DominicCobb

Tobar said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

How come y’all have a problem with this but not Luke’s expert piloting and his ability to use the force to target a laser torpedo into a narrow exhaust port with like ten minutes of training from Ben?

Edit: the only difference between the two characters that would make Rey a "Mary Sue " but not Luke is that Rey is a girl, and it’s really hard to pretend otherwise.

At the beginning of the film he’s shown playing with a model of his T-16 while his full size ship is in the background:

He tells Han, “I’m not such a bad pilot myself.”

Finn: "We need a pilot."
Rey: “We’ve got one.”

He mentions during the briefing his experience with his T-16.

Rey says after they escape that she’s used simulators before.

Although cut from the theatrical release, Luke is questioned about his piloting skill and Biggs vouches for him, “Sir, Luke is the best bushpilot in the Outer Rim territories.” This scene would later be reinstated in the SE.

If we’re talking stuff from beyond the movie, a quick look at Wookieepedia shows that Rey has spent most of her life learning about ships, working on them, and using simulators.

As for expert piloting, in the opening moments of the battle Luke almost kills himself after flying too close to the surface.

Remember this?

Rey almost crashes the Falcon as soon as it takes off. Most of her maneuvers could be considered luck (or perhaps Ben would say the will of the Force guiding her) and are done with little precision.

Later he’s almost killed by a Tie Fighter until Wedge swoops in and saves him.

Falcon gets a couple hits in the chase too.

Luke is a flawed character that makes mistakes.

Rey on the other hand, never makes a mistake and is the best at everything she tries.

Not quite. Rey unleashes the Rathtars on Han’s freighter by accident. Her main flaw is her insecurity, causing her to run away from Maz’s castle and the initial call to the Force (and Han’s job offer). She’s confident in many ways, but isn’t cocky (having to repeatedly encourage herself while piloting “I can do this, I can do this.”). Is she the best at everything? I don’t think so. She’s not even the best new pilot in this movie (Poe can fly anything). Is she good with a lightsaber? Kinda, at least enough to beat a guy who’s got a pretty gnarly wound. Does that make her the best? Don’t think so. Is she the best at repairing shit and knowing her way around a ship? She’s up there, but fuck man she must have been doing something all those years on Jakku.

She’s highly skilled, sure, but she’s not perfect. She feels real, to me at least. Her incredible Force abilities are of course a whole other thing entirely but this is a fantasy film and I’m interested to see where the next episodes take her from here. Remember Luke’s impatience wasn’t a real factor until ESB. I mean it’s there in SW but it doesn’t change anything, he still does everything he sets out to do and never makes a mistake.

Another thing about Rey’s piloting abilities is that it didn’t at all seem like she 100% knew what she was doing right away. Don’t forget she barely got it off the ground and seemed to be flying by the seat of her pants for much of the chase.

Tobar said:

What’s his face earlier was no doubt sexist in tone, but there really is no denying that Rey was a legitimate Mary Sue.

Eh I think there is.

• She could not only pilot, but was AN EXPERT PILOT pulling off insane maneuvers that a decades long practiced veteran would have trouble pulling off

I’d say a combo of using latent Force abilities and the film over exaggerating for the sake of the action.

• She knew the Falcon’s systems better than Han (this one I found the most egregious)

Not quite true. She knew the systems better because they had been updated since Han last used the Falcon.

• She figured out how to mind trick someone with no training

This is probably the only thing I have an issue with.

DuracellEnergizer said:

The first three seasons of Rugrats are 60-70% as good as classic Simpsons.

First three seasons… or basically when you were watching it?

dahmage said:

DominicCobb said:

Lord Haseo said:

If that’s how you feel. Still happened and explains how she managed to fly the Falcon.

EDIT:

She found the ship and I think the flight simulator was in there as well. So with that being said there’s nothing wrong with any of this.

The key thing that people miss is that Unkar Plutt raised her on Jakku. She hasn’t been on her own the whole time. I imagine growing up she was a sort of servant to Plutt, working for him (on ships and such, which is why she knows so much about the Falcon - his ship) until she was probably 18 or so and then had to fend for herself. Would be smart for him to teach her to know the ways around a ship so that if he needed repairs he could just get her for dirt cheap.

great points all.

I will say, so little back story was explained, that i guess you could either go the accept it for now route, which some of us are taking, or you could go the ‘it isn’t all explained therefore it is dumb’ route, which a few others are taking. Since it is a story, i choose the ‘accept if for now’ route.

Hilarious because if it had all been spelled out people would be complaining that they didn’t leave anything up to the imagination or whatever.

I think the few lines in there were enough, and everything else can be reasonably assumed. Remember, all we knew about Luke’s piloting skills was that he knew how to “bullseye womprats in [his] T-16” whatever that means. No one had any trouble going along with that, even though he’s probably never flown an X-Wing before. If anything I’d say they gave a lot more reason to believe Rey could pilot the Falcon than Luke an X-Wing.

Oh wait except she’s a girl whoops I forgot, any skills she has are just feminist bs.

Lord Haseo said:

TV’s Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

Lord Haseo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Nickelodeon had quality programming? I don’t remember that.

Late 1990’s and early 2000’s were the shit for Nickelodeon.

I want to agree, but that’s only because that’s exactly when I was watching it.

Exactly!

Look, I loved You Can’t Do That On Television and Double Dare, but let’s be honest, they sucked.

Hey Dude probably sucked too.

Spongebob, Fairly Odd Parents, Drake and Josh, Danny Phantom, Rugrats, Hey Mothafuckin Arnold…come on man.

If I could rematch these and get past the nostalgia… I’m not sure I’d be too impressed.

Lord Haseo said:

If that’s how you feel. Still happened and explains how she managed to fly the Falcon.

EDIT:

She found the ship and I think the flight simulator was in there as well. So with that being said there’s nothing wrong with any of this.

The key thing that people miss is that Unkar Plutt raised her on Jakku. She hasn’t been on her own the whole time. I imagine growing up she was a sort of servant to Plutt, working for him (on ships and such, which is why she knows so much about the Falcon - his ship) until she was probably 18 or so and then had to fend for herself. Would be smart for him to teach her to know the ways around a ship so that if he needed repairs he could just get her for dirt cheap.

Lord Haseo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Nickelodeon had quality programming? I don’t remember that.

Late 1990’s and early 2000’s were the shit for Nickelodeon.

I want to agree, but that’s only because that’s exactly when I was watching it.

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

Stereotype isn’t really the right word (more archetype) and I’m glad they didn’t base them on the original characters. There are vague similarities, but that’s where it ends. Glad we got something new in that regard.

I suppose it’s new in terms of Ghostbusters, but the sassy black lady, weirdo lesbian, and the boring and awkward intellectual are not what I’d call original or new.

Just because the archetype might be familiar doesn’t mean the characters are (as in they’re more than the archetype). My point being these aren’t the same characters that we saw in the original (which is a good thing).

Stereotype isn’t really the right word (more archetype) and I’m glad they didn’t base them on the original characters. There are vague similarities, but that’s where it ends. Glad we got something new in that regard.

Admiral Motti said:

Why do we need anymore posts from you?

Because my opinion is just as valid as anyone else’s here.

Well that depends on whether one thinks the opinion of a misogynist is valid.

Admiral Motti said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

Admiral Motti said:

I would probably love this film if Kyle Katarn was in it. As it is, I’m not interested and have no plans to see it. Two Star Wars movies with a female lead…, it’s all just feminist BS.

You’re absolutely right, Star Wars is for men!!! I’ll take a universe full of spacefaring humanoid aliens that usually speak English, basically use magic, build giant planet-destroying superweapons, and fight with laserswords, but if those aliens are women then that’s totally implausible feminist nonsense!

[end sarcastic rant]

Well, we already had Rey, who could outfight Kylo Ren, though she never picked up a lightsaber before. She could also fly the Millennium Falcon without any training as a spaceship pilot. She was absolute perfection and showed those men a thing or two, so why do we need another female lead in the next film?

Why do we need anymore posts from you?

ATMachine said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Lord Haseo said:

This is kind of depressing actually.

Ezra’s eyes aren’t the right shade of blue. Automatic fail.

Personally I think it’s depressing because of Kanan’s execrable facial hair. Someday we’ll look back on that and go “ha ha ha, what a stupid 2000s style that was.”

It’s never not been stupid. Which is why I’m thankful they went full beard for S3.

What’s up

Spoiler:

Keyser Soze was dead the whole time.

also if you haven’t seen the movie DON’T look up Keyser Soze.

doubleofive said:

ray_afraid said:

^ I agree with everything you said, except wanting to see more. I’ll check out the next season, but I really feel I got everything I wanted out of this and feel no need to find out anymore about what was/is going on.

Same here. Like most cool short series, I wish this was an anthology show in the same vein. I don’t particularly care to find out the answers to any of the mysteries in S1.

I think the primary directive behind the second season will be more telling a new story with the same characters. The Duffer bros. have said themselves that it’s more a sequel than another season, if that makes sense.

Ronster said:

A Preservative also keeps something to last longer than it would do without it.

As nice and as amazing as the original unaltered film is… If it’s rotten or showing moldy bit’s on it you won’t want to consume it.

It’s not an argument I get it. But how many people want moldy or rotten bits.

Being Marketable is a very important factor also.

The “moldy” and “rotten bits” are things that have been in the film since the beginning so your analogy doesn’t make sense.

What you’re asking for simply has nothing to do with the this project’s goals.

Really liked the new one. This season has been pretty solid so far, if nothing special (yet).

Also, one question about a couple weeks back, is Wedge really supposed to be that young?

Ronster said:

The running time of “Rogue One” has been revealed via an Australian listing to be 133 minutes.

The Usual complaints about it’s not long enough have ensued after this leak.

Let’s hope it’s tight and well paced.

Let’s not forget this is well within the range of average SW film runtime.

I believe everyone’s guess at the time was that it was done to make the movie look less like a cartoon. Which it kind of did.

I haven’t cared about baseball in a long time, but as someone who grew up getting the chance to see the Red Sox break their curse, I sympathize and am rooting for the Cubs to finally do the same.

Haven’t seen Glover in much be he’s obviously talented and, most importantly, I trust Lord and Miller. For people worried about continuity, I think the best way to approach this is to not really think about that like they’re playing the exact same people. I’m actually really excited for this. Should be a very fun film about some of my favorite characters, who happen to be played by new people (with likely new interpretations). It worked with Star Trek, should work here. I’d rather the actors embody the spirit of Han and Lando rather than just be exact copies of HF and BDW.

DominicCobb said:

“That lightsaber… it belongs to me.”

(Still very proud of this.)

“You are beaten. It is useless to resist.”

It’d be a real shame if Matthew Fox ended his career without having done a Mitt Romney biopic.

Album: 8/10
Album Art: 7/10

Not quite the same as it’s predecessor, Koyaanisqatsi. Though I suppose more of the same wouldn’t be anything special. Still, not quite the same.