DominicCobb

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

Literally the whole point of Luke showing up and making a scene is inspiring hope across the galaxy.

“The Rebellion is reborn today.”

The Resistance won’t be able to fit on the Falcon for long. This is made pretty clear in the film.

Yeah, but that all depends how the FO will rule the galaxy. It’s not two major organisations backed by various systems like in the OT. In ANH many systems were rebellung against the Empire, because it was oppressing the galaxy. Now it’s hundreds of thousands of troops versus fifty people. If the FO are smart, there won’t be a Resistance ever.

Luke didn’t just inspire little kids with brooms. He inspired everyone who sympathizes with the Resistance’s plight, including, as is implied, their allies in the Outer Rim.

Literally the whole point of Luke showing up and making a scene is inspiring hope across the galaxy.

“The Rebellion is reborn today.”

The Resistance won’t be able to fit on the Falcon for long. This is made pretty clear in the film.

TK-949 said:

DominicCobb said:

It’s all arbitrary anyway. Makes more sense to me that the millennium started on 1/1/2000 so that’s the way I consider it. That’s the way most people consider it anyway.

So, by your definition we still live in the 20th century.

I don’t know why I bothered

Zak fett said:

One part of the discussion we need. The boy at the end
Info
• Name is temri blagg
• force sensitive
• fathier carer
• Abandoned by parents (like rey)
• Slave (like anakin)
What are your thoughts on the matter and what role do you think he’ll get in IX

The boy is incredibly important in regards to the resolution of Luke’s story (and to a lesser extent Finn and Rose’s). Who he is doesn’t matter. He won’t be back.

It’s all arbitrary anyway. Makes more sense to me that the millennium started on 1/1/2000 so that’s the way I consider it. That’s the way most people consider it anyway.

But AD 1 means there’s been 1 year in AD. You don’t just start with 1. Like, people aren’t born at age 1.

No.

Greetings from the year 2018.

Greetings from the year 2017.

There is one thing that I feel like is possible they could clarify in IX. It’s there in TFA and TLJ, though it’s vague, but basically it’s the concept of the awakening. I think that both Kylo Ren and Rey have both been granted (for whatever reason) incredible force capabilities. Training, for them, isn’t so much gaining skills as it is learning what to do with the skills they are being granted. When you look at it this way, it’s not so much important how Rey has these skills or even why, but what she chooses to do with them that makes her story compelling.

On a similar train of thought, when the announced the title of TFA, I thought it was possible that there was an awakening in the force that had caused people all over to suddenly be in tune with the force. After seeing the film, I thought it might just refer to Rey, though I kept the possibility at the back of my mind. With TLJ’s ending, I think there’s still a chance I might not have been too far off.

We’ll see what IX holds.

dahmage said:

TV’s Frink said:

I like Rogue One better every time I see it.

Yes

No. dahmage remember you are not allowed to disagree with me.

Pretty much anyone on this site is a die hard. By my definition anyway.

Yeah at least on the soundtrack the TLJ opening is the same as TFA, which is really frustrating (although I’m still holding out hope that it’s a new recording in the film itself, as Rian has said they recorded a new version).

As for substitutes, there are plenty of orchestral albums out there with recordings of the SW main title.

Also, as far as I can tell this film doesn’t reuse any old music (unlike, say, Rey grabbing the lightsaber in TFA), although there are many moments with similar arrangements of old themes, but they’re all new recordings.

But are those people millennials?

Porkins4real said:

DominicCobb said:

I would wager it’s fair to say the die hard fans are about evenly split. I think most casual fans at least liked it, if not loved it. Thing with SW is there are a lot more casual fans.

I can’t say I agree, as a Movie, it was good but not a must-see for a casual star wars fan. Maybe a solid 6 or 7 out of 10 as a movie. I though Jamnji was a much better movie as far as entertainment goes.

Are you a casual fan or a die hard fan? I find the former hard to believe.

Collipso said:

Just like VIII would explain Rey’s magical force powers?

Part of what yotsuya is saying is that when all is said and done, the things that the ST is actually about will be clear, rather than what fans think the ST should be about or want it to be about.

I would wager it’s fair to say the die hard fans are about evenly split. I think most casual fans at least liked it, if not loved it. Thing with SW is there are a lot more casual fans.

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

NFBisms said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

SW is nothing like the MCU. And I say that mostly liking the MCU.

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/75245044/it-will-be.jpg)

TLJ has set things up perfectly for the franchise to fit in the mold.

TLJ does more to show that it won’t be tbh, but I have thought it would become more MCU-like since the announcement of standalone films.

This. I honestly don’t understand the opposite mindset.

My explanation is, because you approach TLJ from the perspective of a fan of both the series, and the film itself. Having spoken with a few of my friends who are not Star Wars fans, but liked TLJ, they liked TLJ, precisely because it is a more an MCU type movie with fun characters and lots of humor, and not the typical Star Wars film. In my view it has all the hallmarks of a MCU film. Even it’s Jedi heroine is more the super hero type, having been magically given these amazing super powers, like so many of the MCU heroes, while it’s villain is irredeemably evil waiting to be dispatched, and replaced by the next villain of the month.

Well obviously I disagree completely, but especially about the villain. The MCU is of course infamous for its shit villains. But Kylo Ren is quite possibly (and I say this with sincerity) already one of the all time great villains.

I also thought he was a great villain in TFA and to a somewhat lesser degree in TLJ, but much of the complexity, conflict, and family history that made him interesting to me have been removed when he replaced Snoke, and was given up upon by Luke and his mother. He’s now irredeemably evil it seems, ready to be dispatched.

I don’t see how getting rid of Snoke makes him anything but more interesting, and I think on the second part, you’re misreading it entirely.

Kylo Ren is Darth Vader in reverse. He starts out as the complex, and conflicted villain, but as the trilogy progresses, he becomes more, and more the one note evil villain Vader was in ANH. As a villain his arc is more or less completed. He’s rejected his family, killed the past, and taken his master’s place. He now rules the galaxy. All his family is dead. Since I don’t expect he will be redeemed in episode IX, the only thing left for him to do is die.

You’re missing the nuance. Kylo Ren is now the Supreme Leader and is supposedly all ready to destroy everything and take control of whatever is rest. But there’s more going on there. He thinks he knows what he wants, but it’s not that simple. When the dice disappear and Rey shuts the door on him, it’s clear that what he has now is really nothing at all. He’s just as conflicted as ever, if not more so.

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

NFBisms said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

SW is nothing like the MCU. And I say that mostly liking the MCU.

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/75245044/it-will-be.jpg)

TLJ has set things up perfectly for the franchise to fit in the mold.

TLJ does more to show that it won’t be tbh, but I have thought it would become more MCU-like since the announcement of standalone films.

This. I honestly don’t understand the opposite mindset.

My explanation is, because you approach TLJ from the perspective of a fan of both the series, and the film itself. Having spoken with a few of my friends who are not Star Wars fans, but liked TLJ, they liked TLJ, precisely because it is a more an MCU type movie with fun characters and lots of humor, and not the typical Star Wars film. In my view it has all the hallmarks of a MCU film. Even it’s Jedi heroine is more the super hero type, having been magically given these amazing super powers, like so many of the MCU heroes, while it’s villain is irredeemably evil waiting to be dispatched, and replaced by the next villain of the month.

Well obviously I disagree completely, but especially about the villain. The MCU is of course infamous for its shit villains. But Kylo Ren is quite possibly (and I say this with sincerity) already one of the all time great villains.

I also thought he was a great villain in TFA and to a somewhat lesser degree in TLJ, but much of the complexity, conflict, and family history that made him interesting to me have been removed when he replaced Snoke, and was given up upon by Luke and his mother. He’s now irredeemably evil it seems, ready to be dispatched.

I don’t see how getting rid of Snoke makes him anything but more interesting, and I think on the second part, you’re misreading it entirely.

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

NFBisms said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

SW is nothing like the MCU. And I say that mostly liking the MCU.

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/75245044/it-will-be.jpg)

TLJ has set things up perfectly for the franchise to fit in the mold.

TLJ does more to show that it won’t be tbh, but I have thought it would become more MCU-like since the announcement of standalone films.

This. I honestly don’t understand the opposite mindset.

My explanation is, because you approach TLJ from the perspective of a fan of both the series, and the film itself. Having spoken with a few of my friends who are not Star Wars fans, but liked TLJ, they liked TLJ, precisely because it is a more an MCU type movie with fun characters and lots of humor, and not the typical Star Wars film. In my view it has all the hallmarks of a MCU film. Even it’s Jedi heroine is more the super hero type, having been magically given these amazing super powers, like so many of the MCU heroes, while it’s villain is irredeemably evil waiting to be dispatched, and replaced by the next villain of the month.

Well obviously I disagree completely, but especially about the villain. The MCU is of course infamous for its shit villains. But Kylo Ren is quite possibly (and I say this with sincerity) already one of the all time great villains.

Dre seems to think they threw the old themes of the OT in the trash bin. I don’t think that’s true at all. They just complimented and complicated them, which I think was necessary to grow the franchise, rather than keep it stagnant and same-y (like most other franchises do).

NFBisms said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

SW is nothing like the MCU. And I say that mostly liking the MCU.

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/75245044/it-will-be.jpg)

TLJ has set things up perfectly for the franchise to fit in the mold.

TLJ does more to show that it won’t be tbh, but I have thought it would become more MCU-like since the announcement of standalone films.

This. I honestly don’t understand the opposite mindset.

SW is nothing like the MCU. And I say that mostly liking the MCU.

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

paja said:

TV’s Frink said:

Moon (2009)

I liked it.

I don’t get it.

I think that’s one of them YouTube reviewers I don’t care about but beyond that I still don’t get it.

I do not like YouTube “reviewers.”

Fixed.

Well this thread grew in my brief absence (I suppose not a surprise at all).

All I’ll say is I’m with NFB, what TLJ did is exactly what SW needed to not become any other blockbuster franchise.