You’re not the only one. The idea didn’t occur to me at all until I saw people saying as much around the web. I’m just saying to me it feels like a jump (in the same way ‘Rey exiles to Tatooine’ feels like a jump, though maybe this one less so).
Here is my attempt at the opening. I added the opening shot of Mustafar from Rogue One, as well as doing my best to color grade it to match The Rise of Skywalker. I even used music from the soundtrack that was part of the opening that didn’t make it in. Some VFX work can be done to remove Krennic’s shuttle.
https://vimeo.com/398946856
PASSWORD: faneditThe color correction works, the music isn’t quite there. I’d recommend using the track “Journey to Exegol,” which is what plays when Kylo battles on Mustafar.
The track I used is the prologue which plays just before we see Ben in action, it’s extended on the soundtrack but wasn’t featured in the movie. Give it a listen, just after the crawl fanfare.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOqtn4DZerA&list=PLohYzz4btpaRp8QSC2e9gzyZ1hd7byj_X
I know the track. Besides the fanfare it’s not played at all before we see Ben in action in the movie as is.
For the record, here’s Journey to Exegol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkHVhZWJSfk
At about 1:02 is where it picks up in the movie. I’d recommend starting at around :47 and leading into that.
If you just watch the movie, and don’t read outside material. The only context you get is:
• Palpatine literally made Snoke.
• He has multiple clones of Snoke.
• He says he’s been EVERY voice in Kylo’s head, and even says it in Snoke’s voice. It didn’t seem like he meant it figuratively.I mean, you could’ve argued “I made Snoke” was figurative, like he helped Snoke become the powerful Supreme Leader, but then we see literal vats of Snoke’s.
I mean obviously he literally made Snoke. I’m just having a real tough time making the leap from ‘making’ to ‘having him be a literal puppet.’ To me that doesn’t make any sense, because if he can control a body remotely, why is that body Snoke? Why not Palpatine or literally anyone else? And then why is he inhabiting his fucked up body and not another Snoke body during this movie? Not to mention how absolutely stupid a retcon it would be to look at Snoke in the last two movies and think ‘oh that’s actually Palpatine.’
No, I think at worst we’re meant to believe that he’s a little minion that Palpatine has nominal control over (like a programmed robot or zombie) rather than an actual body that Palpatine himself is inhabiting.
Anyway I guess this is kind of an off topic discussion. I’m not really sure how to apply any of this to editing, besides maybe suggesting cutting out “I have been every voice…” and/or the Snoke vat, depending on how offensive you find them.
Thanks for sharing. At first I really liked the idea that Snoke was some kind of homunculus controlled by Palpatine, but I really don’t like the idea that killing Snoke was actually some sort of test for Kylo. The more I think about it the more I feel like Snoke being Palpatine’s apprentice would’ve been a much simpler explanation.
Who was Snoke a clone of? Was he a clone or a creation? Did Palpatine control him directly? Or was he given false memories?
I don’t know. I just think Snoke would’ve worked better if he had his own agency, rather than basically being Palpatine speaking through a puppet body.
I still don’t get this. Saying he was a test kinda implies he wasn’t a puppet, no? To me it sounds like Palpatine made Snoke and sent him out to do his bidding but knew if Kylo was as powerful as he could be he would overthrow the inferior Snoke. That’s how it all reads to me at least.
The line, “I have been every voice you’ve ever heard inside your head” with Snoke being one of the voices, implies to me that Palpatine was Snoke.
I mean, I think they purposefully make it vague and I think that line is supposed to be figurative. Especially this excerpt seems to dispel that theory, them calling Snoke a servant and such. They’re very much talking about him as if he’s a separate person. If the novel expands on the explanation of Snoke you’d think they’d make “puppet” more explicit if that was actually the case rather than go in the opposite direction.
This is basically how I feel about it, the film makes it vague and keeps it open to interpretation (like a lot of things). But to me, the “Snoke” is a puppet concept literally just does not make sense. So it’s hard for me to roll with that interpretation when there is a much more sensical one that is equally valid based on the information presented.
Here is my attempt at the opening. I added the opening shot of Mustafar from Rogue One, as well as doing my best to color grade it to match The Rise of Skywalker. I even used music from the soundtrack that was part of the opening that didn’t make it in. Some VFX work can be done to remove Krennic’s shuttle.
https://vimeo.com/398946856
PASSWORD: fanedit
The color correction works, the music isn’t quite there. I’d recommend using the track “Journey to Exegol,” which is what plays when Kylo battles on Mustafar.
Thanks for sharing. At first I really liked the idea that Snoke was some kind of homunculus controlled by Palpatine, but I really don’t like the idea that killing Snoke was actually some sort of test for Kylo. The more I think about it the more I feel like Snoke being Palpatine’s apprentice would’ve been a much simpler explanation.
Who was Snoke a clone of? Was he a clone or a creation? Did Palpatine control him directly? Or was he given false memories?
I don’t know. I just think Snoke would’ve worked better if he had his own agency, rather than basically being Palpatine speaking through a puppet body.
I still don’t get this. Saying he was a test kinda implies he wasn’t a puppet, no? To me it sounds like Palpatine made Snoke and sent him out to do his bidding but knew if Kylo was as powerful as he could be he would overthrow the inferior Snoke. That’s how it all reads to me at least.
Made a quick compilation of all shots from the documentary that could be used to extend scenes:
Hero
JEDIT: Definitely looks like there could be one or two useable shots in there. Especially Dark Rey on the throne (if someone can do VFX for that second shot).
It’s not in the movie, the only thing that was left in was Rey oiling D-O’s wheel. This happens after 3PO’s sacrifice so she’s kinda mourning in this scene.
Could be a nice little moment to include if a VFX wiz could remove the puppeteering equipment. Audio will be a pain too I suppose. Still.
Little cheeky but maybe you could put in the shot of the ship leaving Jakku.
I don’t have the film yet so I’m flying a little blind. No specific spot in mind but I’d ideally want to have all of them to cross reference with the film.
Seeing you lay it out like that, I just thought of an easier solution: put the shot of the asteroid field in between the two Ochi’s ship scenes.
Anyone know where one can get high res downloads of tv spots and trailers? I found one website but they only had the teaser, special look, and main trailer. Sad that I’m so starved for deleted content that I’m looking for extra shots or frames in trailers, but also in a film that moves this fast sometimes those things can make a difference.
Also, anyone have a solution for removing the premature Chewie reveal? The only thing I can think of is moving Kylo’s force talk with Palpatine up to that point and changing the dialogue but I feel like it works better where it is.
Honestly I’d prefer Cos.
Dashit… not so much.
A little on the green side, otherwise great.
I like this idea. Could you do me a favor and scale up the rainbows then drop the opacity way way down? Curious what that’d look like.
Something like this or even more subtle?
No, I think that’s perfect! If anything I’d bring up the opacity just a very very small tad.
Honestly if you’re adding non-preexisting Mustafar shots I’d try to find something that doesn’t feature lava.
Speaking of the final scene, anyone working on force ghost Ben?
Alternatively, if we’re going with the original movie intro, I used a deleted scene from TLJ to add a few more seconds to it. The shots line up perfectly, even the TIEs. I realize it’s not much, but perhaps we could put some sort of voiceover on it now since it’s a bit longer?
https://vimeo.com/398255683
PW: faneditThat looks great, yeah I think it needs an establishing shot of krennics ship (could be recoloured to black) descending to mustafar and flying by Vaders Castle to make transition to the battle less abrupt.
I would say that the transition to the battle was already abrupt. I was thinking that this would help alleviate that to a certain extent since the camera is already focusing on Kylo. Maybe some sound effects could help with the transition.
I think the difference is cutting from Kylo to Kylo, in the theatrical it’s more just like here’s the establishing shot of Mustafar, and now here’s what Kylo’s been doing there.
That being said, sound effects and music would 100% help. If you started slowly building the sounds of laser fire and his lightsaber during the star destroyer scenes, and put a riser in that built up to the cut point, I’d wager most people would say it works.
It would still end on a binary sunset, but maybe you could see a subtle rainbow in this one shot.
I like this idea. Could you do me a favor and scale up the rainbows then drop the opacity way way down? Curious what that’d look like.
- mute 3PO’s “all for nothing” speech
Does anyone know what music plays during that scene? I can’t find it ANYWHERE.
It might be nice though to rescore it with something different if we can’t find the track though, so I guess we’ll see…
It’s an unreleased piece.
“Sheev” doesn’t sound any better or worse to me than any other made up Star Wars name, to be totally honest.
Something about it really bugs me. Not just how silly it is, but the fact that it’s not in any of the films and was added so much later. Just feels fundamentally wrong to me.
I mean, Palpatine has to have some sort of first name, right? Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t like it if they kept calling him “Palpatine,” without even identifying his full name. It’s just a silly made-up name, it isn’t something important like Yoda’s origins.
Funny you mention Yoda…
“Sheev” doesn’t sound any better or worse to me than any other made up Star Wars name, to be totally honest.
Something about it really bugs me. Not just how silly it is, but the fact that it’s not in any of the films and was added so much later. Just feels fundamentally wrong to me.
My attempt at reducing the color cast (more screencaps in each comparison):
http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/DZYG7NNX
http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/JC1EJNNU
These look great, much more of a throwback look. Personal preference truly, I actually don’t think the Rey is too much red but I’d say in both of the Rey stills you’re kind of shifting into a more monochromatic look, less pop of the green jungle vs. Rey, and the sky vs. the desert. Probably a little too far in that desert pic in general (look at Finn’s pants and the stripes on his vest).
Some additional random thoughts about some of Leia’s scenes:
I think if we add some extra off-screen dialogue here and there for Leia, it might help make the interactions feel a little more natural and have a better flow. Sometimes it feels like people, specifically Rey, talks to Leia while she just stands there.
One example I thought of would be when Rey is telling her about the Wayfinders. Rey says she has to go, then Leia just says, “No.” I was thinking after Leia says no and it cuts back to Rey, Leia could start saying something else, like a reason why she disagrees, and Rey interrupts her. I think it would help it feel more like a real conversation.
That’s a good idea. That one in particular really sticks out. She says “No” and then Rey has a whole conversation by herself. If there’s a fix I’d love to see it. Something short and simple like “It’s too dangerous” or “You’re not ready.”
Also, when Rey hands Leia the saber, she says, “I will earn your brother’s saber. One day.” I think this could be changed to “I will earn your father’s saber. One day.” “father” could be taken from her line, “He killed my mother, and my father” from later on in the film. Later, when Leia hands it back, I think it would be great if we gave her a line like, “It’s yours.”
I like it. Personally, I think “your family’s saber” would be more fitting and more meaningful, if possible.
But all of that is still kept with what I propose…
Maybe I’ve been wording it wrong, but I’m not proposing that the crawl ends and Kylo is already on Exegol, I’m saying the crawl ends and you pan down to see Kylo using the Wayfinder (already in his possession) to navigate to Exegol. You’d just be excising the parts actually on Mustafar.
My thoughts are similar with yours in regards to the ending of the crawl and the opening scene of Kylo in his TIE with the Wayfinder.
I know HAL wants to keep it as is, which I get, the issue is even if one has the wording alluding to anything, the audience still is wondering “Where is he, what are they doing? Why is the thing here? Who is guarding it, why are they guarding it?”
I feel like the crawl has to be more explicit about it so we understand why Kylo is there, why there is fighting and why the item is there.
The opening is similar to The Force Awakens, however, TFA at least has the guy who has The thing and there is dialogue that revolves around THE THING. For TROS, there isn’t anything. Just fighting and we get THE THING without anything more. That’s why it falls flat for me. To much rushing around. We HURRY FIGHT HERE and HURRY UP FLY OVEER THERE. IT would be better, personally, to just have WE ARE FLYING HERE!
I don’t think it’s quite the same thing, as the visuals make it pretty obvious what the wayfinder is doing before they ever call it that.
That’s a fair point, we do visually see what it does. However, we still don’t get the context of "Why here, Who are these people Kylo and crew are attack, are they guarding it? Why are the guarding it? Where the heck are we? Why is it in some stone box thingy? etc. etc. There are too many unanswered questions.
You can remove all that baggage by having it in the crawl and we see Kylo using it to get his directions. Much cleaner. Or else you have to have long crawl paragraph to shed some explanation.
Personally, even as is in the theatrical film I didn’t find it confusing. We don’t know the answers to those questions, but it doesn’t matter.
But all of that is still kept with what I propose…
Maybe I’ve been wording it wrong, but I’m not proposing that the crawl ends and Kylo is already on Exegol, I’m saying the crawl ends and you pan down to see Kylo using the Wayfinder (already in his possession) to navigate to Exegol. You’d just be excising the parts actually on Mustafar.
My thoughts are similar with yours in regards to the ending of the crawl and the opening scene of Kylo in his TIE with the Wayfinder.
I know HAL wants to keep it as is, which I get, the issue is even if one has the wording alluding to anything, the audience still is wondering “Where is he, what are they doing? Why is the thing here? Who is guarding it, why are they guarding it?”
I feel like the crawl has to be more explicit about it so we understand why Kylo is there, why there is fighting and why the item is there.
The opening is similar to The Force Awakens, however, TFA at least has the guy who has The thing and there is dialogue that revolves around THE THING. For TROS, there isn’t anything. Just fighting and we get THE THING without anything more. That’s why it falls flat for me. To much rushing around. We HURRY FIGHT HERE and HURRY UP FLY OVEER THERE. IT would be better, personally, to just have WE ARE FLYING HERE!
I don’t think it’s quite the same thing, as the visuals make it pretty obvious what the wayfinder is doing before they ever call it that.
Can we just remove Jannah? Like she can be there with the Resistance, but we don’t really need deserters on Kef Bir, do we?
That’s be removing the only worthwhile thing about the character.
