DominicCobb

When was R2 his copilot?

Death Star Duel/Ben and Leia:
https://vimeo.com/414119429

Changes

• Swapped in the Force theme for Leia sensing Ben
• Added Duel of the Fates
• Cut out Finn’s last “REEEEEEYYY!”
• Added a few frames using shots from the trailers
• Drastically extended and re-scored Leia contacting Ben

As always keep in mind this is rough.

Yes I believe he calls it Ben’s theme in the liner notes for the original film. But he also referred to it as the Force theme even then and there are moments in the film where it obviously isn’t exclusive to Ben.

Hal 9000 said:

Might be a little weird. Makes it seem like his post-ROTS memories are gone, yet he references ‘Master Luke’ a moment or two later.

Yeah that’s the big problem I have with it.

ChainsawAsh said:

jordan_winter said:

Terrybartoner said:

when I watched the movie I thought it was a missed opportunity to not have 3po mention Anakin after the memory re-wipe, but I don’t if there was something I missed for him not doing it

I thought this too. It could be great if the dialogue could be changed to something along the lines of
‘Artoo, have you heard? I’m going with Master Anakin on a very important mission’

This doesn’t make sense to me. If his memory is wiped, he wouldn’t remember anything. Does your computer remember your username and password when you reformat the hard drive? Of course not.

This is right after R2 restores a backup.

The main Star Wars theme has been a general theme for the franchise post OT. Williams’s decision, and it just makes sense.

idir_hh said:

I think his source is the JWfanpage but from what I understood the chants in the duel trailer were collected from the original soundtrack and then mixed with trailer music.

I doubt there is a soul on that site who’d think that trailer track was Williams. I don’t know where that info is coming from but there’s no way it’s true.

I tried watching that video and I just can’t. So much of what he’s saying is way off the mark.

The track from the trailer is very clearly not done by Williams. The guy is making stuff up if that’s what he said.

poppasketti said:

Yeah that was my question too. People seemed to think it should be more post-lightning deformation Emperor Palpatine than Senator Palpatine. I could try the other way though!

I think if the implication is that the Palpatine we see is one of the clones then the clone has to be unwrinkled, like the Palp in the film.

Is there anyway to make the bodies smaller? Could be tricky but Snoke is a much bigger guy.

RogueLeader said:

I agree, that might look better. I didn’t imagine the shield would work at first but I like it, it reminds me of the rough draft of the Return of the Jedi script.

The Emperor shoots lightning at Luke. Luke raises his hands in defense, but they are deflected by an invisible shield. Images of Ben and Yoda appear at the points of impact. Luke collapses under the strain.

Great minds, etc.

DominicCobb said:

This is really nice work, and I know it’s what a lot of people were looking for. Personally I’d love to see a much more subtle version. Nondescript blue figures behind Rey that you only see when the lightning flashes. And then the Force shield when she deflects the lightning, and subtle flashes of the faces of Jedi appear over the shield, ala the early ROTJ draft.

The shield should line up with the lightsabers.

This is really nice work, and I know it’s what a lot of people were looking for. Personally I’d love to see a much more subtle version. Nondescript blue figures behind Rey that you only see when the lightning flashes. And then the Force shield when she deflects the lightning, and subtle flashes of the faces of Jedi appear over the shield, ala the early ROTJ draft.

Anakin Starkiller said:

DominicCobb said:

Chase Adams said:

ACTUAL FILM STILL yikes

Believe or not, it is in fact a miniature, but I guess 'round these parts this might be common knowledge.

First of all, in Felucia’s case I don’t believe that’s true. Second of all, even if a miniature is part of the shot, clearly there’s still a lot of CGI. Finally, regardless of what method was used to create it, my point still stands, which is that it looks like absolute dog shit.

Chase Adams said:

ACTUAL FILM STILL yikes

idir_hh said:

That was fine for the OT, problem is we’ve been there done that.

That’s the world they established though.

Even George wasn’t 100 percent happy with the locations of the OT but because of the technological limitations of the time, he had to go with it.

Just because George wanted it doesn’t mean we should have gotten it. In fact, the limitations are one of the reasons the OT works so well, and why the PT is often a visual aneurysm.

Octorox said:

I mean, Tatooine was just a desert, Hoth was just snow, and Endor was just California. Outside of Cloud City, “alien” or fantastical looking planet designs were really just a prequel thing. I’m not saying this is good or bad, just that it isn’t unique to the sequels.

I agree. Crazy planets was never a thing for Star Wars.

Hal 9000 said:

After Palpatine bids Kylo to “become what [his] grandfather, Vader, could not,” would it work to cut to the original last shot of the scene?

There’d be more time for a wipe transition, and it’d imply Palpatine arrogantly things he’s “got” him, like he has the hooks in his jaw ala Anakin in ROTS, but with a touch of being off the money ala Luke in ROTJ.

It’s an idea, but I’m not sure it’d work. Feels like it’d be weird for Palpatine to laugh right after telling Kylo to do something. Also I like focusing more on Kylo. I’m going to see if I can finagle it without having to resort to that.

specialk2121 said:

Hal 9000 said:

After Palpatine bids Kylo to “become what [his] grandfather, Vader, could not,” would it work to cut to the original last shot of the scene?

There’d be more time for a wipe transition, and it’d imply Palpatine arrogantly things he’s “got” him, like he has the hooks in his jaw ala Anakin in ROTS, but with a touch of being off the money ala Luke in ROTJ.

I think this is necessary. With Dom’s current cut it kinda implies that Rey is “what [Kylo’s] grandfather” could not become.

I didn’t really see it that way, but wouldn’t that work anyway? Arguably that’d be an implication to strive for.

Nah fuck the nerdy nitpicks, that shit is good. Not to mention John Williams absolutely killing it in that moment.

At this point I think TROS spoilers are probably allowed everywhere.

Knight of Kalee said:

Hal, I remember you or someone else here thought of changing the music that plays over the ending Rey Skywalker/Binary Sunset scene, as to avoid repeating the Force theme across three movies. Have you though of putting some version of Rey’s theme instead? I believe it might be the most fitting, because it reaffirms Rey’s identity above all else, and is very much the central musical theme of the sequel trilogy. I personally like this track (originally from TFA end credits): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bJpmMwrabo.
Not the full theme, but some snippets of it, like that transition between the Force and Rey’s motifs. If you plan to end the scene with a fade to black, maybe the peaceful version of the SW main theme that plays at the end of the track could could fit better instead of a more bombastic piece, as it has much of a “final farewell” feel to it.

I mentioned I was going change the music there, but I never said what piece I was going to use… but you nailed it, that’s the exact one.

Broom Kid said:

DominicCobb said:

When this was going around the first time a few months ago, I saw a few people mention it was the TV version. Movie Censorship confirms that it’s the same as the one IMDb has listed for a while: https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=765444

That link looks like it’s attributing that digital-fur-tech change to Disney+, though. I also don’t believe Splash had any other TV edits made to it other than the ones initially made when it first got sold to network/syndication way back in the day.

This is the sort of change that would have/could have only been made on the cheap, and made very recently, and it’s just a lot more likely Disney applied the change themselves. Normally that edit is either a zoom in so you can’t see her buttcrack when she jumps into the water, or they cut back to Tom Hanks before she jumps.

It’s attributing them all to D+, but at the beginning speculates that they are simply ported over from the previous TV versions. Although the page has been translated so maybe something was lost.

But you’re right, IMDb doesn’t list the digital but alteration as a TV change, but it also doesn’t seem like their list is comprehensive. So it’s hard to say for certain one way or the other.

SilverWook said:

I wonder if Disney would foot the bill for proper Simpsons remaster of the older SD episodes? Would all the film still be stored somewhere?

I fully anticipate that when the show drops in 4:3 that it will be in SD. Doesn’t seem like they’d care to remaster when it’s only an incredibly niche audience they’d be servicing. If it shows up in HD, I’d think the logical assumption would be that it was work that had already been done (i.e. the remastered show before it was cropped to 16:9), not something Disney has done specifically now.

Delpheas said:

DominicCobb said:

ROTS was always written to only take place over about a week.

The novelization of the film gave it a 2-3 month period.

But let’s say it always was supposed to be 3-10 days. Padme really didn’t tell Anakin for 8-9 months that she was pregnant? The way they talk about “going early to naboo to get the baby’s room ready” is not what someone who’s giving birth in two weeks would say. It just doesn’t work based on how pregnancy maps out.

I don’t remember that being part of the novelization.

Anakin’s been gone for months on the Outer Rim sieges. The passage of time is actually very easy to track in the film, it’s only a few days. I think we are meant to believe that the delivery is premature because Padme is dying (“We have to operate quickly if we are to save the twins”).

ROTS was always written to only take place over about a week.

Broom Kid said:

Pretty sure the Splash edit was done specifically for Disney+

When this was going around the first time a few months ago, I saw a few people mention it was the TV version. Movie Censorship confirms that it’s the same as the one IMDb has listed for a while: https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=765444

I believe the only thing Disney has changed specifically for D+ is Lio and Stitch, but I might be wrong.

SilverWook said:

DominicCobb said:

It’s not weird, it’s just lazy. The Simpsons is cropped because that’s what Fox did for the HD version, and they’re too lazy to use anything else. Splash covers up the nudity because that’s the censored for TV version, and they just thought they might as well go with that.

As the occasional sight gag has been obliterated by the cropping, I can only presume it was supervised by Mr. Magoo.
Uncropped Simpsons reruns are still airing on a local L.A. station.

Not in HD.

It’s not weird, it’s just lazy. The Simpsons is cropped because that’s what Fox did for the HD version, and they’re too lazy to use anything else. Splash covers up the nudity because that’s the censored for TV version, and they just thought they might as well go with that.