DominicCobb

Handman said:

Female/black leads and diverse casts have been considered politically correct for decades. The only difference is political correctness is more controversial than it was in the 90s, probably because some shows (Voyager included) neglected quality stories and the only thing going for them was being politically correct. So now the idea is if a show is overtly-politically-correct, the storytelling will suffer for it. Problem is, a lot of the time, it’s true.

Shit’s just lazy writing. You see it everywhere. Any time themes are too heavy handed/on the nose without much else of substance the storytelling suffers for it. But what the themes are shouldn’t matter. Blame the writers, not political correctness.

Star Trek certainly had moments back in its day that’d be considered politically incorrect now. But I’m talking about at the time.

Political correctness is about being sensitives to the attitudes and cultures of underrepresented populations. People can put whatever bs interpretation of it if they want, but that’s what it is - treating people with respect. And that’s what Star Trek has always strived for, even if it didn’t always hit the mark.

Ex. They put a Russian on the Enterprise during the height of the Cold War. Now, the execution wasn’t perfect (pretty stereotypical portrayal, looking back), but the mere fact of the matter was a ballsy move to promote inclusion.

Glad we can all agree that filth is a scumbag. Hopefully we can all go back to not paying any attention to his shit.

moviefreakedmind said:

In two weeks frevious will read a positive article about the switch and love it.

Hahaha

TV’s Frink said:

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Wazzles said:

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ray_afraid said:

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I thought it was a fun bit the first time he fired the bowcaster. We had never seen it before and it made sense in the context of the situation

Chewie uses it in ROTJ to take out a speeder bike. And I can’t believe Han never in 40 years asked to shoot it.

I meant that we never saw Han use it before TFA, so it was fun to see it for the first time in TFA.

And I can believe Han would go that long without using it, there was (presumably) never a reason for him to do so. Judging by the original trilogy, none of them ever got shot (except Leia and Luke once each in ROTJ).

In my opinion that was the weakest part of the film. It was just cheesy and out of place in the battle.

I didn’t like it but it’s such a minor thing I wouldn’t call it the weakest part of the film. I’d save that for Starkiller base…or maybe for the destruction of the Hosnian system.

Destruction of the Bosnian system the weakest part? Just because they can see it from Takodonna? I’d say that’s about on the same level as Han using the nowcaster - pretty minor, whether you mind it or not.

[Shrug]

Since I rate TFA third, just behind ANH and ESB, I don’t think anything in TFA is a major weakness. It just bugs me.

WELL YOUR WRONG!!1!!!

Hey, if I want to well my wrong that’s my business.

Fuck you, I’m leaving the site now.

TV’s Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

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Wazzles said:

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ray_afraid said:

TV’s Frink said:

I thought it was a fun bit the first time he fired the bowcaster. We had never seen it before and it made sense in the context of the situation

Chewie uses it in ROTJ to take out a speeder bike. And I can’t believe Han never in 40 years asked to shoot it.

I meant that we never saw Han use it before TFA, so it was fun to see it for the first time in TFA.

And I can believe Han would go that long without using it, there was (presumably) never a reason for him to do so. Judging by the original trilogy, none of them ever got shot (except Leia and Luke once each in ROTJ).

In my opinion that was the weakest part of the film. It was just cheesy and out of place in the battle.

I didn’t like it but it’s such a minor thing I wouldn’t call it the weakest part of the film. I’d save that for Starkiller base…or maybe for the destruction of the Hosnian system.

Destruction of the Bosnian system the weakest part? Just because they can see it from Takodonna? I’d say that’s about on the same level as Han using the nowcaster - pretty minor, whether you mind it or not.

[Shrug]

Since I rate TFA third, just behind ANH and ESB, I don’t think anything in TFA is a major weakness. It just bugs me.

WELL YOUR WRONG!!1!!!

ATMachine said:

But was Archduke Franz Ferdinand killed when the Bosnian System was destroyed?

Fucking autocorrect

Leia never agreed to be trained. Luke was just told to pass on what he had learned. Obviously the assumption was that would be to Leia, but if Leia had different plans - like starting a family with Han - it’d make sense that he might hold off, knowing he could train Ben (and others).

And again, we don’t know that Luke didn’t teach Leia the ways of the Force, just that she didn’t become a Jedi (we know at least that she has the power to sense her husband dying on another planet). There’s a lot about this topic we don’t know yet.

Isn’t learning to get along with aliens sort of the whole point of Star Trek? Diversity too?

Star Trek has always been “politically correct.”

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Wazzles said:

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ray_afraid said:

TV’s Frink said:

I thought it was a fun bit the first time he fired the bowcaster. We had never seen it before and it made sense in the context of the situation

Chewie uses it in ROTJ to take out a speeder bike. And I can’t believe Han never in 40 years asked to shoot it.

I meant that we never saw Han use it before TFA, so it was fun to see it for the first time in TFA.

And I can believe Han would go that long without using it, there was (presumably) never a reason for him to do so. Judging by the original trilogy, none of them ever got shot (except Leia and Luke once each in ROTJ).

In my opinion that was the weakest part of the film. It was just cheesy and out of place in the battle.

I didn’t like it but it’s such a minor thing I wouldn’t call it the weakest part of the film. I’d save that for Starkiller base…or maybe for the destruction of the Hosnian system.

Destruction of the Hosnian system the weakest part? Just because they can see it from Takodona? I’d say that’s about on the same level as Han using the bowcaster - pretty minor, whether you mind it or not.

Starkiller base is what any sane person would call the weakest part. Not so much the fact of it but more the way aspects of it were handled.

TV’s Frink said:

ray_afraid said:

He wouldn’t need a reason. He’d want to try it for fun. He also acts like he’s never even seen what it can do. I just don’t buy it.

I assumed Chewie would never let him use it.

It could easily be this, or that he just he used it before, but so long ago he forgot how it felt. Either way, I don’t mind. I thought it was funny.

Lord Haseo said:

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Leia was a not-Jedi for all three original movies. I don’t think of her as a Jedi, she didn’t think of herself as a Jedi, and it would have been weird for her to suddenly be a Jedi in the fourth movie.

The 30 year time gaps helps all of these issues both with our perception and Leia’s potential “conflict” regarding embracing being a Jedi.

I get that, I’m just saying it would have been jarring and I’m glad they didn’t go that route. I wouldn’t have said it “ruined her character” or anything silly like that.

To each their own. I’m fine with the route they went though it does make me say “So much for that” whenever I watch ROTJ.

I don’t think it’d really make all that much sense for Leia to have dropped everything she’d been doing to become a Jedi. She’d been in politics pretty much her whole life, I don’t know what the canon thing is here but I imagine she went into that again after the Empire fell (not to mention raising her son).

And just because she didn’t become a Jedi doesn’t mean she didn’t learn to use the Force.

Handman said:

Online gaming never appealed to me, I don’t know why it’s such a big deal.

Back in high school, before I had a car, I used to love it because me and my friends could pretty much hang out everyday via Xbox live parties.

I’ve only played online intermittently since then (well I haven’t played much video games in general), and usually it’s split screen COD or Halo or something when me and a buddy want tougher opponents than the CPs.

TV’s Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

Han and Leia were perfect in TFA.

I would have liked a bit more screen time for Leia.

You can only focus on so many characters per film. I don’t really mind the limited screen time, I don’t feel like I was missing anything from her in regards to this particular story.

And yeah she should have hugged Chewie first (although I was fine with her and Rey hugging because they would have a connection right away via the Force).

Yeah this was an obvious goof, but it’s nothing more than that - a goof. You aren’t meant to read anything into it (it’s not like Leia and Chewie ignore each other throughout the film). And yeah, nothing wrong with hugging Rey.

There was one shot of Han running from the Rathtars where you could really see his age and I would have like to see that cut.

I don’t see what’s wrong with showing his age.

And I would have only had Han use Chewie’s bowcaster the first time.

I thought that was a fun bit.

I think my only quibble is actually the moment where Han shoots a guy without looking (though even this is somewhat okay because Han checks to make sure he got him, which makes it seem more like classic Solo luck, rather than superhero skills).

Han and Leia were perfect in TFA.

Han and Leia were perfect in TFA.

generalfrevious said:

What was the worst decision Lucas has ever made with the Star Wars franchise?

I used to think it was the special editions, but in light of TFA and Rogue One I might say it was maybe selling the franchise to Disney.

I thought you liked TFA?

Warb, it’s pretty common for people to go on dates to find out if they have any romantic interest.

Ryan-SWI said:

Mocata said:

I guess it’s possible, it would be interesting even if he just got to flesh out an existing plan for the narrative. But I’m just suspicious that this is all a Lucasfilm board room creation after the 2-3 named writers on TFA. It’s probably all just done with a committee.
“I am not a committee” - Rian Johnson, probably.

Hey come on, TFA wasn’t made in a boardroom, it was clearly made with time, love and care. That’s why a messy script was rushed through production with “A New Hope” scribbled out on the front.

Just because JJ didn’t come up with something you like didn’t mean he didn’t come up with something he liked.

And no films had more messy scripts and rushed productions than the PT.

imperialscum said:

Exhibit B: Equating a group of opinions with objectivity (i.e. fact)

DominicCobb said:

putting aside the fact that the large majority of people (in general, not just this site) say the prequels aren’t great, which isn’t evidence but is as good an objective indicator as you can get

Can you read?

I think you can add “token PT fan complains that most people think PT is shite” to that list.

Regardless of where he put Rogue One, I find it strange that anyone would call AOTC the best of the PT.

Comparing Disney to Lucas is just silly. He was the one who got us in the whole mess in the first place. There are so many different variables involved now that make it impossible to pass judgement at the moment for the continued non-release of the OOT.

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

Any Bond fan who does not have TLD in or at least hovering around their top 10 is not a true Bond fan.

As a true Bond fan, I love all of the films equally except for the ones with Daniel Craig 😉

EDIT: That was a joke by the way. Normally I wouldn’t bother clarifying but so many people like to hate on Daniel Craig for usually no reason that I wanted to make sure I wasn’t confused for one of those.

Thanks for the (unfortunately necessary) clarification.

Any Bond fan who does not have TLD in or at least hovering around their top 10 is not a true Bond fan.

moviefreakedmind said:

That’s a fun one. My favorite Bond of the 80s is the Living Daylights though.

Correct.