DominicCobb

Yes I am well aware that their eyes are not actually slit, I didn’t mean literally. Look at the pupils. Point remains. As I said I can buy it as a coincidence but it’s still an unfortunate one.

I don’t find any of it offensive and I think the racial caricatures are least of those characters’ problems, but to dismiss the accusations outright is silly. This isn’t binary. It’s not “is George Lucas an evil racist or isn’t he.” It’s a bit more complicated than that.

I thought zombie did a pretty good job on the subject in the Secret History of Star Wars.

I have no doubt that Lucas and co. didn’t intend for the characters to be racist (hard to believe they would), but the simple fact of the matter is they very much appear that way. Whether it was subconscious or simply ignorant, I don’t know. I think Lucas was simply trying to draw from the real world and was unknowingly creating racial caricatures.

Still, just because the actor or someone else says it wasn’t meant as racist doesn’t mean it isn’t. Jar Jar’s basically Stepin Fetchit (I would really be surprised if Lucas was unaware of his work and not influenced in some way). Maybe it’s a coincidence the Nemoidians seem like asian stereotypes but still a decision was made at some point to give them slit eyes and a heavy asian accent. No one’s being evil here it’s just a matter of some unfortunate creative decisions.

TV’s Frink said:

cough

Hmm, April 11, 2015, a full 365 days ago. Will this become an annual debate then?

TV’s Frink said:

43. Listing TV shows, books, plays, musicals, or parole hearings when you’re supposed to rank movies.

Don’t forget the cereal boxes!

ZaneFlare92 said:

When you think on it only 4,5,6,1 and 7 have complete soundtracks. I think 2’s soundtrack only has the new tracks composed for the movie it’s short but a good half is from Phantom Menace. Williams was buried with a 3 other films in 2002. The only soundtrack to officially not have a full soundtrack official release is Revenge of The Sith. I known there is a bootleg of a full ROTS soundtrack. So if it were to have that isolated score option it would have to be through those means. A Isolated Score would be awesome. I wish a official full soundtrack of ROTS comes soon. If given the option it be cool to watch ROTS with just the music, being that it would have all of the music instaed of the roughly 60 to 70% we got on the official soundtrack. If there’s anything Star Wars fan appreciate of the Prequels is John Williams music.

TFA’s soundtrack is not complete. AOTC’s soundtrack is missing more than just the bits from TPM. Speaking of, TPM would be the easiest film to do an isolated score for as the Ultimate Edition is the score exactly as presented in the film (but keep in mind that means heavily edited so we still don’t have a complete score for TPM).

This is all off topic though.

moviefreakedmind said:

Why would I dedicate space in my brain to Mask of the Phantasm? A movie I will never see, ever.

Well, if you have any interest in Batman at all (and I would assume so considering you’re viewing and posting in this thread), I wouldn’t recommend never seeing it ever, as it is pretty good (and much better than the large majority of live action Batman films).

It seems every thread turns into an argument about TFA. Haven’t read the whole debate but I can only assume the argument is whether TFA is 10x better than AOTC or 100x better.

Possessed said:

So are we SURE that Attack of the Clones was a real film and not just a collective hallucination we all share?

You know, thinking back on it, I’m pretty sure AOTC was the first film I saw that disappointed me.

TV’s Frink said:

FanFiltration said:

“The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension”

Ugh, talk about overrated.

Granted, my feelings on that movie are probably tainted by a college roommate who insisted it was the best movie ever, better than Star Wars, better than Raiders, better than anything else I’d ever seen.

Kind of sounds like some of the insane opinions on this forum, come to think of it. Maybe he’s a member here.

Doesn’t Buckaroo Banzai fall into the so bad it’s good category (with some ambiguity as to how much of that is on purpose)?

Someone who calls it better than Star Wars or Raiders is clearly in a very small minority (he may be the only one) so I don’t think you could call the film overrated in that case.

TV’s Frink said:

I assume some animated “film.”

Actually it did have a theatrical release.

darthrush said:

Indeed. But don’t u think by doing the following cuts and changes it would work legitalemty. This is as detailed as I can be currently just off of memory of the movie:

Well either way there’s still the issue of the randomness of the Starkiller showing up halfway through the film (and trying to buy it as a threat without seeing what it can do). The problem with not having the New Republic scenes is there’s a sizable plot hole created - why aren’t people evacuating? Why isn’t the Republic helping the Resistance?

I really have very small interest in TFA fan edits because I know they’ll mostly just cut out stuff I love, but there are some small quibblies that I’ll probably have to sort out for myself at some point.

For instance, and it’s strange no one’s mentioned this, but the Kylo speaks to Vader scene doesn’t really work. I mean, as a scene, by itself, it totally works. But it’s placement within the film just seems… random? It’s right in the middle of the sequence of the heroes at Maz’s castle, but it’s only about a minute long and doesn’t really have anything to do with that. So just a very short and unrelated detour, which sort of ruins the power of the scene a bit.

So I see two options to fix.
A) Make the scene more relevant to Kylo’s storyline. Solution: move the scene right after Snoke’s “We shall see.”
or B) Make the scene more relevant to the heroes storyline. Solution: move the scene right after Han and Leia talk about Kylo.

darthrush said:

https://humaniterations.net/2016/03/26/how-to-fix-the-force-awakens/

Interesting article with some smart ideas. Tough to pull of without the New Republic deleted scenes.

I honestly don’t know why you want to make Finn suck harder (hehe) with a lightsaber. What’s the point of him even having it if he can’t do anything with it? I sort of understand if you want to trim his fight with Kylo so it’s done immediately and you’re like oh shit, but if all you’ve seen of Finn with the lightsaber beforehand is him getting his ass handed to him by another stormtrooper, his defeat by Kylo is not surprising and doesn’t really say much for Kylo.

Note on color correction:

• Be careful with the orange shift, the snow in particular is looking a little weird.
• Since teal is such and integral color to the First Order interiors (and can’t be completely gotten rid of by small tweaks), by adding an orange tint you’ve essentially given those scenes (Rey in the base, Han and Kylo) a teal and orange grade. Looks cool, don’t know if that’s what you’re going for though.

Moving Hux’s speech and the Hosnian destruction is an interesting and actually pretty cool idea, but it kind of messes up the attack on the base. When do we learn that the base is a system killing weapon? Do we just show up at the Resistance base and suddenly everyone’s talking about it? One of the problems with the Starkiller base is it shows up late in the second half as sort of an underdeveloped subplot. Moving the speech and the weapon’s first use would not really help matters.

Only solution I can figure is if Starkiller base is mentioned in the crawl (and also maybe somehow tied into Luke’s disappearance, like Kylo doesn’t just want to find Luke he wants to destroy him and the planet he’s on, maybe it’s powerful in the force or something?).

darthrush said:

Do you have any special plans for Hans death scene. It’s essential and doesn’t pack the emotional punch I hoped for so I’m very curious what edits or possible added music could improve the overall scene.

I think the scene is just about perfect as is. But… there is a pretty amazing alternate unused music track recorded for it (found in the Secrets doc): https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9NXlLWWQxRVQ0WGs/view

Don’t know how useable though.

Another thing, I don’t want Rey, Luke, Kylo, and Snoke to be the only force users (though I don’t want a million like in the PT - one or two more could do).

It’d be interesting if Finn becomes force sensitive as well, though I don’t really mind either way.

Niiiice

TV’s Frink said:

My point was you can’t compare the two groups objectively if you only like one of them.

I feel like this almost makes sense but doesn’t. You’re making it sound like if you don’t like a band you have a bias against them, but that’s not necessarily the case. There are different levels of liking. What if I don’t like Green Day and only kind of like The Cars? Does that make me unobjective? Or can’t I say The Cars are objectively more worth liking than Green Day? What if I don’t like either of them? Does that mean I can’t compare objectively? Or maybe I can because they’re on the same level for me? But they can’t be on the same level or I wouldn’t be saying one is better than the other, right?

Music is simply too subjective - there’s no right or wrong here. And comparing too fairly different bands means even more cause for subjectivity.

Teaser tomorrow.

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I also would go so far as to say that I like every Cars album I’ve heard (which admittedly is not all of them) more than American Idiot. I also find the title song extremely obnoxious.

Do you like Green Day? If not, you can’t exactly be objective.

But wouldn’t liking Green Day be subjective too? I’m not a big fan but I don’t have a problem with them in the Rock and Roll Hall of fame. I’m also not a big The Cars guy but their self titled album is probably one of the best rock albums ever, so it is pretty silly that they’re not in.

I just looked it up, there are some absolutely absurd snubs going on here: http://www.futurerocklegends.com/The_Snub_List.php

I always assumed that they started putting in non-rock groups because they already inducted all the good rock groups. Guess not.

I think I’ll go back to not caring about this topic.

But what if I think they’re both great (and TFA is still better)?

Lord Haseo said:

What’s funny is that Kylo said something to the effect of “No one has been able to get out of you…what you did with the map” which indicates that FO people interrogated him as well.

Those are the exact lines, so with the torture droid in mind, and Poe’s line “You might want to rethink your technique,” I think the implication is that he’s already been interrogated using the droid, and the scene is actually subtly showing Ren as bigger and badder than Vader in some respects (Vader just used the probe and failed, but when Ren uses the probe and fails, he moves on to something far worse and a lot more effective).

Watching the film now, noticed that when Kylo Ren is interrogating Poe you can hear the sound of the torture droid from ANH and see behind him what looks like it might be an updated torture droid. Pretty cool, glad I’m still catching new things even on my sixth viewing.

darthrush said:

That’s why I made it clear that within the constraints of THEIR story CG Yoda was needed. If Yoda We’re too not ever pull out his saber and do flips all over the place then a puppet Yoda would have been better. But a lot better looking puppet than the one in TPM. It looked terrible and just so ugh…

No, I honestly think it still would have been better if he was puppet and only CGI in the necessary places.

The film was not “pretty blue” in the theaters. Many scenes had a good deal of blue lighting in them and the starfield was definitely blue, but this was not due to some universal blue shift ala STID.