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#1020168
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Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread
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joefavs said:

TV’s Frink said:

Thought it was pretty great, although I’d rate it a bit behind TFA, mostly because I just didn’t enjoy the actors and characters as much. Donnie was great, Alan was great, Felicity was very good, and I did enjoy Tarkin, but otherwise there was too much “meh” character-wise. Especially the main dude protagonist, he got a ton of screen time and I found him to be very not interesting, as a character and as an actor. I can’t even remember his name.

The ending was fantastic.

ANH 9.5/10
ESB 9.4/10
TFA 8.8/10
RO 8.6/10
ROTJ 7.9/10
TPM 4.4/10
ROTS 3.1/10
AOTC 0.1/10

So glad to see someone else putting TFA ahead for the same reason. Jones and Luna both gave wonderful performances, but the writing just wasn’t there. I actually really loved every member of the main gang except the two main ones. Donnie Yen was just spectacular, and Riz Ahmed really endeared his character to me in spite of not having a hell of a lot to do.

I liked what there was of the new characters but there wasn’t much. Rogue One honestly doesn’t even come close to TFA for me. Add all the RO characters up and mulitply by 10 and I still don’t care as much about them as Rey (or even Finn or Kylo Ren).

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#1019941
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ZkinandBonez said:

DominicCobb said:

Well… the less said about those the better. I think technically E.T. was also more or less canon via some now Legends stuff.

“Legends stuff”?

The E.T. aliens are still visible in TPM.

Well of course but some Legends stuff all but confirmed a direct link to the film:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Asogian

ZkinandBonez said:

DominicCobb said:

Europe doesn’t count

Why not? We got both TFA and RO before the US.

Exactly, fuck you guys

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doubleofive said:

A bit slow to start, but once it got moving it rolled right where I wanted it to go.

It’s funny how mostly everyone seems to agree on this. I do wonder though when people thought it started to get going. Personally I only really got tripped up (as I said before) by Cassian and Bodhi’s first scenes, figured everything out in the Yavin briefing, and finally got really into it once they were on Jedha. But I’ve heard some people say they didn’t get into until Eadu which I think is interesting. I wonder if it’s because I read Catalyst and more or less completely understood right out of the gate the Erso/Krennic conflict and Death Star engineering backstory.

It did feel like a big budget fan film, but there’s not necessarily anything wrong with that.

You know, when I first heard this I sort of scoffed it off, but it does make sense. Usually I think of that claim as a negative one (most fan films I’ve seen are not great), but in some ways it applies, and not in necessarily bad ways. The fan film kind of reverence for the source material is there but thankfully not overly so.

I loved the subtle ones, like using the exact shame shots of people preparing to fire the DS laser both times (which the filmmakers do in ANH and RotJ).

Haha yes! Loved that little touch.

Now the Star Wars franchise is expanding the universe, making “Star Wars” a setting and not just the Skywalker/Hero’s Journey arc, which is hard for some people to grasp. This is why they started with Episode VII and why JJ played it so safe. It was easing us into this change of concept. Eventually, we’ll move into the franchise mindset (admittedly easier for those who’ve been consuming the books/cartoons).

Yeah, honestly in so many ways Rogue One is really the first EU movie. Which is pretty cool.

Tobar said:

doubleofive said:

Now the Star Wars franchise is expanding the universe, making “Star Wars” a setting

This has always been my view of the franchise. I’ve never understood people who hold such an incredibly narrow understanding(Jedi, Hero’s Journey, Skywalkers) of it.

I guess it depends what you mean by franchise. The larger franchise, absolutely I agree. Goddam would it be boring if every single book/cartoon/video game was just another Skywalker story. But when it comes to the main storyline I definitely feel personally that it’s not Star Wars without those very aspects.

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What I find pretty interesting is it seems like in a lot of cases people disappointed by TFA are really loving this and maybe a little vice versa. I guess that’s just the nature of Star Wars, that people look for different things in it. So I’m glad then that now we have both. I still think that this was maybe too soon for a standalone but otherwise I’m quite happy with the overall direction Disney has taken the franchise.

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Ryan McAvoy said:

DominicCobb said:

they easily could have cut Cassian and Bodhi’s first scenes which would have really simplified it.

With my fanediting hat on, that definitely occurred to me at first but then later in the movie you realise that the Cassian scene (where he murders an informant) was really needed to make the audience believe that he was a killer fully capable of assassinating Galen if he’d chosen to do so. Bodhi’s intro was less essential.

Hmm, I suppose so, though I think simply knowing he’s a Rebel who’s ready to follow orders and do whatever’s necessary is enough. He doesn’t seem to show any reservations when he’s given the task.

DominicCobb said:

Only thing I can think of is Vader saying “beamed” though I’m sure there’s an explanation.

You mean he says “beamed” in ANH but it’s not beamed in R1? I forget what exactly happened in the chaos of the battle. Jyn “beamed” the plans to the fleet and then it was later on a disc.

Yeah but the plans weren’t beamed to the Tantive, it was beamed to another ship and then put on a different disk and handed off to someone on the Tantive (while Darth Vader was massacring) and then the Tantive flew away, at least that’s what it looked like to me. I suppose a possible explanation is Vader didn’t realize that and just assumed incorrectly that they were beamed directly to the Tantive?

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Jeebus said:

DominicCobb said:

On a separate note, I loved the Rebels reference that I caught (and am hopeful to find that other two that I’ve heard of on my next viewing). I really want the show to do some sort of crossover. There could easily be a way to work in an episode with Saw and his band on Jedha, or something with Cassian, Blue Leader, Raddus, or any of the other Rebels featured in the film. I’m also think it’d be really cool if the show lead right into Rogue One, and maybe even showed the Ghost’s perspective during the final battle (although I guess that might sort of depend on the fates of the crew up to that point).

The only one I noticed was the Ghost appearing among the rebel fleet. What were the others?

I didn’t notice that one but heard about it. While on Yavin over the intercom there’s a reference to a General Syndulla (which I caught). Apparently during the same scene Chopper makes an appearance.

Also, not a reference but I noticed Steve Blum (who voices Zeb and a number of stormtroopers and Rebels on the show) voiced a shore trooper, or at least it sounded like him. Will be interesting to learn who else provided additional voices (for TFA at least they seemed to bring in most of the TCW and Rebels regulars).

Speaking of stormtrooper dialogue, got a kick out of the BT-16 reference.

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On a separate note, I loved the Rebels reference that I caught (and am hopeful to find that other two that I’ve heard of on my next viewing). I really want the show to do some sort of crossover. There could easily be a way to work in an episode with Saw and his band on Jedha, or something with Cassian, Blue Leader, Raddus, or any of the other Rebels featured in the film. I’m also think it’d be really cool if the show lead right into Rogue One, and maybe even showed the Ghost’s perspective during the final battle (although I guess that might sort of depend on the fates of the crew up to that point).

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joefavs said:

Now that we’ve finally seen Vader full on wreck some shit, I hope they leave him well alone going forward. I thought he was fine in this, but James Earl Jones just sounds tired these days. I really appreciate how plodding and un-acrobatic he was in his slaughter scene at the end.

Yeah, I agree. I think most of us deep down kind of always wanted to see him just go fucking nuts so it was good to to finally satiate that, and in such a way that doesn’t totally embarrass him. But yes, I think it might be time to put the character to rest (especially now that we finally have that one last piece, I mean, what more do we really need? We saw his house too for chrissakes).

I thought the score didn’t use nearly as much Williams as it should have. Liberal use of the rebel fanfare and a few more Force themes could have anchored this to the saga more firmly.

I thought the amount of Force theme was just about right but I think the Rebel fanfare really should have been felt all over. And while I’m glad the Imperial march was kept to a minimum, am I wrong in saying we heard it only once? Surely that can’t be right, but either way for a theme that I had hoped would be underutilized it was so probably more than it should have. And I was SO happy to hear the original Imperial theme from SW, but, again, just once? If you remembered it, why not a bit more? And where’s that four note Death Star motif? Surely this was the exact time and place to bring it back. I liked the score in general (will need to listen to it to form a better opinion) and while I’m glad Williams wasn’t relied upon, this seems a bit too far?

Retconning the exhaust port into an intentional sabotage was kind of brilliant. I’m glad they found a way to put that to bed once and for all.

Yes! It’s rare that I not only welcome a retcon, but greet it with a “wow, that’s so perfect!”

Also, hilarious that they kept in the same faulty schematic from the original with the misplaced dish. That gave me a good laugh.

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Hardcore Legend said:

I actually think this should have been two films. I think all the exposition they tried to cram in to get you backstory in the first 45 minutes should have been in a separate film, allowing us to jump off with the rescue mission of Erso and the trip to Jedha. Jyn’s childhood just didn’t fit in the film and I think it made it seem like they couldn’t find a better way to tell you how the Erso’s got to this point.

God two films… and here I am just starting to wonder if they ever really gave much of a reason for even the one existing (beyond it being really cool and fun to watch).

I liked how they intercut Rebel pilots from ANH into this film, with the nod to needing a new Red 5.

Haha yeah I loved that bit.

digitalfreaknyc said:

Hardcore Legend said:

I actually think this should have been two films. I think all the exposition they tried to cram in to get you backstory in the first 45 minutes should have been in a separate film, allowing us to jump off with the rescue mission of Erso and the trip to Jedha. Jyn’s childhood just didn’t fit in the film and I think it made it seem like they couldn’t find a better way to tell you how the Erso’s got to this point.

Gee…I wonder how they could have gotten that exposition done. What would have been a better way to tell you the backstory you needed to know before a Star Wars movie started? 😃

Eh, I don’t think so. The exposition wasn’t what was important there. They easily could have explained all the relevant info through dialogue. What was important was the emotional content, to which I think they could have (and should have) done more.

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#1019747
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Saw it, really liked it. Truly thoroughly entertaining throughout.

Not a lot of complaints. The beginning jumps around way too much (I’m sure most will agree), they easily could have cut Cassian and Bodhi’s first scenes which would have really simplified it. CG Tarkin (and Leia) weren’t as bad as I expected but also weren’t perfect. Pretty close though honestly (especially when they’re not talking). Red and Gold leader were really fun too and the only cameos I wasn’t expecting (well besides Dr. Evazan and Ponda Baba but I wasn’t too crazy about that one). The bits with Vader were kinda fan servicey. I’ll say I’m okay with the second because it was pretty cool but the first was sort of pointless (and shot poorly as well). The fact that everyone died was kind of nice, a luxury that the other films don’t have. Made for some powerful moments. Still, it kind of teetered on feeling contrived with each character being ticked off one by one (with some of the deaths less graceful than others). Finally, and those were mainly nitpicks, my main beef with the film is how close it comes to greatness but doesn’t quite reach it. It was all set up perfectly - the first real war movie in the franchise, gritty, etc., all about the Rebel alliance and the different methods of the different factions within it. They just about scratch the surface, but don’t quite get to saying much interesting on the nature of morality in war/revolution. And the new characters, I do like them all, but I don’t care as much about their suffering as I think I should. I wanted more from them. I didn’t feel nearly sad enough when Galen died, and I read Catalyst (I can only imagine how I’d have felt if I hadn’t). Honestly at the very least I’d have loved to see that father/daughter dynamic expanded upon. And Krennic? What happened there? A true standout in Catalyst and really not much more than another Imperial here, honestly. Too bad.

Ultimately it’s just sort of a blockbuster, which is okay, that is exactly what it is, but I do believe it could have been a bit more. I hate to say that the stylistic change it made from the saga films was to just become a bit more generic sic-fi action movie, but, I think that might be sort of true. Still, it was really fun to see a movie in my the universe without the usual feel. And damn, my review is starting to sound pretty negative but I pretty much had a grin on my face the full runtime. This is one fun movie, with some fantastic visuals and action sequences. Pretty excited to see it again tomorrow night.

Not as good as TFA, though.

On another note, super fascinating to watch the trailers after the fact. Seriously wow. Watching the movie I occasionally wonder what might’ve been reshoots but it was all pretty seamless. But having seen the trailers, there were definitely some big changes made, especially in regards in Jyn and Cassian’s characterizations. You can sort of get a sense of how things might have played out from them but I’d love a full explanation as to what got changed during the reshoots.

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#1019266
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SkyderHouseMafia said:

I’m not a fan of the crash/whip/whatever-zoom either, it feels too pointed, videoish and “hey look at this guys!”. Although hypocritically I give Tarantino a pass on this as I feel it’s quite appropriate for his films…

Tarantino does it for fun but usually the move is intended to give a sort of documentary look to the shot. So personally don’t think it feels all that out of place in the franchise (but I certainly think it is something that should be used minimally, if at all).

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#1019231
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Tyrphanax said:

DominicCobb said:

Tyrphanax said:

joefavs said:

I was uneasy about the cinematography while the trailers for TFA were coming out (particularly that whip-zoom on the Falcon entering the Star Destroyer wreck), but I’ve grown used to it and it doesn’t bother me at all any more. It’s certainly better than that god awful slow zoom thing that’s going on perpetually in the PT.

Yeah, I hate the whip-zoom. But they pioneered that for Star Wars in the PT.

Technically there’s at least one of those in Empire.

And I think the one TFA snap-zoom actually works fairly well (as in there’s a point to it).

Is there? I don’t remember it…

At around the :31 second mark:
https://youtu.be/7FQNIoVLSdw?t=30s

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#1019228
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Tyrphanax said:

joefavs said:

I was uneasy about the cinematography while the trailers for TFA were coming out (particularly that whip-zoom on the Falcon entering the Star Destroyer wreck), but I’ve grown used to it and it doesn’t bother me at all any more. It’s certainly better than that god awful slow zoom thing that’s going on perpetually in the PT.

Yeah, I hate the whip-zoom. But they pioneered that for Star Wars in the PT.

Technically there’s at least one of those in Empire.

And I think the one TFA snap-zoom actually works fairly well (as in there’s a point to it).