The mind trick is one of the few things in the film that actually bothers me. I get the idea of it, but it feels like a step too far. I’ve thought about ways to make it seem like Rey simply unlocks the restraints with the force (possibly with voices or visions or something happening) but I’m really not sure if there’s any believable way to do it.
What I’ll say in respect to the topic is that bad movies can make a lot of money but they don’t have the same staying power as good movies. That’s why TFA grossed more than TPM even when adjusted for inflation.
So I’ll just point out that if you look at the F&F’s films’ box office record, there’s a clear trend there that closely relates to the uptick in quality in the films. If you choose to write off a specific kind of movie just because you think it’s beneath you, that’s your prerogative (I personally can enjoy any type of movie, so long as it’s well made).
But I do wish TFA still had that record…
F8 certainly doesn’t deserve the record but at least it’s a good movie.
Good ? Well, if you think so… TFOTF (aka FF8) is so dumb it gets unwatchable (the opening scene is fun though). Even Theron is a very terrible vilain (who wrote her endless stupid monologues ?). The rip off of Hard Boiled was quite confusing as well. Fast Five is way better and still is the best of the series. At least FF8 is not as arrogant as FF6.
I’m not saying it’s the best one. I don’t know how anyone in their right mind could call it unwatchable because if it’s anything it’s watchable. It’s dumb yes but very aware of that fact. Theron is pretty silly but she plays it up well (even if her character doesn’t really go anywhere).
Kingdom of the Crystal Skull got criticized for being ridiculously over the top, self-aware, and cartoonish at times.
Why do you think F&F gets away with it when other movies don’t?
Because those weren’t the reasons why KOTCS didn’t work?
I’m not going to argue with either of you about it if you haven’t seen it.
All I’ll say is that last four movies have embraced the absurd entirely and purposefully. They know exactly what kind of movies they’re trying to be - dumb, fun, funny action. There’s nothing inherently wrong with enjoying that kind of movie if it’s done well (and these past few F&Fs are). Sorry if your view on movies is so limited that you can’t enjoy a movie that doesn’t take itself seriously.
F8 certainly doesn’t deserve the record but at least it’s a good movie.
We’re talking about humans who can speak to droids, not humans who can speak to animals.
I’d be interested to see if Luke can talk to R2 in TLJ.
International opening because F&F is international bro. Really it’s all because of China - unlike TFA it opened there the same weekend as everywhere else (subtract that $190mil from China and TFA’s record would have been safe), and Vin Diesel is a mega star there whereas Star Wars isn’t that big a deal since they didn’t get the OT until years later.
JEDIT: jinx
The protagonist problem with TPM isn’t really just “it has too many main characters,” it’s more that none of them are truly fleshed out in the way a protagonist should. To that end I’d say Rogue One has a similar problem. There it’s clear that Jyn is the one you’re supposed to hang your hat on (whereas TPM doesn’t really have that), but she’s not fully formed in the way she should, which does get it closer to the TPM problem (though, don’t get me wrong, I’d say Jyn is much better than Jinn).
Yeah I feel like that’s the one I’m sort of leaning towards but it’s hard to know how well it’d work without actually seeing it.
For similar reasons (that I’ve touched on elsewhere before) I think the Vader scene should be moved, as it’s placement in the theatrical is kind of a non sequitur.
That’s an interesting idea. I was just imagining how it would play back to back with Rey’s Dream (they both feature a helmet from a deceased warrior), but of course it wouldn’t work there. Were you thinking it should be closer to the final confrontation in order to bring his conflict to the fore?
Well in my mind hopefully the Falcon scene would do that. You can’t move the Vader scene too far back or it just slows things down too much.
The main issue is just that it’s placement as is doesn’t connect to what comes before or after (in this case Maz’s bar), so it’s a bit hard emotionally to feel the connection in Kylo’s psychology with the rest of his story (hope I’m explaining this right, logically it’s easy to make sense of the connection but in terms of the actual effect it’s lacking the way it’s sequenced).
I basically see three different possibilities -
I haven’t seen how any of them look in practice so I can’t say which works the best, but they all seem like they could be good alternatives to the way it’s placed in the actual film.
Cool beans. Been trying to teach myself a lot more in AE recently and that looks like just the kind of thing I should try next.
As for the scene itself, I’d have to see it in context to know for sure, pacing wise, if it works, but I like the idea of it. I think it’s important to keep up Kylo’s temptation to the light in conjunction with the reunion with his father. I feel like this is a good place for a reminder and for things to ramp up. Honestly, if I were to implement the scene, I’d change the music when he’s in the cockpit to his more tragic theme (reference) and have him say “father” rather than “Han Solo” again.
For similar reasons (that I’ve touched on elsewhere before) I think the Vader scene should be moved, as it’s placement in the theatrical is kind of a non sequitur.
I kinda like it. Continuity wise with Raddus’s ship and all it might a bit of a stretch, but I think it’s a pretty well placed short comic beat to break up the action. Does a lot to boost the fun factor, I think. Surprised to see so many have such a strong negative reaction to it.
Didn’t someone here remove the timecode fairly seamlessly from that scene?
Yup.
Oh yeah, I remember that, though I wasn’t sure if he had ever finished (I guess so?).
What was really annoying is he wouldn’t tell anyone his method. I’m sure a lot of people would love to give it a shot (myself included) if they simply knew how.
Thoughts on the Kylo Ren in the Falcon scene? I feel like it’s a real good one. Don’t know what to do with that timecode though.
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I’ll be Possessed’s
wingmanposse anytime.I believe possessed to be genuine so I don’t know that he needs a
hit squadposse to help him out.😉
Now that I think about it, I guess it’s obvious that he doesn’t need me. Possessed is his own posse(ssed).
Correct.
Incorrect.
I’ll be Possessed’s wingman posse anytime.
I’ve been watching the OT since I was 2 and I turned out (mostly) fine. Can’t think of anything in them that bothered me as a kid.
I have seen plenty of movies that are far worse (lately The fate of the furious). At least AOTC has a solid score, very interesting visual ideas, and was a unique experimental flick at its time. Some scenes are even quite good.
Do you just not like fun in general?
Friendly?
then just tape a clear plastic film on top of your tv screen, or watch the blu-ray while crying.
This works. Or you could downrez the blu-ray to whatever you want.
You do realize this film was released on Blu-ray, right?
I don’t mind the concept of putting Vader in the movie, but the scene really didn’t accomplish anything.
I’m with DE, at least the first few shots were cool.
I came in because you were taking a post I made and putting it in a context that made no sense. I don’t really care that much, I just can’t understand why you seem to.
Don’t be shy … you swing in like a bat out of hell every time, just own it. No one cares anyways.
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As usual, I don’t know why I bother.
