It worked perfectly in Blade Runner because it was supposed to be a bit uncanny valley.
Rogue One, on the other hand… I don’t mind it that much but I don’t really buy it.
Luke ran away at a moment when he could have stayed and averted the entire rise of the First Order. It was precisely because Luke left that Snoke Kylo and others had an opportunity to lay waste to the galaxy. This is also why, while I love aspects of the epicness of Luke’s end on Crait, the argument that we should celebrate Luke’s effort as something that should inspire the galaxy and was an amazing act of sacrifice requires me to completely ignore the fact that Luke’s cowardice created and then grew the very enemies he is now being lauded for inspiring people to fight back against.
Lets celebrate Luke simply holding off (not defeating) enemies that have already essentially crushed everything he and his friends worked their entire lives for, enemies that he could have stopped before they even got started, if he had simply not run away. Yay?
By contrast, Obi-Wan and Yoda went into exile not as cowards but because they were literally all that was left of their order, but even in spite of that they had a plan in place to fight back against their enemies. They were playing the long game.
Luke on the other hand played no sort of game and just peaced out. Yet in the end I should celebrate the fact that he has basically brought the good guys back to a barely less state than they were when we first began his path in the Force. Honestly that’s pathetic.
And thats the bottom line for so many of us, they made Luke Skywalker pathetic. Even his victory and redemption really means nothing in the end. True victory and redemption would have been to not only acknowledge his cowardice openly (he never does) but also actually make up for it by striking his own blow to the first order.
Why not let Luke be able to get to do the damage that the Holdo Maneuver caused, for example, and go out in a blaze of glory? (I suggested this in another forum) Have him actually show up in the flesh on Crait before the rebels land there and still have all their transports, and bring down the star destroyer into the planet, killing him but giving the Resistance/rebels critical time to escape and (this is the key part) dealing the first order a critical blow, essentially making up in a small way for letting them become so big during his exile. Being more than just a distraction. He deserved something more like that.
The movie explored the nature of heroism - it’s not just about fighting what you hate, it’s saving what you love. Rose spells that out in a really cheesy dumb line at the end there in case you missed it. You can disagree with the message, but that’s still a part of RotJ and Star Wars in general to me.
Luke by the end of his arc in the OT learned to deal with things not with a lightsaber and violence, but with patience and a little compassion. He refused to strike down his father and threw his lightsaber away in a demonstration of his ideals. I don’t think his style is to wreck shit with a lightsaber and deal “critical blows.” Especially before the events of TFA, to a faction that hadn’t even done anything yet. And I’d wager being a force ghost and “more powerful than you can possibly imagine” is a lot better than kamikazing the FO just to hurt them.
Yes, his failure with Ben was a failure of himself and those ideals. But that’s the point of his guilt and disillusionment in himself. I don’t think he’d so soon after shamefully giving into his fear - if even for a second - do the same thing again, just with Snoke and the FO prior to TFA. After he has spent so long and gone through so much to develop that wisdom, he’s not going to make the same mistake twice. So he did what he thought was best, stay away. End the Jedi. To stop this madness forever. This whole cycle - the teachings that turned Vader and Kylo - ends with him. After all, the force and the light of it don’t belong to the Jedi Order. There will always be good and light with or without them. Just like there was still darkness after the Sith, otherwise we wouldn’t have Snoke.
I just don’t think TLJ asks us to celebrate Luke as an infallible legend, but as a man - more like you and me - who, in spite of his failures, was able to get back up from a rut and find a hero inside himself again. In some ways, that’s more true to the humanity of the character than the version many people wanted to see. The idea is that no one really deserves that burden. We’re all just people at the end of the day, even your heroes.
Don’t get me wrong, I’d be fine if we got the other thing too. But that’s what surprised me and what resonated with me with TLJ. They managed to take a less obvious path with the character that paid off in a way that was more poignant and emotional than I was expecting from Star Wars. We sometimes forget that Luke was just a simple farm boy and not always the self assured Jedi Knight from RotJ; he doesn’t lose his humanity just because he grew up. That was always his strength and what won against the Emperor in the first place - his compassion and love for his father. He wasn’t special because he kicked ass.
edit: WOW i’ve been beating a dead horse, i’ll shut up now. i just see the same thing all the time and no one ever responds to what i say all the way im sorry
All good. Outstanding post and you put a lot of time and effort into it. Nothing to apologise for. I completely get that view. Just don’t share it. I feel that by stepping away after he made his mistake of considering killing Ben (which I have decided to accept since no one’s perfect), Luke was even more guilty of not “saving what he loved” and by his passivity as a response, arguably caused the very deaths he foresaw. I guess I would think Luke as a hero would feel a sense of responsibility to use his powers to fight back especially since he is to blame for the mess of the First Order. I feel like every character should have a limit to patience and compassion especially when it causes deaths on a massive scale. But to each his or her own!
I guess the other bottom line for me was, I had been prepared for years for his death and had thought about all the ways Luke could die and how it would be the most emotional/saddest yet coolest thing ever. Luke going out in an epic blaze of glory was something I had dreamed of for years. And when he actually died, I got really confused and didn’t even realize he was dead until the scene shifted to the Falcon. That sucks but I’m glad you and others were moved by it and got to experience what I feel like I was robbed of (whether my own fault or not).
In hindsight, the callback to binary suns was absolutely beautiful (as the moment in ANH is arguably one of the most emotional moments in film history). But I feel like not even being prepared for it took away the resonance of the moment for me. Normally in movies surprises are fun, but I feel like I found out that for me, surprises take away the resonance of moments that should be moving.
I think a big part of it is, that TLJ completely alters the perspective on the character of Luke Skywalker. Some here are trying to defend his characterization by arguing, that TLJ Luke is a logical exponent of early OT Luke, which I don’t agree with. TLJ Luke is as much a retcon as the ROTJ final victory being undone.
Luke was the Yin to his father’s Yang. In the OT his character was set up to have most if not all of his father’s flaws, but unlike his father he was to make the right choices. His destiny was to pass on what he had learned, to surpass his elders, to become a legend.
We skip to ST continuity, where the Alliance’s victory did not lead to a lasting peace. Han and Leia who were destined to be together, got a monster kid, and they separated. It’s not that later generations squandered the OT’s victory, it’s the very heroes of the OT who let it slip through their fingers. The OT fairy tale did not have a fairy tale ending.
The ST represents the reality check of Star Wars. Legends and fairy tales are not real, and TLJ Luke Skywalker is an exponent of that. The OT Luke Skywalker is an icon, someone we aspire to be. TLJ Luke is like discovering the father you allways looked up to, is an alcoholic. He’s more human, and stripped from his iconic status. Sure, he went to AA meetings and finally sobered up, but you never quite look at him in the same way you used to.
The OT is a fairy tale, like Santa Clause, and here’s RJ to tell you Santa Clause does not exist. He’s just some guy in a suit. Christmas is never quite the same to you. Sure, your kids look to this new guy (or girl actually) who’s now wearing the suit, and see Santa Clause, but you know it’s a fake beard, because Star Wars is not a fairytale anymore.
Me personally, I really love this about TLJ. Legends and fairy tales may not be real, but the lessons and messages we take from them are still important. And even if real life isn’t perfect, the future is always worth fighting for.
Exactly.
Start with the original.
Now this is good 😉
Perfect.
https://nerdist.com/the-last-jedi-mark-hamill-mo-cap-performance-canto-bight/
Oh interesting. I just assumed that his second role was voice only. That’s cool.
What was the jingling part again?
All the coins that were put into BB-8 at the casino by a drunk gambler.
No I know I mean what was the funny part regarding the coins jingling. As opposed to the part where the alien puts the coins in, or the part where he shoots them at the security guards.
It’s kinda subtle, but in every scene with BB-8 in between when the alien slots the coins in and BB shoots them out, when he moves around you can hear jingling.
I believe the CGI alien that put coins in BB8 is Mark Hamill. I read that somewhere. Is that right?
That’s speculation, which I doubt because it doesn’t say anything.
I’m pretty sure Hamill voices the first alien we see on Canto Bight (the mustache twirling one on the yacht). But I don’t think they’ve revealed anything officially.
Oh hey a video review. Hard pass.
dahmaged if you can understand Phasma and bits 'o Finn complaints, I think you have to add BB-8 in there as well. Specifically, the walker sequence.
Why though? Chewie once hijacked a walker. Droids can’t?
Well, Chewie is an experienced pilot that uses his arms everyday. BB-8 is a droid that seemingly relies on a his data port or whatever to jack in to transportation vessels to operate them. It is a stretch.
Isn’t that what he does though? Or are you saying that’s hard to believe (but that’s what droids do)?
If I recall, he uses his little arm thingys to pull on the various levers to make the walker move.
If so, that is a little silly, but I don’t think the idea of a droid piloting a walker is a bad one (and it was a nice “yay!” moment in the theater).
Dom, do you not think you’re going out of your way to defend a stupid sequence?
No, I simply don’t think it was all that stupid. My honest reaction in the theater was “this is fun.”
To me, BB-8 in this movie was some droid factory material from AotC, especially that walker sequence and the weaponized coins.
I thought the coins was a nice bit. But honestly my only problem with the droid factory is A) R2 having jets which feels inconsistent with the OT, and B) C-3PO swapping heads with a battle droid which makes no sense and only serves to provide comic relief (which isn’t in any way funny).
Oh hey a video review. Hard pass.
dahmaged if you can understand Phasma and bits 'o Finn complaints, I think you have to add BB-8 in there as well. Specifically, the walker sequence.
Why though? Chewie once hijacked a walker. Droids can’t?
Well, Chewie is an experienced pilot that uses his arms everyday. BB-8 is a droid that seemingly relies on a his data port or whatever to jack in to transportation vessels to operate them. It is a stretch.
Isn’t that what he does though? Or are you saying that’s hard to believe (but that’s what droids do)?
Chewie drove an intact (practical) walker. BB-8 drove a (CGI) walker with only legs. Even if that should be possible (which I doubt), it looked bad. And then Rose and Finn hoped on, which also looked bad. Like something out of the PT.
Okay, if you’re talking execution I get it. I didn’t mind the shot where it reveals it’s BB-8, but it does look goofy when the whole crew hops on.
Oh hey a video review. Hard pass.
dahmaged if you can understand Phasma and bits 'o Finn complaints, I think you have to add BB-8 in there as well. Specifically, the walker sequence.
Why though? Chewie once hijacked a walker. Droids can’t?
This isn’t a criticism of the film, but kind of a Fridge moment for me: How does Finn know how to pilot a sandskimmer? (Vaguely; he forgets to engage a certain stabilization thing but seems to have no issues after that) Wasn’t the whole reason he teamed up with Poe in TFA because he didn’t know how to pilot aircraft? I don’t think it has to do with being unfamiliar with a TIE and familiar with the sandskimmer. After all, Star wars seems to imply that piloting experience is a transferable skill; piloting one ship means you’re good at piloting them all. Nevermind that the Sandskimmer seems like it’s supposed to be a vehicle that was outdated before Finn was born, so he’d likely never be trained to pilot one.
There’s a difference between piloting a speeder and an aircraft. A speeder is more like a car, while an aircraft is like an aircraft. I don’t think it’s hard to imagine that Finn knew how to operate speeders (in fact he does so in one of the TFA deleted scenes).
I’m actually about to start reading The Stand again (for the first time in years).
Ehhhh disagree. I’m not sure that’d work or be even necessary. The broom boy character strikes just the right balance of randomness.
Has there been an article or Reddit post about that lightsaber shot recently? Everyone is discussing it all of a sudden.
What I was thinking.
Literally the whole point of Luke showing up and making a scene is inspiring hope across the galaxy.
“The Rebellion is reborn today.”
The Resistance won’t be able to fit on the Falcon for long. This is made pretty clear in the film.
Yeah, but that all depends how the FO will rule the galaxy. It’s not two major organisations backed by various systems like in the OT. In ANH many systems were rebellung against the Empire, because it was oppressing the galaxy. Now it’s hundreds of thousands of troops versus fifty people. If the FO are smart, there won’t be a Resistance ever.
Luke didn’t just inspire little kids with brooms. He inspired everyone who sympathizes with the Resistance’s plight, including, as is implied, their allies in the Outer Rim.
Sympathy that will only last if the FO are an oppressive force. The Resistance have no allies. Their socalled allies in the outer rim didn’t answer.
If the FO set up a benevolent form of government, the Resistance will never rise again, and quickly fade into obscurity. That is as decisive a victory as victories can be. It’s completely up to the FO to drop the ball.
First of all, the FO does not control the galaxy yet. They are in the process of picking up the pieces during the course of TLJ, that is why the quest for Luke is so dire (Rey states this outright in the film). Their ruling style is irrelevant. They are a fascist regime that favors the wealthy and corrupt. The only way the gain power is by leveling whole communities. The goal is to stop them before they can take full control.
And the allies didn’t answer because “the spark has gone out.” Luke reignited the spark. That’s literally the whole point of the climax.
According to the info from the film, the FO will take full control in weeks. That seems a very short time frame for our miniscule group of rebels.
But don’t you understand that it’s not just the “minuscule” group anymore by the end because of Luke?
Rebellions require organisation, a base of operations, personel, extensive training, equipment, and financial resources to support all of the previous. Boys with brooms ain’t gonna cut it. That’s an other thing TLJ threw out of the window, a sense of realism in conflicts, and a sense of scale and time. The FO almost instanteneously wiped out the New Republic at the start of FO, and now the Rebellion has to be rebuild from scratch, much like at the end of ROTS. It took the Alliance two decades to build their organisation between the PT and the OT, but I’m sure by episode IX there will be a full fledged Rebel Alliance ready to resume control of the galaxy, where if the film adhered to previous Star Wars continuity, Rey should be looking for the next new hope.
This conversation is literally going in circles.
So here’s what I said a few posts ago:
Luke didn’t just inspire little kids with brooms. He inspired everyone who sympathizes with the Resistance’s plight, including, as is implied, their allies in the Outer Rim.
For one the idea that Luke inspired a significant number of star systems to rise up against the FO is an assumption. Most star systems are probably too afraid to act, or even be associated with the Resistance. Inspiration isn’t going to protect them from the FO’s acts of retalliation, should they discover a star system is supporting the Reistance. Luke’s bold gesture may ahve inspired children, but in the grand scheme of things, it has achieved nothing of military value. The FO is as strong as ever, and will be consolidating their power, while the Resistance is decimated to the point, that they have no personal, funds, and equipment.
Secondly, even if several systems were inspired, they can’t openly support the new rebellion. Just like after the rise of the Empire a rebellion will have to be organized out of whole cloth. From the ROTS book and deleted scenes, we know that the first seeds of rebellion were sown the moment Palpatine introduced his new Empire. These were some powerful and influencial people, backed by some powerful and influential systems, but it took them twenty years to fully form the Alliance, and to become a significant threat to the Empire’s power structure. Like I said, if ep. IX adheres to Star Wars continuity (which it won’t), it would take up to two decades to reform a full fledged Alliance, in which case Rey would not be the next Luke, but the next Obi-Wan.
I think you’re making the mistake of assuming things that ought not be assumed.
If we’d gotten even a minute of broom boy in the Casino Bight scenes his ending would be much more defensible.
Um… what?
Also, Spielbergian? Not Lucasian?
Literally the whole point of Luke showing up and making a scene is inspiring hope across the galaxy.
“The Rebellion is reborn today.”
The Resistance won’t be able to fit on the Falcon for long. This is made pretty clear in the film.
Yeah, but that all depends how the FO will rule the galaxy. It’s not two major organisations backed by various systems like in the OT. In ANH many systems were rebellung against the Empire, because it was oppressing the galaxy. Now it’s hundreds of thousands of troops versus fifty people. If the FO are smart, there won’t be a Resistance ever.
Luke didn’t just inspire little kids with brooms. He inspired everyone who sympathizes with the Resistance’s plight, including, as is implied, their allies in the Outer Rim.
Sympathy that will only last if the FO are an oppressive force. The Resistance have no allies. Their socalled allies in the outer rim didn’t answer.
If the FO set up a benevolent form of government, the Resistance will never rise again, and quickly fade into obscurity. That is as decisive a victory as victories can be. It’s completely up to the FO to drop the ball.
First of all, the FO does not control the galaxy yet. They are in the process of picking up the pieces during the course of TLJ, that is why the quest for Luke is so dire (Rey states this outright in the film). Their ruling style is irrelevant. They are a fascist regime that favors the wealthy and corrupt. The only way the gain power is by leveling whole communities. The goal is to stop them before they can take full control.
And the allies didn’t answer because “the spark has gone out.” Luke reignited the spark. That’s literally the whole point of the climax.
According to the info from the film, the FO will take full control in weeks. That seems a very short time frame for our miniscule group of rebels.
But don’t you understand that it’s not just the “minuscule” group anymore by the end because of Luke?
Rebellions require organisation, a base of operations, personel, extensive training, equipment, and financial resources to support all of the previous. Boys with brooms ain’t gonna cut it. That’s an other thing TLJ threw out of the window, a sense of realism in conflicts, and a sense of scale and time. The FO almost instanteneously wiped out the New Republic at the start of FO, and now the Rebellion has to be rebuild from scratch, much like at the end of ROTS. It took the Alliance two decades to build their organisation between the PT and the OT, but I’m sure by episode IX there will be a full fledged Rebel Alliance ready to resume control of the galaxy, where if the film adhered to previous Star Wars continuity, Rey should be looking for the next new hope.
This conversation is literally going in circles.
So here’s what I said a few posts ago:
Luke didn’t just inspire little kids with brooms. He inspired everyone who sympathizes with the Resistance’s plight, including, as is implied, their allies in the Outer Rim.
Literally the whole point of Luke showing up and making a scene is inspiring hope across the galaxy.
“The Rebellion is reborn today.”
The Resistance won’t be able to fit on the Falcon for long. This is made pretty clear in the film.
Yeah, but that all depends how the FO will rule the galaxy. It’s not two major organisations backed by various systems like in the OT. In ANH many systems were rebellung against the Empire, because it was oppressing the galaxy. Now it’s hundreds of thousands of troops versus fifty people. If the FO are smart, there won’t be a Resistance ever.
Luke didn’t just inspire little kids with brooms. He inspired everyone who sympathizes with the Resistance’s plight, including, as is implied, their allies in the Outer Rim.
Sympathy that will only last if the FO are an oppressive force. The Resistance have no allies. Their socalled allies in the outer rim didn’t answer.
If the FO set up a benevolent form of government, the Resistance will never rise again, and quickly fade into obscurity. That is as decisive a victory as victories can be. It’s completely up to the FO to drop the ball.
Not technically wrong about how the FO can win, but that’s probably not how it’s going to go lol.
They’re probably going to continue being an evil empire.
I suspect they will. 😃
If the FO continues to act as it does, then some sort of rebellion will win. All oppressive regimes eventually end. Oppression works in the short term but it will eventually lose.
I agree, but it’s an odd way to end the second part of a trilogy. It closely mirrors the end of the PT, where the bad guys win, and the good guys are decimated, and retreat in hopes to fight again one day, which may be decades away.
Isn’t that kind of how ESB ends? I mean, sure, the Resistance in TLJ is in far worse shape than the Rebellion ever was, but as Dom said, they still have the spark that could light the fire — the legend of Luke.
So is IX going to be ANH x2? Because Galaxy-wise, the ending of TLJ was pretty similar to the end of RotS with the promise of a new hope, which could also be phrased “the spark that will light the fire”. There will likely be a time gap between TLJ and IX. So we’re going to have the galactical situation of ANH x2. Is that right?
I think you’re making the mistake of assuming things that ought not be assumed.
I shall not assume them anymore.
I just feel like people are speculating about what IX can and can’t do based solely on what previous films it could hypothetically emulate.
“TLJ ended things like ROTS, so the next one must be like ANH.”
“TLJ was basically an ROTJ-esque conclusion, so there’s no way to go”
The truth is TLJ ended things on it’s own terms. Just because Snoke and the OT trio are dead doesn’t mean there’s nothing left to tell. Just because Kylo Ren is in charge doesn’t mean his story is over - just because Rey can use the force doesn’t mean her’s is over either.
Thing is, it isn’t exactly like ROTS or ESB or ROTJ. But all that means is that IX can go any direction. People are thinking too small about the possibilities (“all that’s left is for Kylo to die”). There’s so much more (that we haven’t even thought of).
Literally the whole point of Luke showing up and making a scene is inspiring hope across the galaxy.
“The Rebellion is reborn today.”
The Resistance won’t be able to fit on the Falcon for long. This is made pretty clear in the film.
Yeah, but that all depends how the FO will rule the galaxy. It’s not two major organisations backed by various systems like in the OT. In ANH many systems were rebellung against the Empire, because it was oppressing the galaxy. Now it’s hundreds of thousands of troops versus fifty people. If the FO are smart, there won’t be a Resistance ever.
Luke didn’t just inspire little kids with brooms. He inspired everyone who sympathizes with the Resistance’s plight, including, as is implied, their allies in the Outer Rim.
Sympathy that will only last if the FO are an oppressive force. The Resistance have no allies. Their socalled allies in the outer rim didn’t answer.
If the FO set up a benevolent form of government, the Resistance will never rise again, and quickly fade into obscurity. That is as decisive a victory as victories can be. It’s completely up to the FO to drop the ball.
Not technically wrong about how the FO can win, but that’s probably not how it’s going to go lol.
They’re probably going to continue being an evil empire.
I suspect they will. 😃
If the FO continues to act as it does, then some sort of rebellion will win. All oppressive regimes eventually end. Oppression works in the short term but it will eventually lose.
I agree, but it’s an odd way to end the second part of a trilogy. It closely mirrors the end of the PT, where the bad guys win, and the good guys are decimated, and retreat in hopes to fight again one day, which may be decades away.
Isn’t that kind of how ESB ends? I mean, sure, the Resistance in TLJ is in far worse shape than the Rebellion ever was, but as Dom said, they still have the spark that could light the fire — the legend of Luke.
So is IX going to be ANH x2? Because Galaxy-wise, the ending of TLJ was pretty similar to the end of RotS with the promise of a new hope, which could also be phrased “the spark that will light the fire”. There will likely be a time gap between TLJ and IX. So we’re going to have the galactical situation of ANH x2. Is that right?
I think you’re making the mistake of assuming things that ought not be assumed.
Literally the whole point of Luke showing up and making a scene is inspiring hope across the galaxy.
“The Rebellion is reborn today.”
The Resistance won’t be able to fit on the Falcon for long. This is made pretty clear in the film.
Yeah, but that all depends how the FO will rule the galaxy. It’s not two major organisations backed by various systems like in the OT. In ANH many systems were rebellung against the Empire, because it was oppressing the galaxy. Now it’s hundreds of thousands of troops versus fifty people. If the FO are smart, there won’t be a Resistance ever.
Luke didn’t just inspire little kids with brooms. He inspired everyone who sympathizes with the Resistance’s plight, including, as is implied, their allies in the Outer Rim.
Sympathy that will only last if the FO are an oppressive force. The Resistance have no allies. Their socalled allies in the outer rim didn’t answer.
If the FO set up a benevolent form of government, the Resistance will never rise again, and quickly fade into obscurity. That is as decisive a victory as victories can be. It’s completely up to the FO to drop the ball.
First of all, the FO does not control the galaxy yet. They are in the process of picking up the pieces during the course of TLJ, that is why the quest for Luke is so dire (Rey states this outright in the film). Their ruling style is irrelevant. They are a fascist regime that favors the wealthy and corrupt. The only way the gain power is by leveling whole communities. The goal is to stop them before they can take full control.
And the allies didn’t answer because “the spark has gone out.” Luke reignited the spark. That’s literally the whole point of the climax.
According to the info from the film, the FO will take full control in weeks. That seems a very short time frame for our miniscule group of rebels.
But don’t you understand that it’s not just the “minuscule” group anymore by the end because of Luke?
I don’t even think you have to assume Luke changed all that much within the 30+ years, tbh.
The Luke I know coming out of ROTJ would absolutely hold himself accountable for failing himself and his ideals in the way he did that night. He wouldn’t just brush off messing up like that with Ben and continue pretending to be so self-righteous.
I can understand his reaction to keep himself away from the galaxy because of his arc in 4-6 teaching him that action doesn’t always mean heroism. In his mind, his presence and the spread of the teachings that turned Vader and Kylo, endangered the galaxy and only doomed it to more of the same darkness. A cycle that would only continue repeating itself.
You see this kind of thinking with “I shouldn’t have come I’m jeopardizing the mission” when he senses Vader is on Endor with them. And you see an extension of it when he assures Leia that she is the next hope if he doesn’t make it back from the Death Star II. If he feels he can only make something worse, he feels it best to stay away, and he knows that even when he’s gone, there is still light in the galaxy - heroes that will fight for good.
“To say that because the Jedi die the light dies, is vanity.”
I’m not saying he was right to stay away. The whole idea is that he’s wrong, and that he can still be a hero. But it fits with the character for me. I don’t think he changed drastically in those 30 years.
A huge thing just put him in a drastically different place.
I’m still on the fence with TLJ and I’m probably due another viewing, however…
I think my problem with nu-Luke is this - TFA presented a Luke in exile. That’s fine and doesn’t negate the OT in any way. It even hearkens back to the alleged ‘Kurtz version’ of ROTJ, which I really like the sound of. Luke in exile would be (and I think this was JJ’s intention) looking for knowledge, a new way to counter the new threat.
However TLJ presents a Luke who has just plain quit. Given up. This just doesn’t seem to be his style. It seems to detract from the OT rather than just adding to it.
Luke does go to find a solution. Thing is, that solution is that the Jedi must end.
Literally the whole point of Luke showing up and making a scene is inspiring hope across the galaxy.
“The Rebellion is reborn today.”
The Resistance won’t be able to fit on the Falcon for long. This is made pretty clear in the film.
Yeah, but that all depends how the FO will rule the galaxy. It’s not two major organisations backed by various systems like in the OT. In ANH many systems were rebellung against the Empire, because it was oppressing the galaxy. Now it’s hundreds of thousands of troops versus fifty people. If the FO are smart, there won’t be a Resistance ever.
Luke didn’t just inspire little kids with brooms. He inspired everyone who sympathizes with the Resistance’s plight, including, as is implied, their allies in the Outer Rim.
Sympathy that will only last if the FO are an oppressive force. The Resistance have no allies. Their socalled allies in the outer rim didn’t answer.
If the FO set up a benevolent form of government, the Resistance will never rise again, and quickly fade into obscurity. That is as decisive a victory as victories can be. It’s completely up to the FO to drop the ball.
First of all, the FO does not control the galaxy yet. They are in the process of picking up the pieces during the course of TLJ, that is why the quest for Luke is so dire (Rey states this outright in the film). Their ruling style is irrelevant. They are a fascist regime that favors the wealthy and corrupt. The only way the gain power is by leveling whole communities. The goal is to stop them before they can take full control.
And the allies didn’t answer because “the spark has gone out.” Luke reignited the spark. That’s literally the whole point of the climax.
Literally the whole point of Luke showing up and making a scene is inspiring hope across the galaxy.
“The Rebellion is reborn today.”
The Resistance won’t be able to fit on the Falcon for long. This is made pretty clear in the film.
Yeah, but that all depends how the FO will rule the galaxy. It’s not two major organisations backed by various systems like in the OT. In ANH many systems were rebellung against the Empire, because it was oppressing the galaxy. Now it’s hundreds of thousands of troops versus fifty people. If the FO are smart, there won’t be a Resistance ever.
Luke didn’t just inspire little kids with brooms. He inspired everyone who sympathizes with the Resistance’s plight, including, as is implied, their allies in the Outer Rim.
Literally the whole point of Luke showing up and making a scene is inspiring hope across the galaxy.
“The Rebellion is reborn today.”
The Resistance won’t be able to fit on the Falcon for long. This is made pretty clear in the film.
