Well if SKB eats a sun then right after the sun is eaten theoretically everyone should die.
I feel like that the idea for the Starkiller weapon was originally conceived as “this laser destroys suns in remote systems, thus killing those planets too,” but this was probably changed as it’s a lot less straightforward.
I don’t think there’s any doubt that the DS went through hyperspace. It’s insane to think how it’d work if it didn’t. The SKB, on the other hand, gives you good reason to think it doesn’t move, as it’s weapon is specifically designed to attack remote systems. The confusing part is in which sun it drains from, but this is confusing no matter which way you crack it.
On the one hand, maybe it drains remote suns just like how it destroys remote planets. But in that case, why does it drain its own sun? On the other hand, maybe it does move around to new suns, but in that case why doesn’t it completely drain the first sun it orbits like it does the second (Hux’s speech is in daylight)? To me it doesn’t matter much either way.
What’s taters?
If I remember correctly, the R2 mockumentary is on the episode II bonus disc.
I have a DVD with that “The Story of Star Wars” thing, but it’s only the summarized plots which pretty much aren’t worth watching, I didn’t even know there was a doc that goes with it?
There’s also the Musical Journey disc that came with the ROTS soundtrack, it’s not really a documentary, but it’s music videos for the whole saga with introductions by Ian McDiarmid.
The “Story of Star Wars” DVD was a compilation of the first 2 discs from the Hasbro toy. The third disc wasn’t included at all, but I was wondering if the videos were exclusive or if they were featured on the movies’ releases on DVD.
I got mine as a bonus DVD with the (I believe it was) Walmart release of ROTS. No idea if it was ever available any other way.
By the way, we have no indication that the Starkiller base ever moves. Why would it travel through hyperspace if its beam can instead?
Here’s the other thing about the base, just because it got destroyed doesn’t mean that the First Order is done. In TLJ we see their fleet, why would any of those star destroyers be on the base? Of course they wouldn’t have been destroyed. And we know that Snoke isn’t there, so the information that he has his base of operations on a mega star destroyer isn’t a terrible surprise.
And the thing about the FO in general, is yeah, we don’t have any idea how they became so powerful - in the movies at least. I don’t see that as a problem, it’s not a plot hole, you might wish that they had explained it but it’s not something that’s unexplainable. And there is something of an explanation in the new canon content. As to whether the FO is a “fringe” group, well that depends on your definition of fringe. I don’t think there was any question in TFA that the FO was powerful and resourceful. TLJ doesn’t betray their galactic standing.
not disagreeing with your post, but i do think we know that SKB moves. it has to find new host stars…
This is something that still confuses me to this day.
Seems like all I do is annoy people.
*sigh*
That is not the case.
I dislike Nolbatman.
I find Batman 89 incredibly overrated.
Same.
It’s so boring.
Nah.
I love Begins and The Dark Knight. Rises I could take or leave.
Rises has no reason to exist.
No.
Much love to everyone in this thread.
Same.
By the way, we have no indication that the Starkiller base ever moves. Why would it travel through hyperspace if its beam can instead?
Here’s the other thing about the base, just because it got destroyed doesn’t mean that the First Order is done. In TLJ we see their fleet, why would any of those star destroyers be on the base? Of course they wouldn’t have been destroyed. And we know that Snoke isn’t there, so the information that he has his base of operations on a mega star destroyer isn’t a terrible surprise.
And the thing about the FO in general, is yeah, we don’t have any idea how they became so powerful - in the movies at least. I don’t see that as a problem, it’s not a plot hole, you might wish that they had explained it but it’s not something that’s unexplainable. And there is something of an explanation in the new canon content. As to whether the FO is a “fringe” group, well that depends on your definition of fringe. I don’t think there was any question in TFA that the FO was powerful and resourceful. TLJ doesn’t betray their galactic standing.
tere are good explanations for most of them anyway.
There are explanations now that we’ve had ages to ponder them. Conversely, the novelization for TLJ isn’t even out yet.
The TFA novel straight up explains how the Starkiller beam could destroy a planet on the other side of the galaxy from where the base itself is located. It just depends on it you want to accept that explanation.
That is to say, you like the movie or you don’t, and that’s your choice. But holding ST and OT up to different yard sticks isn’t exactly fair.
We shouldn’t need novelizations to justify the events of a movie.
But as for different yardsticks, the Death Star was a moon sized space station with essentially a big version of a blaster that could blow up rocky planets. It required the resources of a galaxy-spanning empire to build.
Starkiller Base is a piece of construction many times larger than the Death Star, with a primary weapon requiring seemingly universe-breaking technology that has never been previously hinted at or explained, built by an organization that by all indications is a fraction the size of the Empire.
These are not two yardsticks.
Iteration is your answer.
The German Empire was defeated in WWI, the Nazi’s “rose from the ashes” and 20 years later the Third Reich invaded Poland and WWII began.
The engineering iteration upon the previous weapons, saw the war machine now employ cannon that could span the English channel, unmanned V2 bombs, U boats, and any number of other more advanced hardware (including ultimately nuclear weapons).
Pretty obvious that the First Order is based upon the hardware of the Empire (TIE Fighters, Star Destroyers, Stormtrooper armour, Starkiller Base, etc), and so iteration is your answer to why they are more advanced.
But that still doesn’t answer the question of why they were able to build a far more ambitious project with far less resources. If we saw that they used a robotic workforce and had a lot of automation for their fleet it would make sense, but we get no indication that it’s different from the Empire in this regard. Hux even says that it’s a machine ‘that you have built’. Yet another missed opportunity if you ask me.
Why do we need to see the First Order’s means of production? The only time we saw that before in Star Wars was in one of its most infamous scenes (“Shut me down, machines making machines”). We have no idea how they or the Empire did it so why should it matter?
So I just watched The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises back to back, and I think that if TLJ treated Luke the same way TDKR treats Batman, TLJ Luke would be much more acceptable to me.
For example, at the end of both TLJ and TDKR, the older hero passes on the torch to the pupil, but while in TDKR Batman wins the war and finally provides peace a second time, Luke… just passes on the torch and says “hey boyos, now that I’ve given you guys hope please clean it up!!”
No.
I actually really liked the idea. Too bad you didn’t. Care to explain?
By the way, I know it’s extremely different because Batman is the protagonist of TDKR while Luke isn’t the protagonist of TLJ, but I think that approach was still viable if they wanted to.
The other big obvious difference is that we’re talking about a part 3 vs. a part 2.
Most importantly, though, Batman doesn’t “win the war” and “finally provide peace.” He just defeated this specific threat (with the help of others). There’s no suggestion whatsoever that there will be peace in Gotham from here on out. In fact, it’s made quite clear there won’t be, otherwise what’s the point of him passing the torch to JGL?
It annnoys me that it’s filmed vertically.
It annoys me that I wasn’t there.
There are no ‘real’ spoilers here, just guesses, but here’s a Solo bingo card.
Some of these have no chance, some are plausible. But a couple are kinda what the f? Why wouldn’t there be quips? And what is a corellian bloodstripe and why would specifically a woman give them to him?
It’s funny how antsy fans are getting for a trailer for a movie they supposedly have no interest in.
But Dom, the evil axis of Disney, J.J. Abrams, and Rian Johnson is ruining Star Wars.
Don’t forget Kathleen Kennedy, the Disney Apologists and the SJW’s 😉
Yep. It was Kennedy who fired Lord and Miller, which means the movie is now ruined and will be very bad, even though fans didn’t want Lord and Miller in the first place.
It’s funny how antsy fans are getting for a trailer for a movie they supposedly have no interest in.
So I just watched The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises back to back, and I think that if TLJ treated Luke the same way TDKR treats Batman, TLJ Luke would be much more acceptable to me.
For example, at the end of both TLJ and TDKR, the older hero passes on the torch to the pupil, but while in TDKR Batman wins the war and finally provides peace a second time, Luke… just passes on the torch and says “hey boyos, now that I’ve given you guys hope please clean it up!!”
No.
Here’s a comparison of my logo and the original TFA logo. Note that I purposefully made mine bigger at the first frame (and also it seems to me like TFA’s logo and some of it’s text isn’t quite centered). And I’ve yet to put effects on.
Anyway, this is what you can do with the easy ease and graph functions, using only two keyframes total (one at the start and one at the end):
Not perfect, but good enough for me.
I feel no obligation to watch this State of the Uniom. If anything, I feel the opposite.
I take that line to purposely be over emphasizing the point, to the extent that we see Luke trying to force his philosophy on her.
Got it. Thought you were crazy there for a second.
Loud out laugh?
No room for rebels vs Empire kind of stories. Plenty of room for whatever else. Not every story has to be a massive galactic conflict.
So I was on the whole kind of disappointed with the ST after TLJ, and I realized its mostly because the ST is just a rebootquel, not the continuation I wanted. So I’m going to check out the Thrawn Trilogy and see how I like it compared to the ST.
Just keep in mind (if you didn’t already know) that the Thrawn trilogy takes place only five years after ROTJ, so there’s still Imperials, etc. Though at this point they’re the underdogs, and the Rebellion has became the New Republic. All the new factions start showing up in the later novels.
I’m really curious to see what the new EU novels will do in the future to cover the gap in between ROTJ and TFA. Either very little will happen, or a lot will happen until everything returns back to “empire” vs “rebels.”
One of these days they’ll make a trilogy of novels about Snoke and how he acquired all his money and finally fanboys will stop complaining…
…well, at least the part about making novels about Snoke is plausible.
Well that goes without saying (the Snoke novel part, that is). However, I was more referring to the politics of the SW galaxy. I figure at some point the new EU have to invent some new factions and some lesser conflicts/wars that doesn’t follow the OT formula. I find it hard to believe that they can just do “rebels” vs “empire” for the whole thirty year time span. Maybe for now, but at some point they really do have to think up something else.
They practically can’t for most of those thirty years. They’ve established that the Empire was defeated a year after Endor. On the other side, the First Order didn’t come to be known until at most around six years before TFA, and even then it wasn’t until basically TFA that there was actually an out and out war with them.
Shouldn’t that make it easier for them? That means they have 24 years without the First Order. At least 15-20 of those years should be available for the EU in the coming years. After all, the ST is done in 2019, so even the remaining few years should be up for EU exploration in not too long a time.
When I said “can’t” I meant they can’t do rebels vs empire. It’s an extremely open slate. If I’m not mistaken, besides a few isolated flashbacks in the Phasma novel, we’ve had no content at all yet in the 23 year gap between the final Aftermath book (where the Empire is defeated) and the novel Bloodline (where the First Order makes their “first” appearance). So pretty much anything can happen in there.
So I was on the whole kind of disappointed with the ST after TLJ, and I realized its mostly because the ST is just a rebootquel, not the continuation I wanted. So I’m going to check out the Thrawn Trilogy and see how I like it compared to the ST.
Just keep in mind (if you didn’t already know) that the Thrawn trilogy takes place only five years after ROTJ, so there’s still Imperials, etc. Though at this point they’re the underdogs, and the Rebellion has became the New Republic. All the new factions start showing up in the later novels.
I’m really curious to see what the new EU novels will do in the future to cover the gap in between ROTJ and TFA. Either very little will happen, or a lot will happen until everything returns back to “empire” vs “rebels.”
One of these days they’ll make a trilogy of novels about Snoke and how he acquired all his money and finally fanboys will stop complaining…
…well, at least the part about making novels about Snoke is plausible.
Well that goes without saying (the Snoke novel part, that is). However, I was more referring to the politics of the SW galaxy. I figure at some point the new EU have to invent some new factions and some lesser conflicts/wars that doesn’t follow the OT formula. I find it hard to believe that they can just do “rebels” vs “empire” for the whole thirty year time span. Maybe for now, but at some point they really do have to think up something else.
They practically can’t for most of those thirty years. They’ve established that the Empire was defeated a year after Endor. On the other side, the First Order didn’t come to be known until at most around six years before TFA, and even then it wasn’t until basically TFA that there was actually an out and out war with them.
So I was on the whole kind of disappointed with the ST after TLJ, and I realized its mostly because the ST is just a rebootquel, not the continuation I wanted. So I’m going to check out the Thrawn Trilogy and see how I like it compared to the ST.
Just keep in mind (if you didn’t already know) that the Thrawn trilogy takes place only five years after ROTJ, so there’s still Imperials, etc. Though at this point they’re the underdogs, and the Rebellion has became the New Republic. All the new factions start showing up in the later novels.
I’m really curious to see what the new EU novels will do in the future to cover the gap in between ROTJ and TFA. Either very little will happen, or a lot will happen until everything returns back to “empire” vs “rebels.”
One of these days they’ll make a trilogy of novels about Snoke and how he acquired all his money and finally fanboys will stop complaining…
…well, at least the part about making novels about Snoke is plausible.
