DominicCobb

Haha yes, love it!

Lucasfilm, 3 years ago.
http://www.starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page

And, in all fairness, it is not.

There is only one change that brings the climax of one of the films to a screeching halt. Vader boarding his star destroyer in ESB is therefore, hands down, without a doubt, the absolute worst SE change.

Jedi Rocks is the most embarrassing moment in any SW film but as a friend pointed out to me recently when we were discussing SE changes it is easily skippable (as is much of that portion of the film, sadly). Same goes for the Jabba scene in ANH. Still, terrible changes.

The color changes are pretty gnarly though I’m not sure I’d really classify that as a “change.” More like a colossal fuckup.

jedimasterobiwan said:

is there anything i can do to make it up to you

Honestly? stop posting in this thread.

(and I mean this in the nicest way possible, not messing with you)

imperialscum said:

TV’s Frink said:

IP55 said:

imperialscum said:

Alderaan said:

[Haarspalter said:]
If you want to find out what George Lucas was thinking when he made the PT

He was thinking the same things he was thinking when he made the OT if you ask me. But there were no longer any constraints or people to reign him in.

I think if George could have, he would have made the originals exactly like he made the prequels.

I doubt that. He had practically no constraints in ESB and ROTJ as he held the rights to the sequels and was doing them with his own company. Even in ANH he had mostly free hands since the studio did not seem to care about the film prior to the release.

I would say it is mostly that in OT he actually had good ideas and was open to feedback from his collaborators.

Irvin made ESB what it was.

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I love people who think the director is the only person responsible for the success or failure of a movie.

Well depends on the film. But in ESB Kershner was a hired actor director while Lucas was basically the creative director of the film.

You’re sadly mistaken if you think all he did was direct actors.

IP55 said:

TV’s Frink said:

IP55 said:

imperialscum said:

Alderaan said:

[Haarspalter said:]
If you want to find out what George Lucas was thinking when he made the PT

He was thinking the same things he was thinking when he made the OT if you ask me. But there were no longer any constraints or people to reign him in.

I think if George could have, he would have made the originals exactly like he made the prequels.

I doubt that. He had practically no constraints in ESB and ROTJ as he held the rights to the sequels and was doing them with his own company. Even in ANH he had mostly free hands since the studio did not seem to care about the film prior to the release.

I would say it is mostly that in OT he actually had good ideas and was open to feedback from his collaborators.

Irvin made ESB what it was.

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I love people who think the director is the only person responsible for the success or failure of a movie.

So the exec producer is. Yeah hitchcock, Sergio leone, coppola films etc weren’t down to direction!

Kersh was a huge part of what made ESB great, arguably the biggest. But Kasdan still wrote the script, and GL had more control than most EPs, though not nearly as much as on ROTJ. Not to mention Kersh was no auteur. I’d say there were a number of talented directors who GL could have hired that would have made just as good a film. On the other hand, GL was intent on being more controlling on ROTJ (and making it faster and cheaper), so it is unlikely any director he would have hired wouldn’t have been willing to completely roll over for him. I’d say ESB is what it is because GL had just the right amount of input, and not any more.

Glad I’m not the only one. I think a big part of it too is that there are these important new characters that I just really don’t care about. I haven’t read a lot of the EU, but I’ve read quite a few books that grabbed me more than the Thrawn ones.

In regards to capturing the spirit of the films on the page, I’d argue it’s not possible. SW is a cinematic saga, through and through. But I would love to read something that gets close. So far the best SW books I’ve read have captured some (not all) aspects of what makes the series great.

Yes. And preferably written by someone who understands normal human interaction.

I’m a Citizen Kane apologist.

Hal 9000 said:

It’s true this edit is narrowly focused, but I don’t mind discussion of scenes and dialogue closely related. There was some discussion a while back about whether to remove, “Those beasts,” or, “They’re here.” I think the idea was removing, “They’re here,” avoids having it look like no one told Maz about the impending attack.

I understand. But I don’t see how removing “those beasts” would affect anything (unless you’re removing both lines). I get how removing the latter line would change it, though I’m not sure removing either is necessary with the current lone star destroyer solution, as that doesn’t necessarily imply an impending attack.

Don’t want to speak for Hal, but he has stated on multiple occasions that the only changes to this edit would be those that facilitate the Starkiller restructure. So your continued requesting of additional changes to the movie is not going to get us anywhere or add much to the discussion.

You hated the film, it’s no secret. Hal didn’t. His edit is supposed to be a baseline for other edits to work off of. If you have other changes in mind, make your own edit. It’s that simple.

Then make your own edit.

Get over it.

“Should you enjoy romance scenes or should they be as awkward as physically possible so as to make you want to commit harm to your body?”

Even if we’re talking which is the least bad counting old changes ported over, I don’t know. I kind of feel like in some ways it’s all or nothing with the SEs. Like if you’re going to have extra added garbage and CGI to better match the PT, better go all the way with it. So I’d say 04 because (for better or for worse) there’s at least a point to it, with an attempt to link the films with the PT better, rather than the 97 SE which is just plain vandalism without a purpose. 11 gets pluses for fixing fucked up lightsabers but minuses for “no’s” and other necessary antics.

JEDIT: Just realized joefavs made the exact same argument but put it much better than me a few months ago…

joefavs said:

You know what? I’m going to go out on a limb and say 2004, because of the prequelisms. The argument that the 1997 cut is superior because it doesn’t have the PT references doesn’t really work for me, because if you’re trying to ignore the PT, you should just watch the OUT, because they’re just better movies. The only thing the SE can really claim to bring to the table is smoother visual continuity with the subsequent installments of the saga, and in that regard the 1997 version is kind of obsolete.

There’s a legitamate argument to be made that the 97 version is the worst of the bunch. I’d say the majority of the bad changes were there from the start. Dozens of garbage changes that shit all over the films. The fact that someone could say not fixing a couple lightsaber shots is the ONE issue with the 97 SE is just so ridiculous as to be totally incomprehensible, honestly.

Not sure why people should care either way.

TV’s Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

TV’s Frink said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Though perhaps you should remove the “TV border” from the scene for a cleaner look.

It’s already so heavily cropped due to the 4:3 source that I don’t want to zoom in any farther.

A generic white or black vignette should do the trick of both covering up the border and giving it even more of a “dream” look.

What do you mean by “vignette?”

Something that looks like this

Most programs have that effect, pretty simple to do.

TV’s Frink said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Though perhaps you should remove the “TV border” from the scene for a cleaner look.

It’s already so heavily cropped due to the 4:3 source that I don’t want to zoom in any farther.

A generic white or black vignette should do the trick of both covering up the border and giving it even more of a “dream” look.

Hard to compete with the circus in DC amirite??

moviefreakedmind said:

I think that the obsessed prequel fans are starting to become a thing of the past. I’m not saying that people don’t still like the prequels, but the people who think that they are beautiful masterpieces and believe that the original trilogy was a prophetic follow-up to the prequels made 20 years in advance are starting to fade away.

Tyrphanax said:

DominicCobb said:

Lord Haseo said:

I actually read a few of the Legacy comics and they’re not that bad but they’re not particularly good either. The only reason I could recommend someone reading them is if you’re interested in Darth Krayt. Supposedly he’s stronger than Bane or Sidious.

Is he a dragon?

He’s (SPOILERS?) actually a PT-era Jedi who named himself that for reasons pertaining to his character.

So… yes?

True, unfortunately. Too many children on the internet, young and old.

God, anime and Trump? There are some fucked up people in this world.