I’m tired of it being sexist/racist/unsympathetic to not accept the Frink viewpoint of these things.
It’s not the Frink viewpoint in the same way it isn’t the Dom viewpoint or the yhwx viewpoint. It’s just a viewpoint.
wow shit
I’m tired of it being sexist/racist/unsympathetic to not accept the Frink viewpoint of these things.
It has nothing to do with Frink’s viewpoint.
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It’s all about my viewpoint.
I assumed he had to “say uncle” when he was in a headlock once and the name stuck.
I kinda always felt this way too.
You could probably just make a thread for that (this isn’t really the place).
I don’t know if I’d hate a bigger screen, but the only other smartphone I’ve had was the 5c so I’m used to the smaller size and don’t feel the need to spend more for bigger.
I agree but it is a bit much to ask. Also, you can’t be mad about posters, can you? Those are nearly impossible to ignore.
There are plenty of ways it could have worked. Despite some people’s need to hate anything that transpired in the PT, I think making Owen Anakin’s step-brother was a perfectly fine solution (that doesn’t mean it was handled well, but it is possible to separate the idea from the execution).
The SE is solid, I just got that one myself a couple weeks ago (but I only change underwear every two and a half years).
I’m sick of everyone giving Warbler shit and even suggesting that what he is saying makes him someone who is acting like a sexist pig. He simply doesn’t agree with the change about a character and to call him sexist is completely out of line.
No one’s called him sexist. He invited that label upon himself. I did not go so far as to call him a “sexist pig,” but I could not deny that his behavior was akin to one (using “feminist” as a pejorative, for example).
This is why “liberal snowflake” is a commonly used term. Your calling him a sexist for a creative disagreement over a character and their identity.
There is exactly one person acting like a snowflake in this conversation, and it is not me or anyone else agreeing with me. That’s why conservative anti-PC rhetoric is complete bullshit. The other side can be just as reactionary/cry-baby as liberals when they want to be (which is often).
Also, I guess I have to read a thread I don’t care about now.
It’s not all this last page in this thread has it cracked up to be. Basically they are making the doctor a female, and warbler is opposed to it simply because of character reasons and because it’s a long running series and he’s used to it being a male. I don’t know if people actually think warb is a sexist pig or if they are just poking fun at him but either way he’s obviously not a sexist pig he just doesn’t want a fictional character he likes to change and is not harming or bEing prejudiced against actual trans people at all so I really think everyone needs to relax.
PS Ive never seen doctor who so I have no opinion on the actual issue.
I think there’s really only one person getting worked up about it. I just think it’s a silly sci-fi show and still don’t understand why a character who changes bodies constantly can’t become a woman. I’m honestly surprised it’s taken so long.
I don’t think he’s a sexist pig but he is certainly trying his hardest to act like one.
Hey, some people think Star Wars is a bunch of silly stuff. 😉
Oh of course, and it is. They’re both silly little fantasies. But there’s nothing wrong with that, and nothing to get worked up over. If Obi-Wan had turned into a woman as a way of “becoming more powerful than you could possibly imagine,” I would have been fine with that.
So is Wonder Woman. What do you think would happened if they made a movie and cast a man in the part and called it Wonder Man?
Do you really not understand why that would be an issue or are you just being facetious?
Also, I guess I have to read a thread I don’t care about now.
It’s not all this last page in this thread has it cracked up to be. Basically they are making the doctor a female, and warbler is opposed to it simply because of character reasons and because it’s a long running series and he’s used to it being a male. I don’t know if people actually think warb is a sexist pig or if they are just poking fun at him but either way he’s obviously not a sexist pig he just doesn’t want a fictional character he likes to change and is not harming or bEing prejudiced against actual trans people at all so I really think everyone needs to relax.
PS Ive never seen doctor who so I have no opinion on the actual issue.
I think there’s really only one person getting worked up about it. I just think it’s a silly sci-fi show and still don’t understand why a character who changes bodies constantly can’t become a woman. I’m honestly surprised it’s taken so long.
I don’t think he’s a sexist pig but he is certainly trying his hardest to act like one.
I think some people are forgetting that this show (which, for disclosure, I have never seen) is “fiction.”
I’ve only seen a couple episodes and from what I understand there are all manners of science fictional, fantastical, magical elements. Guess becoming a different gender is too unbelievable or something, who knows, I’m sure there’s a reasonable and non-reactionary anti-PC explanation for the outrage.
and call me a sexist pig and bigot all you want. I don’t care.
Well at least you admit to it.
If that is what means to be against changing a character’s gender, so be it.
Considering the nature of that character, yeah I’d say so.
and call me a sexist pig and bigot all you want. I don’t care.
Well at least you admit to it.
Was it this?
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Kitbashed/id/15254
I came to make a sarcastic hyperbolic sexist post. Guess I was too late.
How much of the MCU must one view before watching Homecoming? I’ve only seen Iron Man, Iron Man 3 and The Avengers.
Civil War’s really the only one you need to see to understand it (though the MCU movies you need to see to understand Civil War is quite a list…).
Literally no one has said that colorblind = racist.
Obviously it would be great if race didn’t mean anything but that’s not the world we live in. Even if magically tomorrow everyone stopped caring about race, you can’t overwrite history. For example, black people will still be disproportionally economically disadvantaged due to decades of all types of discrimination.
Surely when you were younger and weren’t as “enlightened,” so to speak, you might have acted the same way that some people in this thread are.
This attitude doesn’t help anyone.
“you’re white”
“you’re male”
“you’re privileged”
“you’re part of the problem”
“you won’t admit to being part of the problem”
just who has been making “many accusations”?
Aren’t you white?
Aren’t you male?
Yes, but you guys meant them as insults.
Not at all. Not even a little bit.
If yes to either (or both!) then yes you’re privileged.
These guys are privileged:
As I said before you can be the benefit of racial privilege and still have no other privileges (for example, many mentally ill people end up homeless through institutional disadvantages). Just because they’re homeless doesn’t mean they aren’t the beneficiaries of white privilege (how people treat them vs. black homeless). Whether that’s to an extent that’s even worth discussing right now is a different debate, and really we’re getting away from the point of it any way.
The sooner people in general can accept that they may have blindspots the better. I don’t know if it’s culture or human nature or a combination of both but people (in particular white men) don’t seem to either want to admit to being part of a problem or acknowledging a problem that doesn’t affect them and that they can’t see in their daily life. Basically, people don’t like being wrong. (I can sympathize.)
The truth is, if you’re a white man (as I am), you don’t experience institutional racism/sexism. But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. You can either accept this fact and look outside of your own bubble for evidence as to where and how and why and to what extent, or you can retreat back and proclaim that white privilege can’t possibly exist and that anyone complaining about problems that you don’t personally experience are just making things up.
If you want to be more understanding of the world around you and more empathetic towards your fellow humans, you can seek out the information. Otherwise, you can continue about your business - it won’t affect you any, obviously, but just know that to some extent you will be part of the problem.
Do you always have to be so self-righteous? Condemning a group for being awful and that they have no problems won’t win any of their suppport, this is partly why the Clinton campaign did not do as well as it should have. Instead of saying “You’re evil” or whatever, provide examples of what is wrong, like Catbus did, and what we can do to solve it. It would be a lot less frustrating and a lot more productive.
This is the kind of shit that makes it impossible to reach a point of understanding.
I asked for examples. Fuck off.
This is the kind of shit that makes it impossible to reach a point of understanding.
Being belligerent isn’t exactly the most inviting behavior for a reasoned discussion.
You’re only serving to prove my thesis that white dudes retreat back to their bubbles and overreact when their views are challenged.
But you haven’t challenged anything. I asked for more and you retreated. You did nothing but show condescending behavior, which rightly pissed me off. Nothing you have said is substantial in any way other than to put yourself on a pedestal.
I have not called you out. I was not talking about you specifically or really about anyone specifically here. I was speaking generally, though this tends to be the issue. It is not hard to parse generalized statements. That’s why the phrase “not all men” is such an eye roller. Though the fact that you responded in the way you did does tell me I hit a nerve.
I have not used any of the words you claim I did. Nowhere did I call anyone “evil,” despite what your quotation marks would suggest. Nowhere did I “condemn a group for being awful.” Nowhere did I call anyone an asshole (though your behavior is testing my patience in that regard). Nowhere did I say people like you are the problem (just that you can be a part of it to an extent if you aren’t willing to listen).
This goes back to why I shut down before with Warbler and mfm. If you guys are going to twist my words and make me into some sort of self righteous justice warrior condemning all the white men in the thread for being evil, I don’t know how I can reason with you. I don’t try to be condescending but it’s hard not to when you’re acting like children. If you can’t actually interact with the actual words I’m using, then I don’t entirely believe we’re on the same level to have an intelligent discussion.
Again, I don’t want to be condescending, but please read the post I made that set you off again:
The sooner people in general can accept that they may have blindspots the better. I don’t know if it’s culture or human nature or a combination of both but people (in particular white men) don’t seem to either want to admit to being part of a problem or acknowledging a problem that doesn’t affect them and that they can’t see in their daily life. Basically, people don’t like being wrong. (I can sympathize.)
The truth is, if you’re a white man (as I am), you don’t experience institutional racism/sexism. But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. You can either accept this fact and look outside of your own bubble for evidence as to where and how and why and to what extent, or you can retreat back and proclaim that white privilege can’t possibly exist and that anyone complaining about problems that you don’t personally experience are just making things up.
If you want to be more understanding of the world around you and more empathetic towards your fellow humans, you can seek out the information. Otherwise, you can continue about your business - it won’t affect you any, obviously, but just know that to some extent you will be part of the problem.
If this posts sounds patronizing then I apologize, my aim was more to be clinical. I’m not attacking you or anyone else personally, in fact right off the bat I put the blame on culture and/or human nature. People don’t like being wrong. I’m the same way. When people have their worldview challenged, they bristle and retreat. I was the same way at first. All my point ever was in that post was to say the next step is as simple as being able to listen to views that challenge your own, and investigate experiences that differ from your own. It’s so easy to find examples online. So easy. I can sit here and google and show you all of them. But that’s not going to make a difference if you’re not willing to listen (and let me be clear, your attitude thus far tells me you clearly are not). If you’re actually interested in finding examples, you can seek them out yourself. If not, feel free to go about your business, as I said.
This is what I was asking for in my initial post, further explanation, and I’m glad you took the time to do so. I didn’t mean to be so abrasive but when I was given a requote it just set me off. So, sorry about that. I don’t wish to continue to fight about it and hope we can find some common ground in the future.
I appreciate the change of tone, I really do. I wasn’t trying to be dicky with the requote but it just frustrates me when others read into things that aren’t there, makes it hard to properly engage (and I should say I’m as guilty of it as anyone).
You mean like when people read “I deny all history of slavery, jim crow, discrimination and racism”, into the words “color blind”?
I think you’re misunderstanding, which is fair because that’s a complex and nuanced topic. The concept of “color blind” isn’t so much a bad thing as it is a not good thing. Being color blind isn’t denying racial history, but it tends to imply casting it aside. I understand why people think color blindness is a righteous goal (and maybe someday it will be), but the problem is we aren’t far enough removed from the effects of racism and racial history to not pay attention to race.
Right now I’m just sitting straight in front of a fan to soak up its sweet, sweet air.
I
lovedeeply like fans.
Air conditioners are better.
The sooner people in general can accept that they may have blindspots the better. I don’t know if it’s culture or human nature or a combination of both but people (in particular white men) don’t seem to either want to admit to being part of a problem or acknowledging a problem that doesn’t affect them and that they can’t see in their daily life. Basically, people don’t like being wrong. (I can sympathize.)
The truth is, if you’re a white man (as I am), you don’t experience institutional racism/sexism. But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. You can either accept this fact and look outside of your own bubble for evidence as to where and how and why and to what extent, or you can retreat back and proclaim that white privilege can’t possibly exist and that anyone complaining about problems that you don’t personally experience are just making things up.
If you want to be more understanding of the world around you and more empathetic towards your fellow humans, you can seek out the information. Otherwise, you can continue about your business - it won’t affect you any, obviously, but just know that to some extent you will be part of the problem.
Do you always have to be so self-righteous? Condemning a group for being awful and that they have no problems won’t win any of their suppport, this is partly why the Clinton campaign did not do as well as it should have. Instead of saying “You’re evil” or whatever, provide examples of what is wrong, like Catbus did, and what we can do to solve it. It would be a lot less frustrating and a lot more productive.
This is the kind of shit that makes it impossible to reach a point of understanding.
I asked for examples. Fuck off.
This is the kind of shit that makes it impossible to reach a point of understanding.
Being belligerent isn’t exactly the most inviting behavior for a reasoned discussion.
You’re only serving to prove my thesis that white dudes retreat back to their bubbles and overreact when their views are challenged.
But you haven’t challenged anything. I asked for more and you retreated. You did nothing but show condescending behavior, which rightly pissed me off. Nothing you have said is substantial in any way other than to put yourself on a pedestal.
I have not called you out. I was not talking about you specifically or really about anyone specifically here. I was speaking generally, though this tends to be the issue. It is not hard to parse generalized statements. That’s why the phrase “not all men” is such an eye roller. Though the fact that you responded in the way you did does tell me I hit a nerve.
I have not used any of the words you claim I did. Nowhere did I call anyone “evil,” despite what your quotation marks would suggest. Nowhere did I “condemn a group for being awful.” Nowhere did I call anyone an asshole (though your behavior is testing my patience in that regard). Nowhere did I say people like you are the problem (just that you can be a part of it to an extent if you aren’t willing to listen).
This goes back to why I shut down before with Warbler and mfm. If you guys are going to twist my words and make me into some sort of self righteous justice warrior condemning all the white men in the thread for being evil, I don’t know how I can reason with you. I don’t try to be condescending but it’s hard not to when you’re acting like children. If you can’t actually interact with the actual words I’m using, then I don’t entirely believe we’re on the same level to have an intelligent discussion.
Again, I don’t want to be condescending, but please read the post I made that set you off again:
The sooner people in general can accept that they may have blindspots the better. I don’t know if it’s culture or human nature or a combination of both but people (in particular white men) don’t seem to either want to admit to being part of a problem or acknowledging a problem that doesn’t affect them and that they can’t see in their daily life. Basically, people don’t like being wrong. (I can sympathize.)
The truth is, if you’re a white man (as I am), you don’t experience institutional racism/sexism. But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. You can either accept this fact and look outside of your own bubble for evidence as to where and how and why and to what extent, or you can retreat back and proclaim that white privilege can’t possibly exist and that anyone complaining about problems that you don’t personally experience are just making things up.
If you want to be more understanding of the world around you and more empathetic towards your fellow humans, you can seek out the information. Otherwise, you can continue about your business - it won’t affect you any, obviously, but just know that to some extent you will be part of the problem.
If this posts sounds patronizing then I apologize, my aim was more to be clinical. I’m not attacking you or anyone else personally, in fact right off the bat I put the blame on culture and/or human nature. People don’t like being wrong. I’m the same way. When people have their worldview challenged, they bristle and retreat. I was the same way at first. All my point ever was in that post was to say the next step is as simple as being able to listen to views that challenge your own, and investigate experiences that differ from your own. It’s so easy to find examples online. So easy. I can sit here and google and show you all of them. But that’s not going to make a difference if you’re not willing to listen (and let me be clear, your attitude thus far tells me you clearly are not). If you’re actually interested in finding examples, you can seek them out yourself. If not, feel free to go about your business, as I said.
This is what I was asking for in my initial post, further explanation, and I’m glad you took the time to do so. I didn’t mean to be so abrasive but when I was given a requote it just set me off. So, sorry about that. I don’t wish to continue to fight about it and hope we can find some common ground in the future.
I appreciate the change of tone, I really do. I wasn’t trying to be dicky with the requote but it just frustrates me when others read into things that aren’t there, makes it hard to properly engage (and I should say I’m as guilty of it as anyone).
“you’re white”
“you’re male”
“you’re privileged”
“you’re part of the problem”
“you won’t admit to being part of the problem”
just who has been making “many accusations”?
Aren’t you white?
Aren’t you male?
If yes to either (or both!) then yes you’re privileged. As am I. As are a significant percentage of people here.
I wouldn’t even really have a problem if you left it at, “You receive certain benefits for being white or a man,” whatever those benefits are, but to just say that “you’re privileged” completely disregards his entire life experience, which you’re supposedly all about listening to. You don’t know if the person you’re talking to is an orphan, is bankrupt, has AIDS, is mentally ill, got laid off, is a drug addict, has a terminally ill spouse or child etc. etc. I’d say that those things, to name a few, would definitely mean that someone is not privileged, even if they are white or male. If you just assume that someone’s privileged based on their race, gender, and nothing else, then you’re likely to piss people off.
Calling someone privileged doesn’t mean they’re privileged in every way. Far from it. You can have some privileges and not others. The term “white privilege” does not mean white people are completely privileged in all ways, just in racial ways. I’d argue that’s why the “white” codifier is there in the first place.
