DominicCobb

Just gonna put this out there. Worth keeping in mind when thinking about how to change this monologue up

(off camera) “He’s been planning his revenge.”
(on camera) “His followers have been building something for years”
(off camera) “the largest fleet the galaxy has ever known.”
(on camera) “He calls it the Final Order.”
(off camera) “In sixteen hours, attacks on all free worlds begin. The Emperor and his fleet are hiding in the”
(on camera) “unknown regions, on a world called Exegol”

Hmm, tricky. Working pretty well, but I feel like steady sounds more like Poe, but the delivery is worse. Maybe the issue is it being such a long line, perhaps we’d get better results from little snippets.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I had to split it into three separate generations in order to get the best results. Here they are all stringed together as one audio file:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nPFZZrQmNqilvd4eZaXPgBeTZio6S1yg/view?usp=sharing

Here they are separately:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_fKairHRPcZt1iQP6d-pbJwGgJ6_yVpT/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1I-JnBkklqZhGe3S4xwVuMVO2mgGUG90R/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_u1cgPYBP4KeMqm8_HbUEODhSsFUFV8e/view?usp=sharing

Niiiiice that sounds pretty good. I do wonder a bit how it’ll sound going from his almost whisper “such anger” to this reading of “my mother.” But the rest of it seems like it should match.

For some reason, doing this reminded me of the fact that we can now finally replace “Obi-Wan once thought as you do” with “Your mother once thought as you do”. I guess that’s better for another thread, though.

I had been thinking that very thing! Would be great to have (when was that idea first suggested, like a decade ago??)

Jar Jar Bricks said:

DominicCobb said:

Also I discovered Oscar Isaac reads a few chapters in this audiobook: https://variety.com/2022/music/news/bob-dylan-audiobook-actor-readers-chapters-alfre-woodard-oscar-isaac-philosophy-modern-song-1235392871/

I wonder why I never noticed that audiobook. I could give it a shot, I just need to make another audible account with another email to get a free ebook lmao. No way am I paying 12 bucks for that.

Yeah not worth the price especially because who even knows what it sounds like. Let us know if it works out.

I’m getting really intrigued by this Eleven Labs stuff may need to pick your brain in a PM to see how it works.

Also I discovered Oscar Isaac reads a few chapters in this audiobook: https://variety.com/2022/music/news/bob-dylan-audiobook-actor-readers-chapters-alfre-woodard-oscar-isaac-philosophy-modern-song-1235392871/

Well, Hal only cut “and turn you to the dark side,” but to make the new line fit (in terms of both timing and flow of conversation) you’d want to cut more.

This is how it goes in the movie:

Do you still count the days since your parents left? Such pain in you, such anger. I don’t want to have to kill you. I’m going to find you, and I’m going to turn you to the dark side. When I offer you my hand again, you’ll take it.

This is what I’m suggesting:

Do you still count the days since your parents left? Such pain in you, such anger. My mother doesn’t see the darkness in you. Your friends don’t either. But I do. When I offer you my hand again, you’ll take it.

The syllables in the new line are actually less, so hypothetically it should fit, although I don’t mind cutting the bit about her friends. Wouldn’t mind changing see to sense in that case, although I don’t like “your darkness” as much as “the darkness in you.”

I have a lot of Kylo AI line suggestions, but I’ll take it one at a time so as to not overwhelm. Since this one could benefit Hal, that’s where I’ll start.

From the cutlist:

After Kylo Ren says “I will find you,” cut him saying “…and turn you to the dark side.” It’s implied that he will try to do that once he finds her, but why say it aloud? He should be trying to seduce her to the dark side and masking his intentions.

Here’s an idea for a replacement Kylo line:
“My mother doesn’t see the darkness in you. Your friends don’t either. But I do.”

This is taken directly from the novelization by the way, decent chance it was in the film at some point.

With AI in the mix maybe it’s time to go back to some early blue sky ideas. Obvious one would be “Rey killed her parents,” but I’m also thinking about something that was briefly discussed way back when, basically, “what if Kylo doesn’t want Rey to go to Exegol?”

Would be great to get a Hal style google drive going, separated by characters and then even folders for specific lines that contain various readings.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I’ve encountered some good news this morning. The voice cloning tool recently introduced “labels” on your clones, allowing you to specify how you want the AI to produce the voice. I added in a slower pace and more gravelly voice variables, and this was the result (based on Burbin’s line suggestion):
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Zo03jHaSIST71EEYlxogDI-TJNPWoEUj/view?usp=sharing
https://streamable.com/6xbykh

This one sounds really good!

Dom, here is the line I was referring to:
https://youtu.be/-LzqBD8--H4

Nice I like that.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

As for the Leia lines, which ones are you interested in, Hal? Probably not the lightsaber one from the sounds of things, but “he’s too dangerous” and “I sense a great deal of uncertainty in you, Rey” are lines I haven’t heard any negative feedback about.

I don’t remember seeing that second line, what’s the placement of that?

And did anyone ever come up with another Leia line before the briefing (before or after “always in the shadows from the very beginning”).

It definitely sounds like Mark but I get Hal’s reticence - his old Luke voice is a bit unique, much deeper. Almost wonder if some of these lines could be pitch shifted.

As for Luke saying Leia saw Rey’s dark vision(s), might not be the best for a Rey Palpatine edit, but would be helpful for Rey Nobody.

Yeah it’s not the volume it’s the manner of speaking, couldn’t think of another way to describe it. That one actually sounds like it could plausibly work, I wonder what it’d look like in context.

Personally with these lines I’d veer to the side of less is more, if we can’t get them to sound just right it’s probably better to forgo so as to not be distracting. But definitely worth trying out every possibility!

How much control do you have over the tool? It still sounds too loud if you know what I mean, which makes sense if her voice is being culled from an audiobook but doesn’t fit her softer tone in the scene.

Better, but still feels too chipper compared to the emotional dialogue surrounding it.

Been away for a bit but PMs finally sent. Let me know if I missed you.

CamSMurph said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Here are two line options that would allow us to reinstate the full version of Rey’s conversation with Leia about finding Palpatine without the conversation seeming too awkward:
Option 1 (my preference) - https://youtu.be/WMr5IPxpQmE
Option 2 - https://youtu.be/WdsVTJOhSiQ

I stress, ElevenAI is amazing. I believe DominicCobb was looking for this solution for his own TROS edit. I think he’ll be very impressed. 😉

I am!

Been away from here for awhile but with so much AI going around I knew some interesting things might be happening. Now I need to go back through all my notes and see what lines I’ve been dying to have. And something like this is at the top of the pile!

I think shorter is probably better. Just “it’s too dangerous” or “he’s too dangerous” so that Rey’s line doesn’t come in too fast. You could try to extend the shot of Rey before she speaks but there’s not a lot to play with.

I like adding a line when Leia gives Rey the saber back but the tone of the delivery in the mockups there just don’t match for me. I also think for the Rey Nobody version it would be wise to change Leia’s “Don’t be afraid of who you are line.” Doesn’t not work with Rey Nobody but clearly more meant to set up the Palpatine reveal. Will have to think about what could be there instead. And then I agree it’d be great to have a Leia line either before or after “always in the shadows…” What that is, I’m not sure.

I’m most excited about the helmet Kylo lines. Gonna have a good think about that. One thing I’ll say is if there’s issues matching the AI voice with a surrounding line from the movie, you could try to run the movie line through the AI and swap it out.

Also, maybe some potential for new Rose lines? She read a whole Star Wars audiobook (Cobalt Squadron) so could use that for the AI.

And is there a good Finn AI? There’s a couple lines I’ve wanted for a long time.

NFB, I’m really impressed with your creativity, and a lot of this works really well.

Having Ben leave Tatooine is a really bold idea. But having him loop back into helping Leia is tricky for sure. One of those things that could have worked if it was written that way, but proves an issue through fan editing. I’m still not sure the leap from Ben on his own to helping Leia is quite working.

Here’s an idea I had though. Since you have Ben on Tatooine as a little prologue by itself, and you’re already jumping perspective after the title card, what if you took it further? What if after the title card, you let the Leia storyline play out up until her capture. Then we cut to Kenobi on the ring world, and he senses her kidnapping? That way it doesn’t feel as if Ben has his vision straight after leaving, like in your last version, and he doesn’t have the coincidence of being on Daiyu already like in the new version. And we don’t have the somewhat random cutting back and forth between storylines of the original show.

Speaking of shifting perspectives, I’m not sure the Vader stuff is working for me yet. I really like how you cut that first scene with him, but it feels like a non sequitur with the surrounding scenes, especially because there’s no dialogue in it. I wonder if you could include the Reva hologram and try to incorporate it into that part of the story? With Vader masked and Reva’s back to the camera in a few shots, there’s some room to play with dialogue replacement to make the scene fit. The later scene of Vader is a fun reuse of that scene, although I wonder if it raises the question of why isn’t he on Daiyu?

Also, love the way you’ve descored things, gives a very different feel. Your use of new music works well too (love bringing back the Fallen Order Inquistor theme), although I’d be careful about using music with themes that don’t match what’s on screen, for example, the scene of Ben digging up the sabers and Luke sleeping, while the music fits, I just know straight away that that’s the Guardians of the Whills theme.

Broom Kid said:

I appreciate that, but my concern is mainly that I won’t 100% sell it and it’ll feel too “fanedity”

I get that, and again - that’s a thing 99% of all fan-editors DON’T do, so that your concern is there is why your edits work as well as they do, and I wish more (WAY more) folks were willing to apply that level of discernment. But as someone who looks at these things with that eye (and ear) I think you HAVE cleared that bar in this instance.

Having done the process of completely redoing SFX a few times, I don’t blame Spence for ditching this idea at all.

Octorox said:

krausfadr said:
One thing I never needed was a CW version of Star Wars where baby Leia remarks to a bizarre acting Santa Claus Bail Organa that she’s not a real Organa. I wish I could unsee that.

Right, because god forbid Bail Organa show any fatherly affection or Leia struggle at all with being an adoptee. That might be too relatable for kids.

Look, everyone has different opinions but I thought young Leia was one of the best parts of this series. I’m totally willing to put aside my pre-existing knowledge and watch an edit as it’s own thing, but if it feels like some of the cuts rob the of warmth or character that’s needed for the story to hang together as well as it can, I’m gonna point it out. Spence’s goal with this edit was to trim the series (which was conceived as a movie originally) into something that feels brisk and watchable at under 2h30m. Nowhere did he say anything about cutting Leia scenes because they were “cringe”, which is what you’re implying.

I find that fan edits play like highlight reels and just cut out all the stuff the editor didn’t like regardless of narrative cohesion to be mostly boring and soulless. Sure, it makes sense to cut around things that break the audience’s suspension of disbelief or hurt the story being told, but it requires a careful hand that I find not all fan editors have. I respect Spence a lot as an editor and I give him feedback because I know he’s not one of those people.

Well said.

I don’t think there’s anything in Spence’s version that looks ridiculous. Wanting to cut it completely for time is one thing but it’s definitely possible to trim out the silly bits, which Spence did.

Really only skimmed through so couldn’t say. They did do some rescoring that I saw so maybe worth checking for that (although I wasn’t crazy about the choices I noticed personally).

It went viral on tiktok I think. I skimmed through his edit I don’t think it’s anyone here?

PMs sent out. Let me know what you guys think!

Hal 9000 said:

To anyone who removes Bail showing up in person on Tatooine, instead going right from their holo-call to Kenobi digging up the sabers, I have a question: How do you suppose he knew which planet to go to?

I’m not doing it but you could probably drop the audio of Bail saying they’re heading to Daiyu in the holo call with a little sound effect on it to match.

Watched the first version last night and it looks pretty good, works very well overall.

Seems my narrative hangups have all been called out already and being worked on. The one thing I will mention is just to double check the levels on the added music, some sounded a little loud (but not by a lot). I also think you need a bit more SFX in the rescored scene with Vader on the Star Destroyer and he walks down the bridge and says “Increase fire power” (specifically some ambiance, and footsteps). Let me know if you need help sourcing some sounds for that I might be able to help.