Bombers leaving
GermanImperial airspace by “going to light speed”
You’re right I forgot that the ST invented hyperspace. More Disney unrealistic bullshit.
My favorite part of the Dam Busters is when all the bombers leave German airspace by going to light speed.
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If I were a rich man, I’d get a modest house with a big backyard, so that I have enough room to expand on this house with a theater wing. I’d also want to try to make my own movies, but money can’t buy screenwriting ability.
It can buy you screenwriting lessons. Failing that, it can buy you screenplays.
The reed is maybe the best/most important joke in the movie from a character/story perspective.
Close second is the lightsaber toss.
Interesting. I feel like the reed joke goes on a bit too far at the expense of Rey, making her look stupid and making Luke look mean as he says “wow, you must be really strong with the force”. I would want to shorten it a bit. What are your thoughts on it?
I don’t think it makes her look stupid at all. She legitimately doesn’t know what the force is or how it works (and I don’t blame her, considering). Luke doesn’t seem mean there (to me at least), he’s just teasing a bit.
I see, thank you for clarifying! I still think it could be trimmed a bit without losing the purpose behind it. And I would argue that in a way Rey knows some of what the force is and some ways to use it. She has heard stories about the Jedi and the force,
Yes, but that’s part of the point, she’s heard myths about the Jedi. So not necessarily accurate.
and she instinctively used the force in a couple of ways in TFA.
Yes, instinctively, so she doesn’t really know how to actively use it.
I’d like to thank all of you on not jumping me when I said I haven’t seen this movie and don’t care to. I did that elsewhere earlier today and was immediately labeled “not a real fan”.
And that was the nicest thing I was called.
And, just like here, I made sure to announce that I’m not anti-anything or anyone or boycotting or whatever nonsense. Didn’t matter. I’m a “hater” and a “miserable person” apparently.
“Real fan” is a bullshit term. I think most here know that you can just like what you like and ignore the rest.
Another thing is that even though both TLJ and TESB are the low points, try to compare the endings. TESB’s ending still seems more hopeful, even if only visually due to the room of the final scene being white and Luke and Leia wearing white, while looking at a beautiful space-y thing and awaiting for another adventure to save his friends.
One may argue that TLJ’s ending is even more hopeful due to the whole message that Luke was trying to pass on, and then broom boy showing the rebellion spreading, yadda yadda yadda, but in the end, for the characters it seems much more hopeless than TESB’s. Compare Luke’s last line spoken in TESB to Rey’s in TLJ.
“I’ll meet you at the rendezvous point in Tatooine. Chewie, I’ll be waiting for your signal. […]”
“How do we build a rebellion from this?”Pay attention to their faces, to everything. Rey’s basically hopeless, holding a destroyed lightsaber in her hands, not knowing what to do. While Luke is hopeful, determined determined to rescue his friend, it’s under his control. And he’s fixing his hand, putting that behind him.
Obviously they’re different movies with different characters in different circumstances, but it’s just to show that you don’t have to apparently destroy all of the character’s “hopefulness” and will in order to put them in their low point.
Except Leia responds, which changes Rey’s expression. The movie doesn’t just end after Rey’s line.
Yes, but I didn’t get the feeling that Leia was very sure of herself and of the Resistance at that point. I got the idea of a mom that knows that they’re screwed but is trying to comfort a hopeless child. (And herself)
So it didn’t really convince me. But it’s not a problem I have with the movie, just an observation.
Well that’s not at all what the movie is trying to convey but if you choose to interpret it that way, so be it.
I’m still waiting for someone to convince me that finishing the Thrawn trilogy is worth it even though I didn’t care for Heir to the Empire.
Another thing is that even though both TLJ and TESB are the low points, try to compare the endings. TESB’s ending still seems more hopeful, even if only visually due to the room of the final scene being white and Luke and Leia wearing white, while looking at a beautiful space-y thing and awaiting for another adventure to save his friends.
One may argue that TLJ’s ending is even more hopeful due to the whole message that Luke was trying to pass on, and then broom boy showing the rebellion spreading, yadda yadda yadda, but in the end, for the characters it seems much more hopeless than TESB’s. Compare Luke’s last line spoken in TESB to Rey’s in TLJ.
“I’ll meet you at the rendezvous point in Tatooine. Chewie, I’ll be waiting for your signal. […]”
“How do we build a rebellion from this?”Pay attention to their faces, to everything. Rey’s basically hopeless, holding a destroyed lightsaber in her hands, not knowing what to do. While Luke is hopeful, determined determined to rescue his friend, it’s under his control. And he’s fixing his hand, putting that behind him.
Obviously they’re different movies with different characters in different circumstances, but it’s just to show that you don’t have to apparently destroy all of the character’s “hopefulness” and will in order to put them in their low point.
Except Leia responds, which changes Rey’s expression. The movie doesn’t just end after Rey’s line.
I am reminded of a frequent point they used to make on the Cracked Podcast about suspension of disbelief. In The Dark Knight Rises, there’s a chase scene where Batman goes into a tunnel in broad daylight and exits at night. This is absolutely a textbook hole in the movie, but when the movie came out almost everyone didn’t notice it until it was pointed out to them. The Cracked folks considered this a mark of effective movie-making rather than an egregious mistake, because audiences were swept up in the movie enough not to notice that flaw in the logic. That’s how I felt about all of these nitpicks about the in-universe rules of space travel in TLJ. I was engaged enough in the story that was in front of me that I was not giving any thought at all to whether or not it was 100% consistent with the last eight films (which, it’s worth noting, are not entirely consistent with each other either). I get that that’s not enough for everyone, but it’s enough for me.
Exactly. A perfect example is the T Rex cage in Jurassic park going from level with the road to a pit. But no one notices or cares, because it works. Well no one used to care, until this current CinemaSins-esque nitpick circle jerk “movie criticism” culture said that all “plot holes” are bad and lazy filmmaking. So apparently Steven fucking Spielberg is a lazy filmmaker.
Holy cow I never noticed that!! I just watched it with my kids last week too. Crazy what gets by you!
isn’t it a different side of the street or something? I know what you are talking about and it often bugged me, but i thought i reviewed it in detail once and it actually made sense… (now i need to pull out the DVD and check again)
http://jurassicpark.wikia.com/wiki/Jurassic_Park_Film_Goofs
Often incorrectly regarded as a goof is the fact that when the Tyrannosaurus exits her paddock from ground level with the road, there’s the sudden appearance of a cliff when she pushes the car over it. In reality, there is in fact a cliff that acts as a natural barrier for the Tyrannosaurus, otherwise she would be able to exit her paddock through the gap between the fencing and the tunnel with ease. The diagram on the right illustrates what happens.
That’s the thing about “goofs” like this, if it really bothers you, you can easily come up with explanations.
With regards to the DS being able to use a hyperdrive. I am stunned that people think it wouldn’t. Space is really, really big…I mean, really big. For the DS to not be able to fly at lightspeed would render it completely useless for striking fear into the galaxy.
Of course it realisticly needs a hyperdrive, but I’m not sure if that was the original intent. In the older Superman comics stuff was always just drifting from Krypton to earth with no propulsion at all more less a hyperdrive. Writers didn’t always think that stuff through, and Lucas probably didn’t either.
Indeed, the Falcon famously went from the Anoat system to Bespin sans hyperdrive, so clearly spacial distances are not a huge concern in the SW universe (I bet there’s a debate about that little trip somewhere in these forums!)…
I get that and agree but as to the basic question of whether it uses a hyperdrive or not…of course it does otherwise it would never get anywhere it’s needed. Hell, the galaxy would implode naturally by the time they could get to another target.
Yeah, I mean, when we consider how long it takes to get in sight of the fourth moon…
Yeah, I …uhh…what? 😃
We don’t see the Death Star arrive at Yavin, but but we do see that it takes it 30 minutes to get in sight of the Rebel base on the fourth moon. Considering it took the Falcon less than 30 seconds to do the same, I think it’s a fair assumption that it’d take the Death Star a looooooong time to get to Yavin without a hyperdrive.
Political correctness is a framework of how to “act” (big key word there) or what can be said or what can’t be said and what is safe and won’t offend anyone.
But by stiffling actors so nobody can be offended by anything they could possiblg do i.e. the script is made safe for political corectfulness. The actors look like cardboard wooden and rubbish.
They are actually capable of much more but the material and the framework within which they are confined and boundaries that can not be crossed. The performances are bland and stiffled.
Yet the example you used was Natalie Portman in the PT, where she is wooden not because of political correctness (how fucking ridiculous an idea is it that pc makes actors wooden, not to mention the PT isn’t exactly politically correct), but because George Lucas wrote a script with shit dialogue and didn’t direct his actors well.
No It is not ridiculous at all. If it’s just even bad scripts it still is not going down well. If all actors have to work with is rubbish scripts it’s still not an excuse for all the money in Hollywood.
It is totally inexcuseable which ever way you look at it. There are plenty of actors and actresses that give far better performances outside of the blockbuster trash.
Yeah okay, maybe if George Lucas was writing everyone’s scripts we’d have a serious problem on our hands. But since he’s actually retired, I think we’re good.
Not to mention this still has literally nothing to do with political correctness, but whatever.
I have nothing else to say to you. In fact any of you at this time.
Fine by me.
Political correctness is a framework of how to “act” (big key word there) or what can be said or what can’t be said and what is safe and won’t offend anyone.
But by stiffling actors so nobody can be offended by anything they could possiblg do i.e. the script is made safe for political corectfulness. The actors look like cardboard wooden and rubbish.
They are actually capable of much more but the material and the framework within which they are confined and boundaries that can not be crossed. The performances are bland and stiffled.
Yet the example you used was Natalie Portman in the PT, where she is wooden not because of political correctness (how fucking ridiculous an idea is it that pc makes actors wooden, not to mention the PT isn’t exactly politically correct), but because George Lucas wrote a script with shit dialogue and didn’t direct his actors well.
With regards to the DS being able to use a hyperdrive. I am stunned that people think it wouldn’t. Space is really, really big…I mean, really big. For the DS to not be able to fly at lightspeed would render it completely useless for striking fear into the galaxy.
Of course it realisticly needs a hyperdrive, but I’m not sure if that was the original intent. In the older Superman comics stuff was always just drifting from Krypton to earth with no propulsion at all more less a hyperdrive. Writers didn’t always think that stuff through, and Lucas probably didn’t either.
Indeed, the Falcon famously went from the Anoat system to Bespin sans hyperdrive, so clearly spacial distances are not a huge concern in the SW universe (I bet there’s a debate about that little trip somewhere in these forums!)…
I get that and agree but as to the basic question of whether it uses a hyperdrive or not…of course it does otherwise it would never get anywhere it’s needed. Hell, the galaxy would implode naturally by the time they could get to another target.
Yeah, I mean, when we consider how long it takes to get in sight of the fourth moon…
The reed is maybe the best/most important joke in the movie from a character/story perspective.
Close second is the lightsaber toss.
Interesting. I feel like the reed joke goes on a bit too far at the expense of Rey, making her look stupid and making Luke look mean as he says “wow, you must be really strong with the force”. I would want to shorten it a bit. What are your thoughts on it?
I don’t think it makes her look stupid at all. She legitimately doesn’t know what the force is or how it works (and I don’t blame her, considering). Luke doesn’t seem mean there (to me at least), he’s just teasing a bit.
The reed is maybe the best/most important joke in the movie from a character/story perspective.
Close second is the lightsaber toss.
I agree it’s funny, but important from a character/story perspective? You mean showing Reys naivety? I’m not sure what else you could mean, but I’d be interested to hear what you think.
Well that but also the scene is important for Luke to prove that the force is not just a simple power you have and can harness by merely reaching out your hand. It’s much deeper than that.
With the light saber toss, this one fits the character at that time and the story, but I just didn’t like the choice. If he had simply dropped it, or even not taken it at all and just walked by her I would have preferred that. Throwing over his shoulder just didn’t work for me. So much so that I don’t even know if it’s supposed to be funny? People laughed in my theatre so I presume so but I just found it really jarring.
Not that that matters, but basically everyone in my theater laughed. I thought it was funny. It definitely has comedic timing. But the joke isn’t “haha it’s so wacky that he throws it over his shoulder.” The joke is the subversion of what you expect, how Luke takes this object that was treated with such reverence by everyone else and just chucks it away. It’s more like “ha, wow, he just did that didn’t he.” It tells us a lot about where Luke is right off the bat.
A Friend was asking me for digital Antenna advice the other day. I have never tried using one myself, so i don’t have much first hand wisdom to offer.
Are any of you using Antennas for Digital tv, in a City environment?
Any advice? Tips to try, to avoid?
All I know is my brother got one and all it picks up is Armenian channels.
The reed is maybe the best/most important joke in the movie from a character/story perspective.
Close second is the lightsaber toss.
Despite is not the word.
Remove all the women from all the movies.
I am reminded of a frequent point they used to make on the Cracked Podcast about suspension of disbelief. In The Dark Knight Rises, there’s a chase scene where Batman goes into a tunnel in broad daylight and exits at night. This is absolutely a textbook hole in the movie, but when the movie came out almost everyone didn’t notice it until it was pointed out to them. The Cracked folks considered this a mark of effective movie-making rather than an egregious mistake, because audiences were swept up in the movie enough not to notice that flaw in the logic. That’s how I felt about all of these nitpicks about the in-universe rules of space travel in TLJ. I was engaged enough in the story that was in front of me that I was not giving any thought at all to whether or not it was 100% consistent with the last eight films (which, it’s worth noting, are not entirely consistent with each other either). I get that that’s not enough for everyone, but it’s enough for me.
Exactly. A perfect example is the T Rex cage in Jurassic park going from level with the road to a pit. But no one notices or cares, because it works. Well no one used to care, until this current CinemaSins-esque nitpick circle jerk “movie criticism” culture said that all “plot holes” are bad and lazy filmmaking. So apparently Steven fucking Spielberg is a lazy filmmaker.
No, he knew exactly what he was doing. There’s a phrase for this kinda thing: movie magic.
I dislike Nolbatman.
I find Batman 89 incredibly overrated.
Same.
I know the movie is old news to everyone else, but I really can’t believe that I liked Blade Runner 2049. Biggest shock I’ve had in a long time.
Even though everyone’s been saying it’s good since it came out?
I haven’t seen Memento in about 12 years. I have no idea whether it’s better than Interstellar or not. I just really love Interstellar.
It’s still good, but it’s not.
My rating for TLJ has now fallen to a 3/5 to a 2.5/5.
The only thing I liked in this movie was Rey and Kylo Ren. That was literally it.
I sort of dislike Rian Johnson’s style. He just seems like some egoist that thinks he needed to ‘bend genres’ and ‘break tropes’ and ‘be shocking and Avant-garde’ to prove how Nolanesque he is or something.
If you think TLJ is avant-garde, I don’t know what to tell you.
Every bad decision in this film is being defended as if the filmmakers were shackled to the story and the thing just wrote itself (“that’s what’s realistic”). Sorry, but as someone who’s a film major, that’s not how the force works.
Hahahahahahaha
The OT was specifically designed to not be slow paced or spend to much time showing the scenery. Lucas said himself that he didn’t want to linger on the alien landscapes and crazy special effects more than necessary. He wanted audiences to take it for granted, as if they lived in the galaxy all their life. And those films are only (relatively) slower paced in retrospect.
Ok, so I think we’ve proven it’s properly rated.
Which is to say it’s fine. Not great, not terrible.
No.
