It’s all arbitrary anyway. Makes more sense to me that the millennium started on 1/1/2000 so that’s the way I consider it. That’s the way most people consider it anyway.
So, by your definition we still live in the 20th century.
I don’t know why I bothered
One part of the discussion we need. The boy at the end
Info
• Name is temri blagg
• force sensitive
• fathier carer
• Abandoned by parents (like rey)
• Slave (like anakin)
What are your thoughts on the matter and what role do you think he’ll get in IX
The boy is incredibly important in regards to the resolution of Luke’s story (and to a lesser extent Finn and Rose’s). Who he is doesn’t matter. He won’t be back.
It’s all arbitrary anyway. Makes more sense to me that the millennium started on 1/1/2000 so that’s the way I consider it. That’s the way most people consider it anyway.
But AD 1 means there’s been 1 year in AD. You don’t just start with 1. Like, people aren’t born at age 1.
No.
Greetings from the year 2018.
Greetings from the year 2017.
There is one thing that I feel like is possible they could clarify in IX. It’s there in TFA and TLJ, though it’s vague, but basically it’s the concept of the awakening. I think that both Kylo Ren and Rey have both been granted (for whatever reason) incredible force capabilities. Training, for them, isn’t so much gaining skills as it is learning what to do with the skills they are being granted. When you look at it this way, it’s not so much important how Rey has these skills or even why, but what she chooses to do with them that makes her story compelling.
On a similar train of thought, when the announced the title of TFA, I thought it was possible that there was an awakening in the force that had caused people all over to suddenly be in tune with the force. After seeing the film, I thought it might just refer to Rey, though I kept the possibility at the back of my mind. With TLJ’s ending, I think there’s still a chance I might not have been too far off.
We’ll see what IX holds.
I like Rogue One better every time I see it.
Yes
No. dahmage remember you are not allowed to disagree with me.
Pretty much anyone on this site is a die hard. By my definition anyway.
Yeah at least on the soundtrack the TLJ opening is the same as TFA, which is really frustrating (although I’m still holding out hope that it’s a new recording in the film itself, as Rian has said they recorded a new version).
As for substitutes, there are plenty of orchestral albums out there with recordings of the SW main title.
Also, as far as I can tell this film doesn’t reuse any old music (unlike, say, Rey grabbing the lightsaber in TFA), although there are many moments with similar arrangements of old themes, but they’re all new recordings.
But are those people millennials?
I would wager it’s fair to say the die hard fans are about evenly split. I think most casual fans at least liked it, if not loved it. Thing with SW is there are a lot more casual fans.
I can’t say I agree, as a Movie, it was good but not a must-see for a casual star wars fan. Maybe a solid 6 or 7 out of 10 as a movie. I though Jamnji was a much better movie as far as entertainment goes.
Are you a casual fan or a die hard fan? I find the former hard to believe.
Just like VIII would explain Rey’s magical force powers?
Part of what yotsuya is saying is that when all is said and done, the things that the ST is actually about will be clear, rather than what fans think the ST should be about or want it to be about.
I would wager it’s fair to say the die hard fans are about evenly split. I think most casual fans at least liked it, if not loved it. Thing with SW is there are a lot more casual fans.
SW is nothing like the MCU. And I say that mostly liking the MCU.
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/75245044/it-will-be.jpg)
TLJ has set things up perfectly for the franchise to fit in the mold.
TLJ does more to show that it won’t be tbh, but I have thought it would become more MCU-like since the announcement of standalone films.
This. I honestly don’t understand the opposite mindset.
My explanation is, because you approach TLJ from the perspective of a fan of both the series, and the film itself. Having spoken with a few of my friends who are not Star Wars fans, but liked TLJ, they liked TLJ, precisely because it is a more an MCU type movie with fun characters and lots of humor, and not the typical Star Wars film. In my view it has all the hallmarks of a MCU film. Even it’s Jedi heroine is more the super hero type, having been magically given these amazing super powers, like so many of the MCU heroes, while it’s villain is irredeemably evil waiting to be dispatched, and replaced by the next villain of the month.
Well obviously I disagree completely, but especially about the villain. The MCU is of course infamous for its shit villains. But Kylo Ren is quite possibly (and I say this with sincerity) already one of the all time great villains.
I also thought he was a great villain in TFA and to a somewhat lesser degree in TLJ, but much of the complexity, conflict, and family history that made him interesting to me have been removed when he replaced Snoke, and was given up upon by Luke and his mother. He’s now irredeemably evil it seems, ready to be dispatched.
I don’t see how getting rid of Snoke makes him anything but more interesting, and I think on the second part, you’re misreading it entirely.
Kylo Ren is Darth Vader in reverse. He starts out as the complex, and conflicted villain, but as the trilogy progresses, he becomes more, and more the one note evil villain Vader was in ANH. As a villain his arc is more or less completed. He’s rejected his family, killed the past, and taken his master’s place. He now rules the galaxy. All his family is dead. Since I don’t expect he will be redeemed in episode IX, the only thing left for him to do is die.
You’re missing the nuance. Kylo Ren is now the Supreme Leader and is supposedly all ready to destroy everything and take control of whatever is rest. But there’s more going on there. He thinks he knows what he wants, but it’s not that simple. When the dice disappear and Rey shuts the door on him, it’s clear that what he has now is really nothing at all. He’s just as conflicted as ever, if not more so.
SW is nothing like the MCU. And I say that mostly liking the MCU.
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/75245044/it-will-be.jpg)
TLJ has set things up perfectly for the franchise to fit in the mold.
TLJ does more to show that it won’t be tbh, but I have thought it would become more MCU-like since the announcement of standalone films.
This. I honestly don’t understand the opposite mindset.
My explanation is, because you approach TLJ from the perspective of a fan of both the series, and the film itself. Having spoken with a few of my friends who are not Star Wars fans, but liked TLJ, they liked TLJ, precisely because it is a more an MCU type movie with fun characters and lots of humor, and not the typical Star Wars film. In my view it has all the hallmarks of a MCU film. Even it’s Jedi heroine is more the super hero type, having been magically given these amazing super powers, like so many of the MCU heroes, while it’s villain is irredeemably evil waiting to be dispatched, and replaced by the next villain of the month.
Well obviously I disagree completely, but especially about the villain. The MCU is of course infamous for its shit villains. But Kylo Ren is quite possibly (and I say this with sincerity) already one of the all time great villains.
I also thought he was a great villain in TFA and to a somewhat lesser degree in TLJ, but much of the complexity, conflict, and family history that made him interesting to me have been removed when he replaced Snoke, and was given up upon by Luke and his mother. He’s now irredeemably evil it seems, ready to be dispatched.
I don’t see how getting rid of Snoke makes him anything but more interesting, and I think on the second part, you’re misreading it entirely.
SW is nothing like the MCU. And I say that mostly liking the MCU.
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/75245044/it-will-be.jpg)
TLJ has set things up perfectly for the franchise to fit in the mold.
TLJ does more to show that it won’t be tbh, but I have thought it would become more MCU-like since the announcement of standalone films.
This. I honestly don’t understand the opposite mindset.
My explanation is, because you approach TLJ from the perspective of a fan of both the series, and the film itself. Having spoken with a few of my friends who are not Star Wars fans, but liked TLJ, they liked TLJ, precisely because it is a more an MCU type movie with fun characters and lots of humor, and not the typical Star Wars film. In my view it has all the hallmarks of a MCU film. Even it’s Jedi heroine is more the super hero type, having been magically given these amazing super powers, like so many of the MCU heroes, while it’s villain is irredeemably evil waiting to be dispatched, and replaced by the next villain of the month.
Well obviously I disagree completely, but especially about the villain. The MCU is of course infamous for its shit villains. But Kylo Ren is quite possibly (and I say this with sincerity) already one of the all time great villains.
Dre seems to think they threw the old themes of the OT in the trash bin. I don’t think that’s true at all. They just complimented and complicated them, which I think was necessary to grow the franchise, rather than keep it stagnant and same-y (like most other franchises do).
SW is nothing like the MCU. And I say that mostly liking the MCU.
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/75245044/it-will-be.jpg)
TLJ has set things up perfectly for the franchise to fit in the mold.
TLJ does more to show that it won’t be tbh, but I have thought it would become more MCU-like since the announcement of standalone films.
This. I honestly don’t understand the opposite mindset.
SW is nothing like the MCU. And I say that mostly liking the MCU.
Moon (2009)
I liked it.
I don’t get it.
I think that’s one of them YouTube reviewers I don’t care about but beyond that I still don’t get it.
I do not like YouTube “reviewers.”
Fixed.
Well this thread grew in my brief absence (I suppose not a surprise at all).
All I’ll say is I’m with NFB, what TLJ did is exactly what SW needed to not become any other blockbuster franchise.
I honestly don’t remember. It’s amazing it’s gone on this long.
If memory serves, the debate was about whether Luke was in character, yadda, yadda, yadda. Someone gave a list of dark or dark-ish behaviors Luke perpetrated in ROTJ: cutting off Vader’s hand, putting nipple clamps on an Ewok, force choking people, etc. Warb expressed confusion at the force choking thing, and here we are!
At least the Ewok nipple clamp was pretty unambiguous, no room for debate there.
DrDre said:
Either way none of the films suggested balance of the Force implies dark and light balancing each other, and dark rising to balance light or vicd versa. In any case this interpretation has been debunked by Lucas himself.To be fair this is inconsistent in the prequels like everything else. Lucas is hardly creating a fully developed canon ahead of time for later film makers to reference. In TPM they say the Sith were extinct, and the boy could just be “the one”. Then in (I think ROTS) this changes suddenly when Obi-wan says Anakin was destined to create balance by “destroying the Sith”. Who were extinct.
I agree, and I never really liked the Chosen One/balance angle, since it was little more than a plot device, and pretty underdeveloped.
I was actually fine with Rey’s depiction in TFA, and accepted that she was able to figure some things out for herself. She initially failed in using the Jedi mind trick, and Kylo Ren was seriously injured, and I expected her to be trained by Luke in TLJ, but in the end all she got from Luke were a couple of incomplete lessons, and some books, and despite this her Force powers continued to grow to the extend, that she beat Luke in a duel, saved Kylo in their battle with Snoke’s guards, and moved a ton of rocks with ease. That’s where I checked out.
- She did not beat Luke in that duel
So, Luke wasn’t put on his back with Rey grabbing and pointing a lightsaber at him? I think she had the high ground, a sure win in the Star Wars universe since 2005. :p
They were in a stick duel, which Luke won because he knocked hers out of her hand. Taking out the lightsaber was cheating, of course he fell back because all he had was a stick, I don’t see how that could be construed as her winning.
Winning a battle is not about playing fair. That’s called sport. If Rey had the intention of killing Luke, he would be a Force ghost. Therefore, she won the fight. She cheated, and she, a complete novice, beat a Jedi Master.
Respectfully, that’s completely ridiculous. You can’t say “if she had the intention,” because she didn’t and Luke knew that. If she did, things would have gone differently. Even without a lightsaber Luke could have easily bested her with the force. Literally all that happened was she caught him off guard with the saber. Equating that to "she beat a Jedi master is absolutely absurd. You’re just forcing this scene to fit your argument. That’s clearly not what happened.
- She didn’t “save” Ren, she just helped him
She helped him, such that the guard wouldn’t kill Ren, ergo it makes sense to conclude she saved him.
She just gave him the saber, he saved himself. This just shows them working as a team - using this to suggest she is more powerful than him is pretty silly.
There’s nothing in that scene, that suggests she is less powerful than Kylo. Unlike Kylo, she’s able to not get herself into a jam while fighting the guards, suggestung she’s actually more competent. It is not Rey who needs help, which would have been appropriate, since she’s far less experienced, but it’s Kylo. Had she not helped Kylo, he would be in serious trouble.
You’re forcing, again. Think how common a trope it is where the main hero is about to die and someone shoots the guy about to shoot them last minute. Does that make that person who got the shot first more powerful? No. Obviously this is a bad comparison, but only because the better comparison would be a scene where the other person throws the hero a gun and then they get the shot.
Not to mention that she’s just repaying the favor, considering Kylo did essentially the same thing (though very differently) by killing Snoke.
And also, I never said Kylo is more powerful. In fact, the film outright says they are equals. Now I understand you think that’s bullshit because Rey wasn’t trained as much, but I don’t really think that even factors into this scene.
- We didn’t actually see her lift the rocks, so we don’t know how “easy” it was
They didn’t show any strain on her face, like for example with Yoda in AOTC, or Luke in TESB. Therefore it makes sense to assume it was easier for her than either of those characters. Also, Luke wasn’t able to perform such an act after being trained by Yoda, straining to keep a few rocks afloat during the training sequence.
Yoda makes it clear that Luke could lift the x-wing if he had the right mindset. This isn’t like training to lift weights or being at a high level in a video game to do a certain power. It’s a matter of tapping properly into your potential.
I have problems with this scene myself but I don’t see anything wrong with the simple fact of her having the ability to lift rocks.
Considering that she’s been able to do all this Jedi stuff with zero effort, this lifting rocks thing is just the cherry on the cake for me. It contrasts strongly with the Luke lifting the X-wing scene, with the film seemingly suggesting Rey’s just better than Luke at everything, despite not recieving any training, or studying the Force herself. She just magically has these powers. That makes her a bland character for me. It’s not enough for her to be talented like Luke, the next new hope, she needs to be Luke on steroids.
I don’t think the film suggests she’s better than Luke at all. I mean yes, technically if you compare them she is, but the film doesn’t make a big deal of it, she just is and I don’t really understand what’s wrong with that (I guess it’s that old EU thing of “Luke is the most powerful force user ever”?). Yes she has these powers magically. Because the force is magic. No it doesn’t follow the exact arc of physical training that Luke received. But that doesn’t make her a bland character at all. Are superheroes bland characters because they get their powers in an instant? No, of course not (and that’s not saying that Rey becomes a superhero in an instant). The depth that her character has does not come from her physical journey. It comes from her internal, emotional journey.
Hate to say it, but this is an instance of people being mad that Rey isn’t exactly like Luke.
