power, and yet he can still become a ghost. More importantly, it shouldn’t be a struggle for Rey to speak to the ghosts, no? And yet it’s something that takes practice and training. The way I interpreted it, the challenge of hearing the voices of the Jedi that came before is hearing not just the ghosts, but everyone.

SilverWook said:

If JJ can’t get a straight answer out of Lucaafilm, who the heck can?

I mean, there is a decent chance it was too complicated for him to explain in an interview, or he wasn’t allowed to. Regardless, it’s not good.

Luke’s perspective on balance is this: when the Force is simply allowed to exist as it is (light and dark among it), the universe is at balance. He says that “for a time there was balance,” after the events of ROTJ. But he believes that him trying to rebuild the Jedi order pushed the scales, and it is what caused the dark side to return.

Of course this is just Luke’s interpretation. It’s the whole reason he believes being on the island is the right thing to do.

StarkillerAG said:

It seems like you think all the bad parts of Star Wars tie back to the prophecy, when I never interpreted it as a retcon of the OT.

I mean, whether or not you think it works, it is a retcon of the OT.

Hal 9000 said:

lol, okay you got me with the title. Did you change it or was it always like that?

Always. The reason I use “Useless” for my PT edits is because it’s been so many years since they came out and there are a million other edits out there with a million great ideas. But I figure I’ll probably be one of the first on this one and so my ideas might be useful for others.

act on instinct said:

Dom if you have no interest in the subject of the thread why participate? Feels like you’re just arguing to argue when you’re going against the premise of the thread. We can all have our opinions and ShamanWhill made their intentions clear from the beginning.

I think it’s an interesting subject. I don’t get why discussing the ST is banned, as I feel like that’s pretty germane to the subject. But I see that this thread is more about fan fiction, which is completely fair. But if so, it’s in the wrong forum.

Everything I’ve said on the topic has been in relation to these^ thoughts. Hope my position is clear and people can stop yelling at me.