DominicCobb

Finally saw the “Secrets” doc. Wish it were longer but it still made me cry so…

Most normal people I know are Star Wars fans to some extent. Many of them grew up with the PT but still consider it shit (though have a soft spot). The OT is definitely better regarded, so shifting the marketing focus there just makes sense.

ray_afraid said:

ray_afraid said:

ray_afraid said:

Very cool! I kinda prefer that one light to not be working though. Fits the Falcon.

Hey just wondering if there’s any reason to fix the light that’s out in the original.
Continuity?

I know it’s a small thing, so I hate to keep posting about it, but I’m just very curious about why that was changed.

Isn’t that light on in all the other shots?

joefavs said:

Yeah, it was in with that long gag list of ostensibly terrible movies a few posts back. I honestly find the original Max a little hard to get through. Thunderdome is far from perfect, but it’s so imaginative in such a bizarre way that it’s endeared itself to me.

Same, I much prefer Thunderdome to the original.

Also, regarding that long list, besides the obvious ones mentioned I think Jurassic World and Spectre are out of place as well. I’d never defend them as great films but I found them to be quite enjoyable and definitely no where near the worst in their respective franchises (let alone worst films ever).

I also stand by KOTCS is underrated but whatever.

TV’s Frink said:

That_OT_Ruler said:

College is really a bitch.

Perhaps you’ve heard this before, but it’s not really. You have more free time now than you will have afterwards, you just don’t realize it yet.

I can’t say this with the utmost authority, but I think it depends. My life’s so crazy right now that I can’t wait until the semester’s over. Thing is though, when school’s out I immediately start working 9-5, but that’s liberating because my schedule is so much more hectic now.

Of course it’s not just classes that’s making me busy and I assume what makes one busy after college is not just work (obviously free time is scarce when you have children). It depends.

It’s interesting because from a certain point of view the Nolan Batman films are the only live action ones that aren’t garbage (though I do like Returns).

That is really quite profound.

Hal 9000 said:

Unrelated: If we are talking about the novelizations as books without respect to anything else, just them in isolation, I’d say ROTS was far better than TFA.
I like the broad story, but the whole PT was brought about with compounding bad decisions.

Honestly, ROTS is my favorite of all the adaptations (though I haven’t read the TFA one yet). In fact, ROTS the novel is my favorite SW book in general.

As Frink says though we are talking about the movies. The beauty of the original Star Wars was that it was a story most effectively told through cinema. TFA fits that bill as well.

textooine said:

*Disclaimer: It’s merely my opinion

How dare you?

I thought dead, this thread.

Just another thing Lucas messed up, though a bit more cringe worthy.

Rey meeting Luke to train with him is the conclusion to the main plot of finding Luke and Rey’s own character arc in the film. There is a “to be continued” in that we know there’s more story that will be told but this is still 100% an ending to the story that the film is telling.

In an earlier draft of the script they found Luke about 2/3 of the way in but they realized once Luke showed up it became his movie. They needed this film without him to establish the new characters and how Star Wars is no longer Luke’s story, it’s Rey’s (though of course they intertwine).

Luke not speaking at the end is a matter of “can’t please everyone.” If he talked, a lot of people wouldn’t be happy (myself included). Star Wars endings are dialogue-less, remember? He didn’t need to say anything anyway when his face was already saying so much.

TV’s Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

MalàStrana said:

DominicCobb said:

Dek Rollins said:

One of my older brothers told me that someone he was talking to said something to the effect of “George Lucas already has the scripts for episodes 7 8 and 9 written.” This was back in like, 2007.

I was told the same thing back in 1999 or so.

Give Lucas a few hours and he will deliver finished scripts for 7-8-9 (even 10-11-12 if you offer him a cup of coffee). Not good, but finished. But if you want a STAR WARS quality script, he needs 4 years/10 hours of work per day. I would very much like to read the synopsis of the ST he “sold” to Disney in 2012… I’m pretty sure it’s American graffiti with x-wings and tie-fighters (like R1 is Divergent with x-wings and tie-fighters…).

Your math is wrong. Lucas hates writing, he’d never finish a script in a few hours. The PT is the result of him spending years and working hours per day (though mainly just staring at a blank page I’d imagine). To get a good script out of him you’d need a team of people constantly providing feedbacks and critiques. Otherwise it’ll be shite.

Very curious as to why you think R1 has anything to do with Divergent.

You should read more Mala posts…

I’d rather not.

TV’s Frink said:

Any list without Ric Olie at the top is worthless.

Poe Dameron is Ric Olie’s grandson in my head canon.

Honestly the large majority of my friends and family are Star Wars fans to some extent. It is widely known by them that I’m the “Star Wars guy.” So I don’t often hear people talk about SW like they’re experts because they know they’re at risk of being schooled by myself.

MalàStrana said:

DominicCobb said:

Dek Rollins said:

One of my older brothers told me that someone he was talking to said something to the effect of “George Lucas already has the scripts for episodes 7 8 and 9 written.” This was back in like, 2007.

I was told the same thing back in 1999 or so.

Give Lucas a few hours and he will deliver finished scripts for 7-8-9 (even 10-11-12 if you offer him a cup of coffee). Not good, but finished. But if you want a STAR WARS quality script, he needs 4 years/10 hours of work per day. I would very much like to read the synopsis of the ST he “sold” to Disney in 2012… I’m pretty sure it’s American graffiti with x-wings and tie-fighters (like R1 is Divergent with x-wings and tie-fighters…).

Your math is wrong. Lucas hates writing, he’d never finish a script in a few hours. The PT is the result of him spending years and working hours per day (though mainly just staring at a blank page I’d imagine). To get a good script out of him you’d need a team of people constantly providing feedbacks and critiques. Otherwise it’ll be shite.

Very curious as to why you think R1 has anything to do with Divergent.

MalàStrana said:

It’s just a shame no release does use the actual movie title, Episode VII or just VII being skipped (even the english wiki page is wrong about that, it really is curious and quite disrespectful of everything that happened before).

Haha what

joefavs said:

I am forever baffled by the amount of people who are willing to take Lucas to task for absolutely everything except for the racial insensitivity. We all agree on a thousand other ways he fucked up making the prequels, why is this one so hard to swallow?

Also, this “takes one to know one” idea I’ve seen come up a few times that anyone who detects racism in these things must be a racist themselves (“Nemoidians only seem like Asian stereotypes to you because that must be how you personally see Asians”) might just be the stupidest and most wrongheaded thing I’ve ever seen here, which is really saying something.

A close second is “This one black/Asian/Jewish/etc. guy doesn’t have a problem with it, so all other criticism isn’t valid.”

I was kinda hoping the argument would end with this comment. Guess not…

yotsuya said:

He is horrible with endings, which may be why instead of a real ending, we get a “to be continued” setup for the next film.

There is admittedly some set up for the next film (Snoke recalling Kylo and such) but they are external to the story.

Rey meeting Luke to train with him is the conclusion to the main plot of finding Luke and Rey’s own character arc in the film. There is a “to be continued” in that we know there’s more story that will be told but this is still 100% an ending to the story that the film is telling.

TV’s Frink said:

imperialscum said:

People just need to start using ignore user option.

Not currently a forum-supported option.

People need to realize the ignore option is something that existed before computers.

As much as I want it to be unaltered, I can’t resist the prospect of finally seeing the OT in theaters, SE or no.

Unfortunately that doesn’t matter because I can’t go. It’ll be playing in Boston when I’m in LA and LA when I’m in Boston. Urgh.

Dek Rollins said:

One of my older brothers told me that someone he was talking to said something to the effect of “George Lucas already has the scripts for episodes 7 8 and 9 written.” This was back in like, 2007.

I was told the same thing back in 1999 or so.

Comparing the SW fanbase to the My Little Pony is extremely insulting - never do it again please. That being said really hardcore SW fans are often shit, though I think that would apply to most fanbases. The thing that’s great about SW and gives it probably the best fanbase is all the casual fans. SW is so universally beloved that you won’t often find people blindly overrating or criticizing the films. Basically, there’s a lot of love going around and not a lot of hyperbole.

Haha the Big Dig. Nice.

SilverWook said:

DominicCobb said:

Yes I am well aware that their eyes are not actually slit, I didn’t mean literally. Look at the pupils. Point remains. As I said I can buy it as a coincidence but it’s still an unfortunate one.

And if they all talked with a California surfer accent, nobody would even notice the eyes.

If the Episode III doc about designing General Grievous is typical of the process, characters are designed with just a vague description by George, and the concept artists never even see the script.

True. It’s the combination that’s problematic. And even if Georgie didn’t ask for slit-looking pupils, he still chose them and gave them the accent which could have easily been a choice made after seeing their design (again, not saying this was a conscious, racist decision).