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#1190727
Topic
The Last Jedi : a Fan Edit <strong>Ideas</strong> thread
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Hal 9000 said:

Looks like we have a problem with the “third lesson” deleted scene. Rey running across the landscape is clearly a temp effect and looks very unconvincing. Also, the final shot of the scene features a totally motionless ocean with no waves.

I’m betting someone around here could tackle the second of these, and perhaps that would be good enough to make it usable.

My thought on the first issue is that you could add some blur to hide the unfinished effects and make it sort of like the force dash in TPM. Of course I say this without any certainty that this could be feasibly achieved.

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#1190716
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Ha, citing the RT audience score unironically, that’s funny.

I’m guessing you have “valid” data that supports your take on things.

Do you? In general I wouldn’t trust an audience score on a site like that. Which is to say nothing about the reports of concentrated bot reviews. Even if you think there’s no way that could have been the case (because it’s so unbelievable) there was still a campaign to lower its score. Plus the simple fact that hardcore fans that got mad are way more likely to rate the movie on RT than the casual fans who vastly outnumber them. When you consider the high cinema score, it’s starts to paint a different picture.

Even if you’re skeptical of these things, it’s not hard to see how the RT score might be slightly biased in one direction. That considered, it’s weird to use it as proof that a majority of fans disliked the film when that score is basically right in the middle, even with that negative volunteer bias.

So yeah, I think it’s pretty silly to take any stock in the RT audience score, and you doing so did legitimately give me a laugh.

So no then. Got it.

If you chose not to listen to very easily understood concepts, sure.

Failing that, I think the CinemaScore and IMDb rating will suffice.

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#1190695
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
Time

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Ha, citing the RT audience score unironically, that’s funny.

I’m guessing you have “valid” data that supports your take on things.

Do you? In general I wouldn’t trust an audience score on a site like that. Which is to say nothing about the reports of concentrated bot reviews. Even if you think there’s no way that could have been the case (because it’s so unbelievable) there was still a campaign to lower its score. Plus the simple fact that hardcore fans that got mad are way more likely to rate the movie on RT than the casual fans who vastly outnumber them. When you consider the high cinema score, it’s starts to paint a different picture.

Even if you’re skeptical of these things, it’s not hard to see how the RT score might be slightly biased in one direction. That considered, it’s weird to use it as proof that a majority of fans disliked the film when that score is basically right in the middle, even with that negative volunteer bias.

So yeah, I think it’s pretty silly to take any stock in the RT audience score, and you doing so did legitimately give me a laugh.

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#1190668
Topic
If you need to B*tch about something... this is the place
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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

DominicCobb said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Jeebus said:

Pop is clearly not correct because that word is already taken.

so is the word ‘soda’:

Looks like a milkshake to me.

You’ve never had an [ice cream] soda? 😮

Oh, ice cream soda. Don’t know why you’d remove half of the name when describing it. That’d be like saying this is a banana

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#1190594
Topic
Star Wars The Last Jedi: The Sacrifice edit
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Handman said:

Doesn’t do anything of worth except track the Resistance through hyperspace and then run them down and ultimately destroy half of their escaping transports?

It’s not clear that Hux did anything to influence those events. If the tracking tech was there anyway, anyone could have done it. The Resistance would have escaped had it not been for DJ anyway. I’m not convinced Hux played an important role there besides being a figurehead. With a re-edit, Hux would know this and crave more power, the tension is there in a few scenes but I don’t think they went as far as they could have. The point is, sure, Hux did things, but Hux as a character isn’t all that much.

Seems weird to me to say he’s incompetent when he basically only makes two mistakes throughout the film (underestimating Poe/missing his trolling and not realizing soon enough that Holdo was going to ram into the Supremacy) and otherwise leads a largely successful campaign against the Resistance (in fact, were it not for Kylo, he might’ve managed to wipe them out, perhaps he made a third mistake in not trying to kill him soon enough).

Anyway, my point was that it’s still not clear what any of that has to do with “gender equalizing.”

Not so much that, but what I was saying before, the spark that created these edits was the perception that the guys aren’t very capable. They go about trying to fix this perception in a sexist way by making the females weak when all I’m saying is you cut a bit of Hux being a doofus and there you go.

Being the butt of jokes doesn’t make someone incapable. Maybe if every guy in the movie was the butt of jokes I’d get it, but I still don’t understand why changing a single character would change anything about that perception.

TV’s Frink said:

Handman said:

TV’s Frink said:

Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

TV’s Frink said:

My point is…how would that small, unrelated thing shut down all criticism?

I thought the criticism was Disney has some kind of social agenda to not have any competent white male characters. At least, that’s the reason this edit exists.

I think the question is why would changing Hux fix that. He’s not the only white male in the film and he’s also not that incompetent (just the butt of a couple jokes).

It’s very hard to take him seriously, especially with that opening joke and with Snoke dragging him across the floor in front of his subordinates. No one seems to respect him and he doesn’t really do anything of worth, so just cutting a bit of that would make him that much stronger of a character, and perhaps even make the threat of him operating a coup against Kylo real.

Do you know what thread you are in.

I was just answering Dom’s question. I’m not that good with jokes.

This thread is a joke and I’m not sure why there’s any serious discussion in it.

On second thought, this is a good point.

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#1190561
Topic
Star Wars The Last Jedi: The Sacrifice edit
Time

Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

TV’s Frink said:

My point is…how would that small, unrelated thing shut down all criticism?

I thought the criticism was Disney has some kind of social agenda to not have any competent white male characters. At least, that’s the reason this edit exists.

I think the question is why would changing Hux fix that. He’s not the only white male in the film and he’s also not that incompetent (just the butt of a couple jokes).

It’s very hard to take him seriously, especially with that opening joke and with Snoke dragging him across the floor in front of his subordinates. No one seems to respect him and he doesn’t really do anything of worth, so just cutting a bit of that would make him that much stronger of a character, and perhaps even make the threat of him operating a coup against Kylo real.

Doesn’t do anything of worth except track the Resistance through hyperspace and then run them down and ultimately destroy half of their escaping transports?

Anyway, my point was that it’s still not clear what any of that has to do with “gender equalizing.”

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#1190422
Topic
Star Wars The Last Jedi: The Sacrifice edit
Time

Handman said:

TV’s Frink said:

My point is…how would that small, unrelated thing shut down all criticism?

I thought the criticism was Disney has some kind of social agenda to not have any competent white male characters. At least, that’s the reason this edit exists.

I think the question is why would changing Hux fix that. He’s not the only white male in the film and he’s also not that incompetent (just the butt of a couple jokes).

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#1190420
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
Time

Gothamknight said:

DominicCobb said:
I think a big part of it must be the expectations thing. As evidenced by GothamKnight’s post, if you were expecting something after TFA and didn’t get exactly that, there might be a disconnect for you personally, even if in reality the two films actually fit very well together.

😒

Why is this the operating assumption of TLJ apologists? It’s not that I or other critics were expecting particular answers or resolutions. It’s that we were expecting . . . answers or resolves, or even just new information, of any kind, as long it was a plausible, natural progression from TFA.

So for example, let’s say I was speculating, like many, that Rey was a Skywalker. It’s not that I was disappointed, much less upset, that she wasn’t a Skywalker; that didn’t have to be the explanation for Rey’s Force-prowess. The problem is that TLJ provided no explanation for it; therefore it provided no natural or logical progression from TFA.

I get tired of the apologists arguing that critics are whining about “not getting what they wanted” in terms of specific plot developments. We just wanted . . . plot developments.

Ha, “apologist,” that’s funny (amongst other things).

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#1190244
Topic
The Last Jedi : a Fan Edit <strong>Ideas</strong> thread
Time

TK-422 said:

It’s really interesting to see just how much The Last Jedi changed in the editing room, some of the deleted scenes feel like they’re from a different film, many with setups and payoffs purely contained to the deleted scenes themselves (Finn going to “Where he belongs”). Obviously this happens with every movie, but considering how much deleted stuff we’re seeing from TLJ (20 minutes!), as well as the extensive documentary, it’s a super fascinating look into the production of the film, and makes me appreciate the final product even more.

Yeah I like that Rian seems to be a bit more open to discussing the process. It’s interesting to hear how much was restructured in post, in my opinion it’s one of the film’s greatest assets and something I admired while it was in theaters, and it’s a little surprising to find out some of this was initially very different, as the structure seems very meticulous to a point where I assumed it was like that from the start.

It’s definitely a step up from the prequels where the film will just at points cut back and forth with no rhyme or reason (looking right at you, AOTC).

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#1190243
Topic
The Last Jedi : a Fan Edit <strong>Ideas</strong> thread
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ChainsawAsh said:

Exactly. That’s why several of them were cut - because they no longer fit with the structure of the film as it was shaped in the edit bay.

Rian insists that the caretaker scene was cut because Luke was too much of a jerk in it, and he thought it was better to go from Luke and Rey starting to understand each other into the hand touching scene rather than them being at each other’s throats at the time, but I think the restructuring was another big reason for that scene being lost, too.

That’s not quite what he said in the commentary though, it wasn’t that Luke was a jerk it was more about wanting to see Luke and Rey make some progress whereas the caretaker scene happens right after Rey declares that she won’t fail him. So it was more like changing it up so that every scene didn’t end with Luke being a disappointment, and which made they fact that she leaves hurt even more.

Not sure if restructuring played into it so much as pacing.