moviefreakedmind said:

I’m sure that a crappy girl-power movie brings misogynists out of the woodwork, so I’m not doubting that, but I think we might be disagreeing on whether or not being opposed to remaking Ghostbusters with women is misogynist in and of itself.

EDIT: Also, I would call them apples and oranges, but because TFA was a real movie that happened to have a female lead; Ghostbusters is a pointless remake with one of its main purposes and gimmicks being replacing the original cast members with women. That’s why it’s so hated.

As I said, I’m sure a disastrous trailer like this with such a goofy premise draws misogynists in from all over the internet, but let’s not pretend that this would have been received well had it been the same trailer yet with four men.

Certainly there would be hate (honestly I haven’t seen the trailer so I can’t really comment on its quality) but yes my point is that the only reason the hate is record breaking is because of misogyny. And I’m not just talking about the fringe loony bigot contingent of the internet. The world isn’t binary and unfortunately there are a lot of subconscious misogynists out there too (lot of people don’t like to admit this fact). Can’t say with any certainty how many but it’s a factor.

Don’t know if disagreeing about remaking Ghostbusters with women is misogynistic or just close-minded. Nothing about the initial premise of the film necessitated a group of guys. I don’t think making it a group of women is so much a gimmick as it is the director just preferred to work with Wiig and McCarthy and then naturally felt that the whole team could be female. The cast is talented enough. I think the more people can think outside of the go-to male action hero/comedy protagonist standard the better. Ghostbusters was going to be remade anyway, in my mind an all female team actually makes me a bit more interesting (I personally feel remakes are pointless if you aren’t going to do a new take on the material - this definitely qualifies).

Godspeed ady. You’re in a better place now (not dead, just not here).

Most complaints about the score sounding off are sort of bs. The fact the the LSO didn’t do it and JW didn’t conduct everything has nothing to do with the fact that it sounds different (both, I believe, were done for health reasons).

The mix is a bit different than the other SW scores and the sound is different as well, but this is a different movie and a different trilogy. Each Star Wars film had a distinct main title performance before the PT where TPM’s was used for all three. Personally, I like the subtle differences between them. TFA’s first note doesn’t seem to have any percussion (or at least very little) going along with it which I assume is the reason people are complaining (ady’s version seems to add elements from the original). But I don’t have a problem with it as I don’t see it as any big of a difference than say ROTJ having the percussion come in early.

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

Unfortunately there’s really not much doubt about the dislike of the Ghostbusters trailer being due at least in part to misogyny.

Beloved movies/franchises getting reboot/remakes are far from something new (and neither are bad trailers). The volume here is telling (not to mention the comments).

Where was the massive backlash against TFA? I know some racist and misogynist fools came out and complained, but the trailers were received positively. The Ghostbusters trailer was received poorly because it was an unfunny trailer.

Apples and oranges. TFA wasn’t a reboot and featured returning cast members. One female lead vs. all. The trailers were fantastic.

Not saying the only reason why the Ghostbusters trailer is so disliked is because of misogyny, if it’s a bad trailer it’s gonna get dislikes, if it’s a bad trailer for a remake/reboot it’s gonna get dislikes. I’m just saying it’s the misogyny that is pushing this to record numbers.

Unfortunately there’s really not much doubt about the dislike of the Ghostbusters trailer being due at least in part to misogyny.

Beloved movies/franchises getting reboot/remakes are far from something new (and neither are bad trailers). The volume here is telling (not to mention the comments).

Honestly, from my recent experience, it’s definitely the people who haven’t seen Star Wars who get made fun of.

DuracellEnergizer said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

People in Gen. SW Discussion are actually considering the plausibility of a Mendelian view of the Force…

A Mendelian view of the

FORCE

My preferred explanation for the Force and Force-sensitivity:

The Force is like radio waves and all living things like radios. Most of these radios can only receive the waves, but some can transmit them, too. Why? They just can.

Never thought to describe it that way but yeah that’s sort of how I see it.

Yeah, I am legitimately curious as to how you accomplished this. It is quite impressive.

BATDANCE

Yup.

Tobar said:

That was the best part of the movie!

Honestly? Yeah. It was.

They both suck but yeah I think 3 is better.

moviefreakedmind said:

Possessed said:

Ted Nugent is also bonkers but I love his music. But no I never thought of Speaker for the Dead as sexist. One of the protagonists is a brilliant female scientists who makes many independent contributions without help from a man.

Ted Nugent is an awesome guitarist and rocker. Just because someone is nutty (or even downright despicable) does not mean their work should not be appreciated.

Honestly, yeah.

Scott109 said:

DominicCobb said:

Yeah it was definitely a retcon and a mostly pointless one at that. Just playing devil’s advocate.

I think if they had addressed the absurdity of the rule in-movie as one of the many reasons the Jedi order is somewhat broken and archaic and tied it into Anakin’s disillusionment with the order, I would be fine with it. But, of course, as is there’s no point beyond Lucas trying to make it an epic love story or whatever.

I thought that it was clear that Anakin’s disillusionment with the Jedi Order was the primary reason for the turn to the dark side after his desire to save Padmé. The Jedi Code forbade attachment to all worldy things, which kept him from his mother, whom he left as a vulnerable young boy, leading to her violent death. The Jedi Code forbade his marriage to Padmé, whom he loved more than life itself. When Anakin learned that the Jedi Council was planning to execute the democratically elected supreme chancellor without a trial and seize direct control of the Republic, Anakin became convinced that the Jedi Order was corrupt. From Anakin’s point of view, Palpatine sought to win the war against the separatists, whereas the Jedi Order only sought to maintain power. Palpatine had told him the dark side could save Padmé, whereas Master Yoda had told him, “Let go of everything you fear to lose.”

The Jedi Code taught Anakin to repress his fear, anger, hatred, and love. Palpatine taught Anakin to give into his repressed emotions, which he desperately desired to hear.

If the Jedi Code never forbade natural emotions such as love and attachment, Anakin would not have been seduced to the dark side.

Yeah this is how it was supposed to be/should have been, but it simply was not executed well enough to come across. Though there are reasons why Anakin would leave the order (attachment and all), the only reasoning we actually see him act upon is that Palpatine can save Padme (not to mention how fast and dramatically he turns). The pieces are all there, the dots just aren’t really connected on screen. This background is, at best, subtext. At worst, it’s nonexistent.

The Jedi Order had to be at least partially flawed, otherwise Anakin’s turn to the dark side would have been unbelievable.

They are clearly flawed but nothing in the films suggest that we, the audience, should think they are flawed. We hear Anakin whine in AOTC about “love” and whine about spying on Palpatine in ROTS. Not really any legitimate critiques of the way they operate. No questioning or doubt from Obi-Wan or Yoda about the way they operate.

Possessed said:

TV’s Frink said:

We already know how he behaves in real life.

“Hon, why have you been in the bathroom for 30 minutes?”

“GO AWAY MOM!”

People who haven’t actually been intimate with another person probably don’t take all that long. I’m guessing though, I don’t remember.

Well I figure he does it so much that it takes awhile now to get properly, uh, excited.

Yeah it was definitely a retcon and a mostly pointless one at that. Just playing devil’s advocate.

I think if they had addressed the absurdity of the rule in-movie as one of the many reasons the Jedi order is somewhat broken and archaic and tied it into Anakin’s disillusionment with the order, I would be fine with it. But, of course, as is there’s no point beyond Lucas trying to make it an epic love story or whatever.

Gaffer Tape said:

DominicCobb said:

In fairness, the fact that Luke’s father was a Jedi was kept secret.

Well, um, no. Ben was quite clear about that, actually.

Yeah I mean before Ben told him it was a secret.

JEDIT: Ah I get it you mean his reaction to learning that should have been different. Yeah maybe? But then how much does Luke really know about the Jedi anyway? If he doesn’t know what the force is is he really going to know Jedi rules and regulations?

Gaffer Tape said:

So if this has already been brought up, I apologize, but I haven’t been here in a while. But the idea that the Jedi were supposed to be celibate in the OT is rather difficult to swallow because, um, well, Luke exists. And, yet, the fact that he is the son of a revered Jedi is never given a second’s thought or mention. Now, if I didn’t know much about, say, my mother, only for someone she knew to reveal to me that she was a nun, I’d probably have a few questions about that. I mean, sure, it’s not IMPOSSIBLE for my mother to have been a nun at some point in her life, but it would still probably turn my head a bit and cause me to ask for some details as to how I came into being.

In fairness, the fact that Luke’s father was a Jedi was kept secret.

Dek Rollins said:

DominicCobb said:

Consider this, if I said my car can drive 200mph vs. my car can drive 200 flip florps, which is more impressive?)

That comparison makes absolutely no sense.

Exactly! If Han is saying “parsec” incorrectly as a bit of technobabble, then he must assume Luke and Ben don’t know what parsec means. So he might as well be saying flip florps, when he could instead be saying minutes or hours, which would make much more sense and therefore be a lot more impressive.

I just don’t get why he would just be making that up. “Made the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs.” If he told me that and it was just some random bullshit I would think “yeah okay, that means nothing to me.” If the Kessel Run is an actual thing and parsecs in this universe actually relate to time, and I heard that stat, I’d be like “okay, wow, maybe this is a fast ship.”

Lord Haseo said:

Dek Rollins said:
and the ‘14 parsecs’ line bothered me a lot.

I think we can all agree on that one. It was definitely the most shoehorned in reference to STAR WARS.

Completely disagree. One of my favorites lines. You get the impression in SW that almost every time Han talks about the Falcon he mentions 12 parsecs (though we only see it once). It’s the ship’s claim to fame. Makes total sense that Rey would mention the Kessel Run upon learning it’s the Falcon.

Of course, what really makes it is the 14 joke. Not just because it makes the exchange funny beyond “hey I remember that line,” but because it makes the galaxy feel real. Of course someone a thousand planets away would hear an inaccurate description of the Falcon. It makes sense. If she had said 12 I almost would have agreed that the line was unnecessary.

As for the whole “he was making shit up”/“parsec is a unit of distance” I say bullshit. I don’t care what parsec means in the real world. This is a fantasy film. Han said it as a legit stat (if parsec is a unit of distance in this galaxy, Han would know that. Yeah technobabble whatever but he would also know units of time, which presumably is something non-pilots know too, so his claim would be more impressive if he said something they could understand. Consider this, if I said my car can drive 200mph vs. my car can drive 200 flip florps, which is more impressive?). The other thing I loved about the 14 parsecs line the first time I saw it was it’s doubling down on the inaccuracy in a fun way. Basically “yeah, who cares. It’s still a part of Star Wars.”

The other reference line that people get unnecessarily worked up about is the trash compactor? Honestly WHY? Last time Han was on planet-destroying super-station he spent a good amount of time in a trash compactor (and not a comfortable way to pass the time either). Plus, Han’s a jokester. That’s what he does. If he suggests Phasma should go in the garbage chute, OBVIOUSLY he would then think of a trash compactor. It would have been out of character and a huge missed opportunity if he didn’t.

It’d be cool to see a comparison. I like the general look on the interior but outside looks a bit too bright and pink.

Very nice. What was your technique?

Honestly have no idea which side people are on with this hand holding thing but I’d like to just mention something people tend to forget which is Rey’s a loner, or at least fancies herself one. I figure that has more to do with the “don’t hold my hand” than anything else.

Yeah why can’t there be a billboard for something that actually matters?

TV’s Frink said:

Of course it was a dick answer - that’s what is in your pants! (Presumably)

I was going to make this exact joke. Too obvious I suppose.