DominicCobb

RogueLeader said:

Superb. Honestly, I think this look goods enough to put in a final edit. I still want to see a version of the movie where Ben Solo lives, but beyond that exception, I think this is my favorite version of the ending so far.

Basically, this ending is a reflection for both Rey, and the audience, on this journey and where the story began. By burying the lightsabers, Rey is shutting the book on this Saga, if you will. And her leaving Tatooine on the Falcon is a visible promise that adventures in this galaxy will continue, but those adventures are moving on from the Skywalker Saga. I also think it is a better way to end it for Rey, because it makes it abundantly clear that this was just a quick stop before she goes on her next adventure, and returns to her newfound family.

Completely agree. I’m finding it hard to think of a reason not to include it in a Ben dies edit.

It’s not quite perfect yet, but it’s close! Like, if this was as good as it got, I’d still use it. But beyond some more roto tweaks (particularly when it crosses in front of the sun) I wonder how it’d look if it started a bit bigger? And if it dusted up more sand.

Just because I’m realizing I didn’t say anything about it, but that Falcon ending got me really hyped. Would love to see a fully completed version as a potential for my edit as well.

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

Nothing will ever be worse than AOTC.

TROS is worse for me. At least AOTC had some interesting concepts underneath the horrible execution. TROS for me is the answer to the question, what if Michael Bay made a Star Wars film? It’s a quest for the McGuffin, that leads to translating the McGuffin, that leads to another McGuffin, that leads to the big bad, whose only weakness is to cross the streams like in Ghostbusters (only this trick was actually properly set up in Ghostbusters). Who knew two lightsabers would be kryptonite to a Sith Lord? It would be one thing, if the McGuffin quest was actually good, but it’s all so terribly executed, and all those fake deaths? Ugh…

There really aren’t any interesting ideas in AOTC, so it doesn’t even have that going for it. Take off the nostalgia goggles and it’s straight trash.

There is nothing about TROS that is worse than that film.

krausfadr said:

DominicCobb said:

I’m curious, what’d it look like if it was just Ben and Leia, and you pasted Ben’s face on top of Luke’s?

Then I think he would then be a tad short (for a stormtrooper).

Luke is shorter than he’s supposed to be anyway, it’s a deliberate choice.

Regardless, I think anyone adding Ben should try to put him next to Leia. Yeah that’d mean moving them all to the right, but I think it’s pretty necessary.

Nothing will ever be worse than AOTC.

jonh said:

quick test
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1oZNeNtiPW1rhalmpQvXnqZ0-Tg7FH6gv

I’m curious, what’d it look like if it was just Ben and Leia, and you pasted Ben’s face on top of Luke’s?

I think the outline on the ghosts in the wide shots are a little too pronounced.

It’s truly mind boggling to me that someone could have two problems with this movie, and one of them is that a specific kind of TIE fighter doesn’t have hyperdrive. Like, you realize how ridiculous that sounds right?

Octorox said:

DominicCobb said:

They were nobody:
https://vimeo.com/414948227

Really promising, although I think the conversation feels a little disjointed now. Kylo goes from talking about Rey’s power to talking about her parents without much build up. I wonder if it would possible to preserve a little more of the original scene while still excising the problematic elements? Is there a way you could work in Poppasketti’s “you were right. They were nobody” line without the “because they chose to be”? I also wonder if the cutaway to the rest of the gang could be moved, as I think it interrupts the flow of the scene, especially since you’ve made it quite a bit shorter.

I think, with the context of the first scene, bringing up her parents makes sense. He’s goading her about her anger, of which a lot comes from her abandonment.

As to including more of the conversation about the parents, it’s something I’ve tried and will continue to tinker with, but I haven’t found any solutions that I’m happy with. The main reason why I feel the need to change the flow of the conversation is that, if you do it they way it is originally, it’s obvious what’s being set up. Kylo goes from talking about what she did in the desert to saying there’s more to her story and what happened to her parents. Linking the two makes for a clear implication that I’m trying to remove.

There’s really no way to move the cutaway, I could remove it, but that’d be tricky considering I’m already considerably cutting down the execution scene. I’m not terribly worried about these scenes feeling short since they don’t have the same revelatory weight as those in the original film.

StarkillerAG said:

Awesome work, this edit is looking better the more clips you post!

The only flaw I noticed was that there was an obvious jump cut in the shot of Rey with her back to the camera. If you fixed that, this change would be perfect.

Huh, don’t know when that got in there. Fixed.

Hal 9000 said:

Interesting. What does Kylo then tell Rey in the hangar?

krausfadr said:

Ah I’ve never heard the Lego TFA dialogue.

There isn’t much but it’s better than nothing.

It’s all Driver. Either from TROS, TFA, or LEGO TFA.

They were nobody:
https://vimeo.com/414948227

idir_hh said:

It would have been cool to have Rey with the yellow saber from the get go, would it be possible replace Anakin’s saber with Rey’s? Something like the TLJ edits that replaced Anakin’s saber with Luke’s on Crait.

You could always just make the saber color yellow throughout, like it’s built from the same hilt but she’s using a new crystal and made it her own.

poppasketti said:

The audio is actually the hardest part. I might just need to turn the levels down, but finding good audio of Rey saying “just” that matches the tone of the scene is difficult. I scoured all three films! I’ll listen again fresh and tweak it.

Also, I just updated the link with the face morph from the YouTube shot Chase Adams sent. I’ll ask if that person would be willing to share that shot, but if not, I’ll keep going down that path myself and finish it.

(same link)
https://vimeo.com/414395138
pw: fanedit

Might be tricky with the mouth movements but could you try making “just” and “Rey” closer together? Even if it’s just a frame or two. I think that’s the thing that’s bumping for me.

poppasketti said:

Ok, so this idea isn’t done (face morph is still rough proof of concept), but it’s a first pass. I really want it to work, but I’m not sure yet. One thing I know is whenever the force ghosts at the end are complete (preferably just Ben in addition to Leia and Luke), we could add those in!

https://vimeo.com/414395138
pw: fanedit

I think it looks pretty great as is! I’d just saw the line is the thing that needs a little work, the words sound a bit clipped.

Anakin Starkiller said:

You know what would make these films feel less OT derivative? Replacing much of OT music with PT music! It would make the Saga feel more unified. Maybe Palpatine’s Sith choir can recite a portion of Duel of the Fates. There could be a hint of Battle of the Heroes in the Death Star since they sorta mirror each other in a fire and water kinda way. Across the Stars could play when Ben and Rey kiss. Kamino’s theme as the camera passes the jar of Snokes (btw, why is that theme there when Palpatine sucks Ben and Rey’s lifeforce?). Of course these only apply to TRoS, but I’m sure there’s some you could use for the other two films. Oh, I know! I’m So Sorry could play as Rey refuses to take Kylo’s hand in TLJ. In fact, I think I’ll got put that together right now, see how it looks.

I mean, they use OT themes because they’re relevant to the characters. There isn’t a whole lot of relevance to using PT music, especially not if it’s going to replace original ST music.

Ed Slushie said:

sade1212 said:

Yeah, in the ROTS(?) DVD commentary, Lucas makes a point of saying all the movies end with a purely musical scene, and this is true of 1-7 (the broom boy scene has the action figures bit and the alien shouting which arguably disqualifies it, but it’s in a similar spirit also).

In terms of script, I think the fact that the broom boy walks outside signifies a scene change, meaning that movie’s final scene is technically without dialogue as well.

Yeah I mean Empire is sort of in a similar situation. Feel like people forget that one.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

DominicCobb said:

One thought I had recently regarding the Force ghost Ben angle, why not just Ben and Leia? That way it focuses on them finally reunited, and we don’t have to debate whether Anakin should be involved with this Skywalker family get together.

Then her declaration wouldn’t make sense as Leia is an Organa and Ben a Solo.

That doesn’t mean they’re not Skywalkers though.

One thought I had recently regarding the Force ghost Ben angle, why not just Ben and Leia? That way it focuses on them finally reunited, and we don’t have to debate whether Anakin should be involved with this Skywalker family get together.

idir_hh said:

This is where Sideways seems to have gotten the rumours about duel of the fates.
https://youtu.be/eIEcP7dJuy0?t=516

Well I haven’t watched the whole Sideways video but if that’s what he’s basing the claims I’m hearing off he’s making a big leap.

Williams wrote a piece for the duel, but suggested it be taken out in the final edit. I personally doubt DOTF was involved, or at least I doubt Sideways guy has any inside info as to whether it was (he seems way off base in general). The music in the trailer was most certainly not Williams.

AbramPT said:

It’s probably been mentioned already but what’s your plan with Leia holding Han’s medal? I didn’t notice her holding it the first time I saw the movie, and after noticing it in subsequent viewings it still looked dumb. Especially if Chewy receiving Han’s medal at the end is being cut.

I don’t mind it in just that one shot, and I think it’d be hard to remove.

When was R2 his copilot?

Death Star Duel/Ben and Leia:
https://vimeo.com/414119429

Changes

• Swapped in the Force theme for Leia sensing Ben
• Added Duel of the Fates
• Cut out Finn’s last “REEEEEEYYY!”
• Added a few frames using shots from the trailers
• Drastically extended and re-scored Leia contacting Ben

As always keep in mind this is rough.