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#1305477
Topic
The Sequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread (Radical Ideas Welcome).
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Your_friendly_Imperial said:

DominicCobb said:

Not even Looper?

And now he attacks the fandom for not liking his movie.

Plainly not true.

ChainsawAsh said:

If you don’t think 1/3 of the sequel trilogy can be improved in any way, why are you in a thread dedicated to thinking up ideas to improve it in future fan edits?

The same could be said about people who think AOTC is the absolute worst and still edit the Prequels.
In my opinion, TFA was only half-bad, Palpatine’s return and Lucas involvement in Rise of the Skywalker intrigues me.

People who think AOTC is the worst but edit it anyway don’t find it “irredeemable.” There’s a difference.

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#1305472
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Ranking the Star Wars films
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TavorX said:

DominicCobb said:

I don’t know how anyone could rank the Mandalorian after only one episode.

Same, like I get a lot are excited (and dissatisfied), but it’s just one episode. Not only are there more episodes coming out, but some of those episodes will be directed by different directors which I’m sure will greatly impact how it unfolds; good or bad, to be determined.

Not just that it’s the first episode of many more, but it is also merely the first ‘chapter’ of an 8 chapter story. We don’t know yet how it will unfold, and one’s opinion on the quality could change greatly once they see the full picture.

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#1305450
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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Broom Kid said:

DominicCobb said:

Has anyone checked against the stills pulled from the Reliance reel that started this thread so many years ago? I know the obvious assumption is that it’s their work, but it might be worth confirming.

I believe Pablo confirmed this on twitter? There was only one 4K restoration being done when Lucas still owned Lucasfilm and it was by Reliance. The fact he was able to pinpoint it as “The 4K one” solely by hearing about MacLunkey basically eliminates any other option.

Yeah, I know, it all lines up. I just mean, if we’re doing still comparisons, might as well do the final confirmation.

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#1305444
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YouTube/Vimeo/etc. finds for Original Trilogy <strong>documentaries, making-ofs, promos</strong>, etc.
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Anyone familiar with the ‘Faces’ VHS set will remember Leonard Maltin’s interviews with George Lucas. Well, the Star Wars YT channel has collected them along with a number of other Lucas interviews in a playlist here (including some that I assume are from the 93 laserdisc boxset):

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL148kCvXk8pAOQYVpHJSwm7yCONUVE_JY

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#1305432
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YouTube/Vimeo/etc. finds for Original Trilogy <strong>documentaries, making-ofs, promos</strong>, etc.
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ZkinandBonez said:

DominicCobb said:

ZkinandBonez said:

How Star Wars was saved in the edit:
https://youtu.be/zEHRNS-Scrs - from the RocketJump Film School YouTube channel (2017 video essay - 18 minutes).

“A video essay exploring how Star Wars’ editors recut and rearranged Star Wars: A New Hope to create the cinematic classic it became”

Written by David Welch.
Narrated and edited by Joey Scoma.

Not to nitpick, but I’d think video essays might be a different category from documentaries? Your thread of course.

The thread title also includes “making ofs” and “promos”, and there’s been interviews added as well. Plus, I only wrote “video essay” because that’s what they called it. It’s basically a short documentary, and a really interesting one at that, so I felt it was worth sharing here.

As I said I will of course defer to you. I haven’t seen the video in question but I tend to think of a ‘video essay’ as an analysis of a work, rather than a behind the scenes documentary. But maybe I should watch the video before I critique.

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#1305423
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<em>The Mandalorian</em> - <em><strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong></em>
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m_s0 said:

Well, since I seem to disagree with you even on what’s being discussed here perhaps best to leave it at that 😃

Sounds like a deal.

I will say to your point, regardless I think Fraser is a great DP and even if Filoni’s direction wasn’t mind blowing, I definitely wouldn’t call it 'cheap.’

Of course it’ll still be interesting to see not just his next episode but the episodes from the other directors as well.

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#1305416
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<em>The Mandalorian</em> - <em><strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong></em>
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m_s0 said:

You’re talking specifics about the approach of the cinematography and directing. That’s well and good and all, but in the larger discussion of people talking about whether or not it looks ‘cheap’ in comparison to the films, I think the budgetary information is a necessary disclaimer (whether it’s pertinent to your particular argument or not).

Yeah, I still don’t agree with this argument. I’ve seen garbage craft in horrendously expensive films, just as I’ve seen breathtaking cinematography in films made on the cheap - way cheaper than The Mandalorian’s budget per episode. And I do think the approach (division of work, if you will) does matter.

To be sure, there are some great looking shows (whether your talking about the mere production values or quality of the execution). But again, something like Mr. Robot would be apples and oranges to a show set in the Star Wars universe when it comes to my point, the budgetary limitations.

Yeah, if they made this show on a sitcom budget the CGI wouldn’t be there, but I’d still argue that it doesn’t matter in the context of knowing where to put the camera, or how to frame a shot to tell your story.

When you break it all down, it’s really just shooting drama we’re talking about. I’m a romantic this way, I guess 😃

Not that The Mandalorian is the worst thing ever or anything, mind you. Agree to disagree, either way.

You continue to argue your own argument separate from what I’m saying. There’s a lot of factors that go into how a film or TV show ‘looks.’ Cinematography is but one of those elements.

Obviously the approach is tied in with the budget. There are ways to manage on a shoestring budget. But the approach here is trying to follow the films, and that has an expensive appetite. We’re talking about an episode that visits multiple planets featuring exotic locales with sweeping landscape shots, dozens of sets, hundreds of extras and costumes, ship and speeder effects, CGI and puppeted creatures, and a prominent performance by a CG character.

I don’t know how many times I have to say that we’re talking about two different things. I am not merely discussing the directing/cinematography, I’m talking about the whole picture.

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#1305411
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The Sequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread (Radical Ideas Welcome).
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To me, given the choice between a Luke who destroys walkers with the force and a Luke who faces them down without any killing, there’s no question which is the one more true to his character.

ChainsawAsh said:

Your_friendly_Imperial said:

Luke should have fought against Kylo Ren in person and his confrontation with the walkers should end like Dark Empire(size matters not…). He never, never should have abandoned the jedi order, that’s not Luke.

I often wonder if, had the PT come first and the OT came out decades later and the scripts were all more or less the same, people would say this exact thing about Obi-Wan and Yoda in the OT.

“They never would have given up and gone into hiding! That’s not Obi-Wan/Yoda!”

I can just imagine the reactions at the end of ROTS. Oh they’re just hiding for now. They’ll be back soon. And then when they see the OT. What have they been doing for the last 20 years? Nothing at all?

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#1305406
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<em>The Mandalorian</em> - <em><strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong></em>
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m_s0 said:

Could be, but to be sure I’d need you to elaborate.

You’re talking specifics about the approach of the cinematography and directing. That’s well and good and all, but in the larger discussion of people talking about whether or not it looks ‘cheap’ in comparison to the films, I think the budgetary information is a necessary disclaimer (whether it’s pertinent to your particular argument or not).

Then again, when I look at how, say, Mr. Robot was shot, I’m not sure whether there’s any point in putting up an arbitrary wall between film and TV at this point in terms of the craft that’s possible to achieve in either medium. If you can pull it off on a TV show schedule (seems to me like the big challenge), there really is nothing else standing in the way. I suppose this leads us to the discussion on the nature and pitfalls of TV storytelling vs feature film storytelling.

To be sure, there are some great looking shows (whether your talking about the mere production values or quality of the execution). But again, something like Mr. Robot would be apples and oranges to a show set in the Star Wars universe when it comes to my point, the budgetary limitations.

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#1305398
Topic
<em>The Mandalorian</em> - <em><strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong></em>
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m_s0 said:

DominicCobb said:

One has to remember that the episode cost $15 million. A lot for a show, but nothing compared to the budgets we’re used to on the live action films (which are all well over $200 million). I thought it looked very good, considering.

I’m not buying this argument. Budget has little to nothing to do with the quality of the craft - maybe it would’ve been a factor for budgets not allowing to shoot on anything better than your pocket phone, but these days even that isn’t much of an obstacle, and The Mandalorian is one of the more expensive shows out there as you pointed out… So while they did have enough pocket change for decent equipment, this still isn’t about image fidelity, or productions values (which are alright here, even if the filmmaking doesn’t do them much credit): it’s about the skill of visual storytelling. Or, which is the theory I like for this case, the experience (lack thereof) in live action visual storytelling in the case a first-timer.

We’ll see how he fared with his second directing gig down the line. I’m almost more interested in this comparison than in the show itself…

We’re talking about two different things here. My post wasn’t in response to yours. Just a general statement.

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#1305395
Topic
The Sequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread (Radical Ideas Welcome).
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Your_friendly_Imperial said:

4throck said:

sade1212 said:
My point is that I moved Luke’s death to the end,

Ending a movie on a death scene doesn’t work. You need to see what was achieved by the sacrifice. That’s why you have celebrations on ROTJ and TPM…

I disagree, i think the funerals of Vader and Qui-Gon Jin would have been far stronger endings. The Ewok party and that strange carnival in TPM were never needed. And Luke is the archetypal hero who saved the galaxy, it’s distasteful to cheapen his death with moments of levity.

Star Wars is an inherently optimistic/upbeat/happy series (however you want to describe it). I’m not a big fan of the celebration in TPM but it is a far more fitting ending for that film as a whole than a dour funeral. For ROTJ, I really like the idea of ending with the funeral, only because it gives a bittersweet final moment for an otherwise happy ending that should tonally set up that what’s to come. With TLJ, I think you’re looking at the film wrong - his death is played as a triumphant moment, because it’s not really a death, it’s him becoming one with the Force. The moments of levity that follow not only don’t cheapen Luke’s sacrifice, they actually strengthen it. He hasn’t died in vain, the Resistance will survive and his heroic actions will spread hope and inspiration throughout the galaxy. I think being ‘respectful’ to fictional characters is a stupid concept, but TLJ actually ends with a moment of immense reverence for Luke’s character.

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#1305231
Topic
YouTube/Vimeo/etc. finds for Original Trilogy <strong>documentaries, making-ofs, promos</strong>, etc.
Time

ZkinandBonez said:

How Star Wars was saved in the edit:
https://youtu.be/zEHRNS-Scrs - from the RocketJump Film School YouTube channel (2017 video essay - 18 minutes).

“A video essay exploring how Star Wars’ editors recut and rearranged Star Wars: A New Hope to create the cinematic classic it became”

Written by David Welch.
Narrated and edited by Joey Scoma.

Not to nitpick, but I’d think video essays might be a different category from documentaries? Your thread of course.

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#1305196
Topic
YouTube/Vimeo/etc. finds for Original Trilogy <strong>documentaries, making-ofs, promos</strong>, etc.
Time

Couple recent ones:

’Evolution of the Lightsaber Duel’ (2015, 23min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vGjNnZhJFI

“Hosted by Mark Hamill. The documentary covers the inspirations and influences that the legendary lightsaber in the Star Wars universe and the duels that the device is used in. In the documentary Hamill describes his time in Japan and his brief exposure to Japanese history and culture and how it influenced the Star Wars franchise.”

’The Force of Sound’ (2018, 26min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM0-8v4Ppb4

“Writer-Director Rian Johnson and the Oscar-nominated sound team of “Star Wars: The Last Jedi” reveal the secrets used to give life to droids and creatures.”

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#1305127
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[Official] All Star Wars films released in 4K HDR on Disney Plus: 4KSE with more changes
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ChainsawAsh said:

From memory, mono mix has:

  • Different alarm klaxons on Tantive IV
  • Different dubbing for Aunt Beru (either a different actor or different takes)
  • Cantina music can be heard through the door before Luke and Ben enter
  • Searching troopers say “This one’s secure” instead of “Door’s locked” when Artoo and Threepio are hiding
  • Different sound effects when the Falcon is in Alderaan’s asteroid field
  • Different sound effects for the DS tractor beam
  • Threepio’s tractor beam line added
  • “Close the blast doors” added
  • Different echo effects in the chasm scene
  • Different radio effects for X-Wing pilots
  • “Blast it, Wedge, where are you” instead of “Biggs” during the Battle of Yavin

I know I’m missing a bunch, though.

Thanks for the info Ash.

I hate to be the kind of person who requests someone else do work, but I feel like there really should be a comprehensive list of all the audio changes somewhere here (if we’re not going to do it, who will?). I’d take it upon myself but I barely know most of the different versions (let alone the changes) and don’t have most of them on hand. Perhaps it could be a collaborative project but it’s definitely something the community here should consider (I’d also argue the site should consider making a separate tab that just lists all the different versions of the film and all the different changes, pulling from 005 and other people’s work). This site is the primary advocate and resource for the OOT, but most of the info about it is hidden in the knowledge of those who post on the forums. I know we’ve given up on the petition here, but I feel the least we can do is be an educational source.

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#1305121
Topic
[Official] All Star Wars films released in 4K HDR on Disney Plus: 4KSE with more changes
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I think calling all post-97 releases “Special Edition” is completely fair and logical, since they inherent that version’s “Special Edition” changes. Obviously they haven’t been called that officially, but that’s only because they’ve been referred to as something far worse and much more inaccurate - just the films.

We must remember that technically the SE were given their own release and their own name, and everything since has been a variation on those special edition releases, not the original releases. So calling them the SE isn’t terribly inaccurate (at least it is no more inaccurate than calling them nothing at all).

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#1305105
Topic
4K restoration on Star Wars
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Fang Zei said:

DominicCobb said:

It’s all guesswork, but TPM got a new scan for the BD, so it’d be odd if they did another new scan a year later for it.

There’s nothing to scan. The movie was essentially “rebuilt” directly from the digital filmout tapes in 2011 (they were still readable after more than a decade) in preparation for the blu-ray and the 3D version. That rebuilt master is what they’ll be going back to from now on to make any new transfers of the film.

Ignore my statement and replace “scan” with “master.”

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#1305103
Topic
STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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RoccondilRinon said:

There are two very different kinds of explosion effect in the OT. Where they’ve blown up a miniature it’s great. Where they’ve merely match cut to a firework going off it’s hardly more “realistic” than a CG one. The latter can still work fine (they used it for the Death Stars after all) but in some cases the mismatch between the miniature and the firework is jarring.

Yeah exactly, which is what I mean when I say in some ways they aren’t better, though in other ways they are, like the fact that they’re actual photographed explosions.

Even still you can’t quite delineate between a miniature exploding and a match cut to an explosion. The DSII for instance is the latter but it’s one of the best in the series because they lit up the miniature for the shot before it cuts to the explosion, so you have a relatively seamless combination of the two elements.

Speaking of, to put us back on topic, has ady said if he’ll be keeping the praxis wave for the explosion? It’s the one added praxis ring that I think actually adds a little something to the effect and energy of the shot (with the Falcon outrunning it being one last thrill). One of the only SE additions I miss a little when I watch the OOT.