DominicCobb

TV’s Frink said:

Memento is great.

Interstellar is overrated though.

Interstellar is actually underrated.

ray_afraid said:

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

I don’t think there’s any question that the Death Star has hyperspace capabilities.

It was not something shown or stated in ANH. I don’t think it was meant to be an issue either way. That was something truly not important to the movie.

Anyway, I’ve explained what I think are some pretty obvious differences in the two situations.

I don’t think you have.

Disagreement is one thing but don’t deny obvious differences I’ve stated above.

To recap, assuming DS does hyperspace:
(1) ANH-only 30 minutes; TLJ-unknown amount of time, at least many hours
(2) ANH-DS jumps must take enormous energy; not as big a deal for normal ships

I’m not going to get in a big debate about this but suffice to say it’s just silly inconsequential nitpicks either way.

Yeah, I agree. It’s a sort-of-kind-of interesting discussion though.
But the movie seems as interested in the science behind it as I am- Not at all.
Just decide what works for you, and that works! Fun!

Exactly.

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

I don’t think there’s any question that the Death Star has hyperspace capabilities.

It was not something shown or stated in ANH. I don’t think it was meant to be an issue either way. That was something truly not important to the movie.

Anyway, I’ve explained what I think are some pretty obvious differences in the two situations.

I don’t think you have.

Disagreement is one thing but don’t deny obvious differences I’ve stated above.

To recap, assuming DS does hyperspace:
(1) ANH-only 30 minutes; TLJ-unknown amount of time, at least many hours
(2) ANH-DS jumps must take enormous energy; not as big a deal for normal ships

I’m not going to get in a big debate about this but suffice to say it’s just silly inconsequential nitpicks either way.

Sir Ridley said:

DominicCobb said:

Sir Ridley said:

I think the wiggle scales down so adding it to a comp is a good idea. I also did a logo zoom the other day (I originally used the TFA logo) and I noticed how the speed is hard to get right since it’s not linear, I ended up having to do a lot of keyframes. Perhaps it would be a good idea to make the logo recede in 3D instead of just scaling it down since I assume that was originally done with a camera move as well. It was also tricky to make the logo look right as it scales down, it’s supposed to blur in a certain way, similar to the crawl.

At the moment I don’t actually remember if I scaled or did it in 3D, but honestly I’m not sure if it’d make that big a difference (probably more so for the lens effects I suppose). That does make me wonder what technique they used for the logo back in the day. Anyway, the trick, with the timing, is to use the ease functions and then mess with the curve on the graph until it’s just right (or in my case, close enough).

I’m pretty sure they must have filmed the logo in a similar way to the crawl, by just moving the camera away from it. That would also explain the timing of the motion, since it would appear to move faster when the camera is close and then slower as it gets further away. I’ll have to take a look at the graph, I haven’t learned how to use that properly, haha.

I’ll post a clip of what I have when I get the chance, the graph is really helpful.

ray_afraid said:

DominicCobb said:

ray_afraid said:

DominicCobb said:

I don’t think there’s any question that the Death Star has hyperspace capabilities.

I do. And it plays into my version of the events better if it doesn’t have the same hyperspace capabilities as the other ships we see.
I don’t think it’s important to the films either way though.

So but it does have some hyperspace capabilities then?

Honesty time- I don’t know how space travel works at all and don’t have much interest in it. I don’t know how far away the DS was from Yavin and have no interest in SW galaxy maps.
But, in my headcanon, the Rebellion had enough time to study the plans and find the flaw, plan an attack strategy, Luke had some time in an X-Wing simulator and the DS was unable to pop up on the side of Yavin to shoot the moon and instead had to slowly maneuver into place. I say there was a few days to a week between Leia & Co. arriving and the DS showing up. So it doesn’t seem to work the way other ships do.
But, again, I don’t know much about space travel and maybe traveling through hyperspace isn’t a fast as it seems in other instances.

Personally I don’t care either, but I imagine if it didn’t have hyperspace it would’ve taken a looong time, more than a week (a number I’m not sure I agree with, but again, doesn’t matter).

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

I don’t think there’s any question that the Death Star has hyperspace capabilities.

It was not something shown or stated in ANH. I don’t think it was meant to be an issue either way. That was something truly not important to the movie.

Anyway, I’ve explained what I think are some pretty obvious differences in the two situations.

I don’t think you have.

ray_afraid said:

DominicCobb said:

I don’t think there’s any question that the Death Star has hyperspace capabilities.

I do. And it plays into my version of the events better if it doesn’t have the same hyperspace capabilities as the other ships we see.
I don’t think it’s important to the films either way though.

So but it does have some hyperspace capabilities then?

I don’t think there’s any question that the Death Star has hyperspace capabilities.

Ronster said:

DominicCobb said:

No one here is saying Lucas is/was racist. As to the rest I won’t dignify it with a response.

The problem with this sort of analysis from people with an agenda is that if these people who claim something was not only white washed and also sexist. Why are they also not sticking up for the alien life in the film as well?

Stopped reading right there, truly doubt I missed anything.

Sir Ridley said:

DominicCobb said:

Sir Ridley said:

Shopping Maul said:

https://medium.com/@goddammitstacey/star-wars-the-last-jedi-has-a-writing-problem-a19897a9c8b9

Underneath the JGL article is this even better (IMO) article on the writing of TLJ. This one pretty well sums up why the Holdo plot was a mess…

I agree that finding DJ by coincidence was weird, that’s her best point.

Haven’t read the article, but is it? They weren’t looking for DJ, and even when DJ offered they said they were good and went their separate ways. They only go with DJ because he saved them and he’s a better option than none I guess. You could say they were lucky they actually did find someone who could get them into old man Snoke’s boudoir, but they’re equally unlucky for being in league with a guy who ultimately sells out the rest of the Resistance.

I guess the point is that it was very very unlikely to find someone with the needed skill set by chance, especially since Maz made it sound like the Master Code Breaker was the only one who could do it. The likely thing would be to end up in the same cell as some drunk little alien, yet they got a cellmate who could get them out, steal a ship and break codes. It’s a bit too convenient, but then again unlikely things can happen and it’s not exactly the first time unlikely things happen in Star Wars either.

Yeah, I don’t care too much about conveniences in SW, but in this case especially I don’t know. In general I don’t think you can really call it a convenience if it’s ultimately detrimental to the heroes.

Also, for the Maz recommendation, perhaps what she meant was “this is the only guy who can do it that I trust.”

Sir Ridley said:

I think the wiggle scales down so adding it to a comp is a good idea. I also did a logo zoom the other day (I originally used the TFA logo) and I noticed how the speed is hard to get right since it’s not linear, I ended up having to do a lot of keyframes. Perhaps it would be a good idea to make the logo recede in 3D instead of just scaling it down since I assume that was originally done with a camera move as well. It was also tricky to make the logo look right as it scales down, it’s supposed to blur in a certain way, similar to the crawl.

At the moment I don’t actually remember if I scaled or did it in 3D, but honestly I’m not sure if it’d make that big a difference (probably more so for the lens effects I suppose). That does make me wonder what technique they used for the logo back in the day. Anyway, the trick, with the timing, is to use the ease functions and then mess with the curve on the graph until it’s just right (or in my case, close enough).

Sir Ridley said:

Shopping Maul said:

https://medium.com/@goddammitstacey/star-wars-the-last-jedi-has-a-writing-problem-a19897a9c8b9

Underneath the JGL article is this even better (IMO) article on the writing of TLJ. This one pretty well sums up why the Holdo plot was a mess…

I agree that finding DJ by coincidence was weird, that’s her best point.

Haven’t read the article, but is it? They weren’t looking for DJ, and even when DJ offered they said they were good and went their separate ways. They only go with DJ because he saved them and he’s a better option than none I guess. You could say they were lucky they actually did find someone who could get them into old man Snoke’s boudoir, but they’re equally unlucky for being in league with a guy who ultimately sells out the rest of the Resistance.

I think Holdo not telling Poe the plan was reasonable based on his behavior (and when he finally learned the plan it leaked to the First Order, loose lips sink ships).

I agree. The funny thing with this is that Holdo’s lecture about Poe being the last thing they need is literally in response to him asking what the plan is, so that’s, in my mind, a pretty explicit explanation as to why she didn’t tell him.

NeverarGreat said:

That looks really nice. The only thing that looks a bit strange is when the title gets very small in the distance and it starts to look a bit fat and crushed in terms of luminance. The original Trilogy titles (at least the SE versions) pretty much retain their luminance throughout the crawl.

I could be wrong, but I think ROTJ might be literally the only that doesn’t fade as it gets further away.

Sir Ridley said:

Illustrator is probably not a bad idea once you know how to format everything. I did it inside After Effects just so I could tilt and edit the text on top of the real crawl and line everything up.

Yeah, I get that. I’m relying on the dynamic link and have to switch back and forth but ultimately I think it’s worth it.

So, specifics. My text is in a separate 4K composition where I do all the movement (excluding gate weave, getting to that later) and fading of the text. Apparently my focal length is 50mm. Don’t know how I ended up with that number, but it works. Although I have to stretch the text layer about 200%. Maybe 23mm and no stretch works just as well, but this is what I ended up with. 36mm film. Aperture 25,5.

I believe 50mm is the default. It seems to be working fine for you, with the proper adjustments. I’m a bit anal about that kind of stuff, even using 23mm is annoying me just because I know it’s not a very common focal length so maybe doubtful that they would have used that back in the day. But then that gets me wondering, did they shoot the original crawl on 65mm? So should I be factoring that in? It’s a rabbit hole, I guess you ultimately just have to go with what you like.

The angle is -79,8 (for matching the TFA crawl). Since this composition is where I edit the text I also keep a guideline layer to see how wide the paragraphs should be. And on the text layer I have a bunch of effects. A yellow Glow, to make the text a tiny bit thicker. And then a Refine Hard Matte which makes it a bit thicker again and smudges out some details when it goes blurry in the distance. And then a 0,5% Camera Lens Blur which doesn’t do much. And then a Set Matte which adds that little gradient fade in the distance of the text. A Simple Choker which makes the edges a bit less soft and more contrasty. A soft red Drop Shadow which makes the edges of the text warm and cozy. And finally a Fast Blur that just softens everything a bit. Now, all this may sound like nitpicking (and it is), but have a look at this with/without effects image and you can see it’s not completely pointless: https://i.imgur.com/SvKgO9O.jpg

Nah this is good stuff. I guess the angle isn’t really useful because you’re using a different focal length, and I do have a gradient ramp which works in to fade the distant text, but I’ll look into the other stuff for sure.

And then on to the composition where I put everything together. I scale down the text layer to 50%. And then for the gate weave I put a Transform effect on the layer (you could use the built in Transform property, but this way it’s easy to turn on or off). Alt-click the stopwatch for Position and type in the expression: wiggle(6,0.5). This gives the text a slight jittery motion. Aaaand that’s it. Sprinkle some film grain on top if you want.

Yeah I was wondering if you used the wiggle expression. I’ve got the “wiggler” effect on there which I imagine is mostly the same, except it actually generates adjustable keyframes rather than nebulous ones. I didn’t know about the wiggle expression at the time, but since I have I’ve been wonder if it’s worth it to make the switch. I am curious to know how the math involved in that works, mostly just because I wonder if an object will appear to jitter more or less when it is scaled down (this is more for the logo). Although now that I’m thinking about it I should probably add the wiggle effect to the logo comp, rather than the logo itself, so that the wiggle effect won’t scale down with it.

SilverWook said:

canofhumdingers said:

moviefreakedmind said:

It seems like a lot of people have the idea that in order to enjoy a movie they have to like, defend, and justify every single aspect of it.

I don’t think so. I don’t love the idea of Star Destroyers entering atmospheres, the Evazan cameo, or the lack of Moroff screen time to name just a few. It’s not a perfect film at all, but it’s still a film that I really love.

And I really dig Vader in this movie and enjoy discussing and debating his appearance in it.

ray_afraid said:

Mocata said:

Vader should have said “Needa hand there, Captain?” to stay in character.

Yes. This is exactly the level the R1 pun is on. Vader didn’t talk like that.

I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree. I don’t think Vader’s actual pun is nearly as lame as that. In fact, I think it sounds very much like something he’d have said in the OT (particularly reminiscent of “apology accepted” as he flipping KILLS the guy…) and have no problem with it.

High fives a fellow Moroff fan

I think the idea that a Star Destroyer can enter the atmosphere has been around a while. The old making of ESB paperback mentions a scene that never made the final cut where the Rebel troops on Hoth look up to see a SD overhead. And we’ve never seen exactly how Imperial Walkers are dispatched.

We haven’t, though in TLJ you can see walker transport ships in the hangar on the Supremacy.

As for a star destroyer in the atmosphere, I’m not sure I understand that complaint.

If I remember correctly, the R2 mockumentary is on the episode II bonus disc.

I have a DVD with that “The Story of Star Wars” thing, but it’s only the summarized plots which pretty much aren’t worth watching, I didn’t even know there was a doc that goes with it?

There’s also the Musical Journey disc that came with the ROTS soundtrack, it’s not really a documentary, but it’s music videos for the whole saga with introductions by Ian McDiarmid.

paja said:

Tom Hardy vs Tom Hardy.

Matt.F said:

Evil in Star Wars…

I was just reading this months Empire magazine and they did a ‘top 20 movie villains’ article which Darth Vader won (Kylo came 7th). In the article they describe Darth Vader as “pure evil”.

For me, Vader isn’t even close to pure evil. If anything he is ‘lawful evil’, he only ever kills with good reason and seems quite rational. At one point in the carbonite scene when Chewie assaults a Stormtrooper Vader even prevents Boba from shooting the unarmed Wookie.

Vader had The Emperor, who really appeared to take glee and pleasure from being evil, which made Vader appear less evil by contrast. Kylo had Snoke, which did the same. We’ve seen this in Game Of Thrones. Characters like the Hound and Jamie Lannister are not good people, but by contrast to Joffrey and Ramsey they are saints, and so the audience can back them.

Would you say, Kylo is already more evil than Vader? And without Snoke in the next movie will the story necessarily have to present Kylo as more of a pure evil character? He will have to be ‘the big bad’, and so the story might have to abandon the shades of grey and present Kylo as a more hate-worthy villain?

I don’t think I agree at all that Vader always killed “with good reason,” and I find him quite a bit more evil than Kylo.

I think it’s possible that they make Kylo more evil, but I don’t think it’s necessary. Obviously you want a very challenging antagonist, but that’s the thing, what’s important is that they’re an antagonist. Evilness is important to villainy, but villainy is not necessarily important to antagonism.

No, I meant he explained it in his version of the movie. There were no plot holes in his cut.

Ronster said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Leia was ostensibly not there yet, either. Organa says that he’ll send for someone he “trusts with his life.” Maybe she rendezvoused with him at the base and loaded up the droids before docking with Raddus. Or, the Tantive was sent to pick her up with the droids in tow.

It does feel like something was missing around this part. Yes we don’t see this rendevouz? And what i am saying is because the blockade runner was put inside Raddus ship it feels like we are missing a scene or most likely a different version played out differently.

Gareth explained it all before he got fired!

Sir Ridley said:

I made the crawl for Hal 9000’s TFA: Restructured v2 in After Effects. As you may or may not know, the real crawl for TFA was also made in After Effects.

Here’s the crawl I made next to the original crawl:
https://i.imgur.com/3KBqQuu.png

Basically what I did was make a tilted text layer in 3D space that’s filmed with a virtual camera. I did all the text formatting inside After Effects. The title is set in News Gothic Bold Extra Condensed and the rest of the text is in News Gothic Bold. The prequels used Univers Ultra Condensed for the title.

One thing that helps is to animate the text layer at twice the resolution (as a separate composition) and then scale it down, this makes everything look and move smoother. These things are the easy parts, then there are a lot of little details that give the right look to it. The original trilogy crawls were made by actually filming letters with a camera, and the sequel trilogy crawls were made in After Effects with the goal of looking like they were actually filmed. The prequel trilogy crawls are a bit more “perfect” and digital, but still have the depth of field effect. If you want a more retro look like the OT and ST, you’d want to get the right depth of field and add some gate weave as well as effects that get the right look of the text itself, perhaps some film grain too. I have seven effects just on the text to get the right softness and look of the depth of field.

I could send you a template, or just describe things in more detail if you’d like.

Thanks Ridley.

I’ve been basing it off TFA too, oddly enough. Although it wasn’t until recently when I lined them up that I realized how far off they were. I didn’t know they did theirs in AE, though I figured that might be the case, which is kinda what’s making me think I shouldn’t not be able to line it up perfectly (although close enough would be fine)

We have a similar technique. In fact, if anything, the only real difference is I’ve made all the text in Adobe Illustrator, which I think helps, being able to separate it and just look at the text only without the effects.

I am curious though the specifics you use. I’d been under the impression that the focal length for the crawl was 24mm, but I’ve just recently noticed that 23mm might be closer to it. I haven’t played at all with DOF or put effects on it or anything (besides some homemade gate weave, although even on that I wonder how you did it). I also had the text at -70 x rotation but it seems that might even be a bit off. So yeah, curious to hear your specifics.

And also, it’s news gothic? Damn, I’d read somewhere awhile ago that it was franklin, I guess they lead me astray.

Alright, I thought I’d figured this all out myself some time ago, but looking back on what I scrapped together I noticed I was off in many ways. I think I’ve gotten it mostly down, but there’s just one egg I can’t crack–

What version of franklin gothic is used for the episode titles? I’ve been using franklin gothic demi extra compressed but I’ve recently noticed there are a few letters that are off. I’ve also tried franklin gothic demi extra condensed but that’s not quite right either. Thoughts people? Any idea where I can download the proper one?

Also, if anyone’s made a crawl in After Effects, I’m curious how. I mean, I know how, but I’m curious to hear other people’s methods.

Jeebus said:

Ryan Gosling returns as The Driver, but gone are the clever wisecracks and pop-culture references that littered Drive, instead replaced with a dark, brooding, and dare I say boring, character.

#NotMyTheDriver

dahmage said:

Spider-Man: Homecoming

Meh. Better than the other Spider-Man movies, but only a little bit. I only watched it to catch up on the marvel movies before the next few movies.

4/10 I think. Maybe 5/10. Not terrible, just certainly not for me.

Wrong.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Mother!. It’s been months since I had my last J.Law fix.

I think you’ll like this one (I think).

Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

Wonder Woman did the impressive thing of being a typical superhero movie that didn’t feel stale. Marvel recently has had to mess with the genre to seem fresh, but I like that Jenkins was able to breathe some life into it while playing it straight.

darthrush said:

Collipso said:

I must add that it was very predictable.

Not to mention the awful BvS level bad of an ending which absolutely destroyed any sort of theme or message it had and was just a cgi mess.

I agree with both of these posts. It was so good until the last 20 or so minutes.

I tend to agree, although I don’t really think the end ruined it to the extent people say. It was more or less just a disappointing way to round out an otherwise really solid film.