DominicCobb

MalàStrana said:

I wonder what I will really think of it in a few years when the hype is down, when I’m older.

WYSHS

darthrush said:

MalàStrana said:

A complete negation of Star Wars in a boring and empty movie (almost nothing happens during the first 90 minutes), where characters are never constructed, have no story arcs, with terrible actors who deliver dialogues that are laughable (“save the rebellion… save the dream”… “rebellions are built on hope”… “I hate sand, it’s…” no, not this one, for a second I thought so…). It even beats Lucas on his own field of destroying continuity (rebels will become dumb and forget how to destroy Star Destroyer… so Leia is just above the planet where the shit happens ?.. oh, the death star is already operational then… so Tarkin is no longer arrogant at the end of SW, he’s plain stupid when we consider the efficiency of the rebel fleet: man, you really should evacuate you know !), but that’s not the worst, I can live with minor inconsistencies, as long as they are put in a decent movie. Rogue One is not. Not even close. Not only a terrible SW: it’s a terrible movie on its own. You want a true war movie, with emotion and war scenes with an insane creativity achievement, with layered characters and powerful themes ? Go watch Hacksaw Ridge. Rogue one is a dry piece of shit. In comparaison the awful episode 7 looks good (movie that I quite enjoyed at my first screening). I don’t blame Gareth: he never had the choice to make the good war movie he had in mind, the gap in quality with his interesting Godzilla is huge. I won’t even mention the lame fanservice (“blue milk… blue milk everywhere !”) and the ethical issue of recreating dead performances (great cgi, not perfect yet but this technology is amazing… pointless but amazing). I wanted so badly to like it, at least a few sequences, at least a few shots.

The special edition was the first stroke, but it still was Star Wars. The PT was a disappointment partially saved by the unique qualities of its third act in spite of key sequences completely failed, and it was for me the end of Star Wars, the second stroke, but it still was Star Wars, bad but unique and fascinating. The Disney Era is no longer Star Wars: the “Star Wars body snatcher” era. An insult to the saga and, by extension, to the Cinema. I’m really sad, but now it’s time for me to let it go.

0/10

Couldn’t disagree more but I still respect your opinion

I don’t! 0/10 is objectively stupid as shit.

darthrush said:

Just saw Rogue One for a second time. Found myself enjoying the first act a lot more since I knew the plot better this time around.

Yeah upon rewatch the planet hopping isn’t much of an issue (and you get why those scenes are there). Unfortunately for me, while I still really enjoyed the film second time around, it wasn’t any better (unlike say TFA which improves on subsequent viewings) so I think that might be it for me and the movie in the theater. See you on the BD flip flop RO.

-After seeing Darth Vader’s final scene a second time, it might just be in my top 3 Star Wars moments of all time. Takes my breath away every time. Easily the best scene of the entire movie for me.

Don’t know if I’d go that far but yeah the scene is just something to behold. I was enthralled the first time I saw but was immediately worried afterward that it was a case of too good to be true and that it was just something I really wanted and would diminish on repeat viewings. But damn it’s still holds.

darklordoftech said:

DominicCobb said:

joefavs said:

DominicCobb said:

Interested to hear an explanation as to why Vader’s spending his days on the planet where he lost his arm, legs, lungs, hair, perfect skin, and wife.

I figured he chose it because of all of his negative associations with the place, so that he can cultivate angst and hatred to fuel his power. I saw a blurb from Hidalgo’s visual dictionary that said his meditation chamber overlooks the location of his duel with Obi-Wan. I bet he often just stares out at that and stews in the bad vibes.

I guess the dark side is fueled by pain… but then why no trip to Tatooine?

I’m guessing that it’s because Tatooine reminds him that he was Anakin while Mustafar reminds him that Obi-Wan wronged him.

Okay. So he’s stewing in anger thinking about dicky Obi. Wouldn’t he then want to find him?

joefavs said:

EDIT: I misunderstood, I thought you were suggesting he should have built his digs on Tatooine. In the canon comics he actually does go back to Tatooine shortly after the events of ANH and slaughters another village of Tuskens just to kill time waiting for Boba Fett to meet him.

Wait… the fuck? Is this just like a hobby of his or something?

ray_afraid said:

DominicCobb said:

ray_afraid said:

DominicCobb said:

joefavs said:

DominicCobb said:

Interested to hear an explanation as to why Vader’s spending his days on the planet where he lost his arm, legs, lungs, hair, perfect skin, and wife.

I figured he chose it because of all of his negative associations with the place, so that he can cultivate angst and hatred to fuel his power. I saw a blurb from Hidalgo’s visual dictionary that said his meditation chamber overlooks the location of his duel with Obi-Wan. I bet he often just stares out at that and stews in the bad vibes.

I guess the dark side is fueled by pain… but then why no trip to Tatooine?

Because he’s never been there and the guy who told you that story was a lying drunk.

But Owen thought he should have stayed there and not gotten involved?

I was talking about Obi-Wan! 😉

Haha nice.

ray_afraid said:

DominicCobb said:

joefavs said:

DominicCobb said:

Interested to hear an explanation as to why Vader’s spending his days on the planet where he lost his arm, legs, lungs, hair, perfect skin, and wife.

I figured he chose it because of all of his negative associations with the place, so that he can cultivate angst and hatred to fuel his power. I saw a blurb from Hidalgo’s visual dictionary that said his meditation chamber overlooks the location of his duel with Obi-Wan. I bet he often just stares out at that and stews in the bad vibes.

I guess the dark side is fueled by pain… but then why no trip to Tatooine?

Because he’s never been there and the guy who told you that story was a lying drunk.

But Owen thought he should have stayed there and not gotten involved?

joefavs said:

DominicCobb said:

Interested to hear an explanation as to why Vader’s spending his days on the planet where he lost his arm, legs, lungs, hair, perfect skin, and wife.

I figured he chose it because of all of his negative associations with the place, so that he can cultivate angst and hatred to fuel his power. I saw a blurb from Hidalgo’s visual dictionary that said his meditation chamber overlooks the location of his duel with Obi-Wan. I bet he often just stares out at that and stews in the bad vibes.

I guess the dark side is fueled by pain… but then why no trip to Tatooine?

suspiciouscoffee said:

DominicCobb said:

Why would anyone want to do a four dot ellipsis. . . .

How did I know this would happen. . . .

Notice that the ellipsis there has spaces between the dots.

SilverWook said:

IIRC, Vader’s home does exist as some old pre ROTJ concept art.

Yeah I believe it began life as an ESB concept.

Tyrphanax said:

DominicCobb said:

Jeebus said:

Was that lava planet Mustafar or Sullust?

Pablo Hidalgo confirmed the former.

Interested to hear an explanation as to why Vader’s spending his days on the planet where he lost his arm, legs, lungs, hair, perfect skin, and wife.

The visual is certainly cool though. Plus maybe Rebels reference - “Mustafar is where Jedi go to die.”

(and I don’t think Sullust would make sense anyway - why would the Rebel fleet mass around Vader’s hangout world?)

I like to think Palpatine built it for him as a gift and a bit of a cruel joke. It feels like something he’d do.

True.

Jeebus said:

Was that lava planet Mustafar or Sullust?

Pablo Hidalgo confirmed the former.

Interested to hear an explanation as to why Vader’s spending his days on the planet where he lost his arm, legs, lungs, hair, perfect skin, and wife.

The visual is certainly cool though. Plus maybe Rebels reference - “Mustafar is where Jedi go to die.”

(and I don’t think Sullust would make sense anyway - why would the Rebel fleet mass around Vader’s hangout world?)

Why would anyone want to do a four dot ellipsis. . . .

Felicity Jones… now there’s a squirrel face if Mala ever saw one.

Rogue One: tells story explained in first minute of 40 year old movie = something new

Tyrphanax said:

Smoking Lizard said:

DominicCobb said:

Well are you? Do you really think Johnson is going to direct his film towards 5-10 year olds?

Well, in my mind, that’s what’s great about Rogue One – it’s changed the discussion. It’s changing fan expectations. All in extremely good ways.

Rogue One is a home run. It’s a spectacular film. A game changer. My only criticism is the music score. It was good but not great. Other than that, I could not have asked for a better Star Wars film. Third-best film in the franchise, easily.

It’s interesting. I listened to the score very closely because of things I’d heard and I found it to be okay. It was very Williams-esque, with lots of nice references, but it wasn’t heavy-handed about it and still sounded original.

However, it also didn’t really have any stand-out themes apart from ones we know.

But that could tie into this being a galaxy-building story film and not a character-driven “human interest” film.

I’ve listened a bit to the soundtrack and like it. Probably doesn’t place above any of the proper Williams scores. It does sound very much the style, which is cool and expected, if a bit unfortunate. Like the film itself I wish it had done more to distance itself from the classic Star Wars tone and be more like a classic war film.

There seems to be at least four new themes: a Rogue One (“Hope”) theme, a Jyn theme, an Imperial theme, and a Baze/Chirrut theme. I quite like them all but time will tell to what extent. The Rogue One theme is sort of a fun play on the main SW theme but in certain instances feels almost knock-off-ish. Jyn’s theme is nice and feels like almost like Rey’s theme oddly but still cool on its own terms. The imperial theme is solid. Wish they used the original one from SW more, but there are a couple references (and even the Death Star motif which I missed first time around). The Guardians of the Whills theme is pretty cool and seems kind of like has roots in the Force theme which is a nice touch.

Still wish the Rebel fanfare got more play.

Jesus

Ronster said:

DominicCobb said:

Ronster said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

Smoking Lizard said:

TV’s Frink said:

Watching TFA last year and RO this year have made the PT even more irrelevant in my mind because they’ve hammered home how poorly executed the PT is.

RO also renders TFA irrelevant. The reality for the fan base hasn’t fully burned in yet, but RO has grabbed the reins of the SW franchise and jammed it back on track. It’s a coup. In the end, Disney is going to have to rethink the direction of episodes 8 and 9 based on the sensational execution of RO.

Yeah ok. Good luck with that. RO will make a percentage of what TFA did, which was all because of repeat business and the OT actors. If the movie sucked people wouldn’t have come back to it. And, btw, reviews for TFA are better than RO. There’s MUCH more “heart” in TFA than there is in RO and you care a helluva lot more about the characters.
That’s not a slam against RO, which I loved, but my excitement about it has been tempered by subsequent viewings.

Personally what I take away from it is that Episode eight will be aimed at 5 - 10 year olds and the Anthologies hopefully will be aiming at higher age ranges teens to adults.

I don’t feel the sequel trilogy is really aimed at adults or at least that is my current perception unless they make the sequel trilogy more mature.

Give a fucking break. Star Wars films have always been for EVERYONE and have always had the power to make adults feel like a kid again. Just because Rogue One killed everyone doesn’t mean it’s aimed for adults and TFA isn’t. TFA is tonally on par with the OT and RO is a bit different by design. If you can’t handle stories that aren’t what you consider “more mature” that’s too bad for you. But saying Ep8 will be aimed toward 5-10 year olds is just ridiculous.

I really liked Looper by Rian Johnson… Are you Happy now?

Well are you? Do you really think Johnson is going to direct his film towards 5-10 year olds?

digitalfreaknyc said:

And, btw, I know EVERYONE is loving the Vader scene (as did I) but I’ll be the guy to throw a huge monkey wrench in the Vader-orgy going on:
With one force pull, he grabbed 5-6 blasters. Couldn’t he have done the exact same thing with the plans that the soldier was holding? One force pull and he’s got them. Done.

Continue…

It’s unclear if he even realizes that guy has the plans.

Ronster said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

Smoking Lizard said:

TV’s Frink said:

Watching TFA last year and RO this year have made the PT even more irrelevant in my mind because they’ve hammered home how poorly executed the PT is.

RO also renders TFA irrelevant. The reality for the fan base hasn’t fully burned in yet, but RO has grabbed the reins of the SW franchise and jammed it back on track. It’s a coup. In the end, Disney is going to have to rethink the direction of episodes 8 and 9 based on the sensational execution of RO.

Yeah ok. Good luck with that. RO will make a percentage of what TFA did, which was all because of repeat business and the OT actors. If the movie sucked people wouldn’t have come back to it. And, btw, reviews for TFA are better than RO. There’s MUCH more “heart” in TFA than there is in RO and you care a helluva lot more about the characters.
That’s not a slam against RO, which I loved, but my excitement about it has been tempered by subsequent viewings.

Personally what I take away from it is that Episode eight will be aimed at 5 - 10 year olds and the Anthologies hopefully will be aiming at higher age ranges teens to adults.

I don’t feel the sequel trilogy is really aimed at adults or at least that is my current perception unless they make the sequel trilogy more mature.

Give a fucking break. Star Wars films have always been for EVERYONE and have always had the power to make adults feel like a kid again. Just because Rogue One killed everyone doesn’t mean it’s aimed for adults and TFA isn’t. TFA is tonally on par with the OT and RO is a bit different by design. If you can’t handle stories that aren’t what you consider “more mature” that’s too bad for you. But saying Ep8 will be aimed toward 5-10 year olds is just ridiculous.

Smoking Lizard said:

TV’s Frink said:

Watching TFA last year and RO this year have made the PT even more irrelevant in my mind because they’ve hammered home how poorly executed the PT is.

RO also renders TFA irrelevant. The reality for the fan base hasn’t fully burned in yet, but RO has grabbed the reins of the SW franchise and jammed it back on track. It’s a coup. In the end, Disney is going to have to rethink the direction of episodes 8 and 9 based on the sensational execution of RO.

Haha calm down

Yeah I noticed that. They’re red in SW but only just. They went quite a bit overboard with that.

Nope. They could have done some interesting stuff with the Krennic character but groveling to Vader isn’t accomplishing much. I’d be much more interested to see the deleted scene where he speaks to Vader of the immeasurable power of the station.

Nah it’s pointless. Vader’s only importance to this story is at the end.

I’m curious where you think Episodes 2 and 3 would fit in before 4.

The whole scene is unnecessary honestly. Cut it.

EU films ranked:

1. Rogue One B+
2. The Clone Wars C-
3. Caravan of Courage D+
4. Battle for Endor D
5. The Holiday Special F (however much of it I’ve been able to stomach at least.)

Don’t feel totally comfortable slotting RO in with the Episodes, but it probably place 4th or 5th, in contention with ROTJ.

JEDIT: forgot E.T.. Slot that in at the the top with A++.