DominicCobb

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Dek Rollins said:

DominicCobb said:

Tron: Legacy (2010) - I was trying to figure out why it took me so long to see this movie, and honestly there’s no explanation. Wanted to see it when it came out, never got around to it. Better late than never. Music’s great, visuals tend to be pretty good (though after awhile they verge on monotonous), some cool set pieces. Buuuut characterization across the board is pretty weak here, which I guess wouldn’t have been a problem if they weren’t trying to make everything so dramatic. But they did. B-

I would give it an even lower score just for the “happy ending” where the girl (who is literally a computer program rather than a real person who was sci-fi beamed into digital data) gets to come back to the real world with the protagonist for no reason other than “love interest.” I also didn’t like the movie very much regardless, but I’m not going to fling poo over differences in taste.

Well they do explain that she’s a bit more than a computer program as she’s something that’s been created organically without Flynn’s involvement (what he calls a “miracle”), so I like the intent there, and they don’t really make the romance angle explicit. Still, she’s got so little dimensionality that the emotion that they want you to have of her entering the real world isn’t really earned in any way.

Gamer (2009) - Okay so with Ready Player One coming out, I got kinda curious about previous cinematic forays into VR/gaming sort of things. This was a movie who’s premise interested me at the time, though the reviews kept me away. Turns out, yep, the premise is amazing, but the movie is… not quite that. It has a lot of great ideas and portrays them in consistently the dumbest ways possible. Which, I guess at least makes it fun, here and there. C-

The Lawnmower Man (1992) - Another VR movie, let’s just say the premise of this one is not quite as good. Occasionally becomes so bad it’s good, which is probably the only redeeming factor. D

War Games (1983) - It occurred to me that I had never actually seen this movie all the way though, only chunks here and there on TV. It was actually better than I remembered, more suspenseful and also more fun and lighthearted than I had thought. A good watch. B

Pacific Rim: Uprising (2018) - Ehhhhh this is a bit of a shame. I feel like there’s a good story here that’s hidden under the scrap heap, but it never gets a chance to lift off. Enjoyable moments and an always great Boyega make this watchable, but it does really get quite boring after awhile. C

Tron: Legacy (2010) - I was trying to figure out why it took me so long to see this movie, and honestly there’s no explanation. Wanted to see it when it came out, never got around to it. Better late than never. Music’s great, visuals tend to be pretty good (though after awhile they verge on monotonous), some cool set pieces. Buuuut characterization across the board is pretty weak here, which I guess wouldn’t have been a problem if they weren’t trying to make everything so dramatic. But they did. B-

Short Circuit (1986) - Amusing if slight story. Doesn’t do much to make me care all that much about anything going on. Cool robot I guess. C

Ready Player One (2018) - If it’s Spielberg, I’m there. Been excited about this for awhile, at least until recently when it became clear that this would be some sort of reference fest. Fortunately, the references are mostly background stuff, but occasionally they are legitimately distracting, and with little purpose to the narrative. Still, an incredibly fun trip with some really cool set pieces. If it didn’t fumble its final message, I would have really loved it. Alas. B

It would be weird if that didn’t come to a head. Abrams himself established that friction between them right out of the gate.

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

If you read my post then it was obvious that I was saying that obfuscating the gun control issue and shifting focus to some other political agenda is counter-productive and is a primary reason as to why nothing ever happens on gun control. If you think Elliot Rodgers wouldn’t have done what he did if he had just been lectured on toxic masculinity, then you’re delusional, just like how the conservatives that blamed Columbine on Marylyn Manson and video games were delusional. Gun control is the only solution, and then it must be followed by better mental health care. If you bothered read my post then you’d have known that this was my point. Instead, you just quoted it out of context presumably to make me look like some anti-woman asshole. I’d rather you just not say anything at all rather than libelous bullshit.

You assume too much.

I’m going to assume that you either agree with me (which would be giving you the benefit of the doubt) or are incapable of coherently voicing your opinion on this since you’re refusing to do it.

I already told you how I feel. Why you’re compelled to constantly put words into my mouth is beyond me.

If you want me to explain further, I think that looking at things in binary terms are silly. I agree gun control and mental health are the biggest issues. That doesn’t mean it’s impossible to imagine that toxic masculinity might play a role. Doesn’t mean I think it the only factor, or the most important one. Don’t know what’s so hard to understand about this.

As to thinking you’re “anti-woman” or whatever, I’ve said nothing of the sort. Just mean it’s not out of character for you to put scare quotes around a phrase like toxic masculinity or say that other gender problems are “made-up.” A simple “you’re misunderstanding my meaning,” would’ve sufficed, not sure why you felt the need to argue with something I wasn’t saying, though I guess I’m not surprised at this point that you’d do that.

moviefreakedmind said:

If you read my post then it was obvious that I was saying that obfuscating the gun control issue and shifting focus to some other political agenda is counter-productive and is a primary reason as to why nothing ever happens on gun control. If you think Elliot Rodgers wouldn’t have done what he did if he had just been lectured on toxic masculinity, then you’re delusional, just like how the conservatives that blamed Columbine on Marylyn Manson and video games were delusional. Gun control is the only solution, and then it must be followed by better mental health care. If you bothered read my post then you’d have known that this was my point. Instead, you just quoted it out of context presumably to make me look like some anti-woman asshole. I’d rather you just not say anything at all rather than libelous bullshit.

You assume too much.

Possessed said:

DominicCobb said:

“Made up gender problems.” Classic.

Oh come on. Unless I’m grossly misreading him all he is saying is that gender identity being tied to mass shootings is made up. I don’t think he is saying gender identity problems are made up in general.

It didn’t read that way, and it’s not too far fetched a leap to make considering things he’s said in the past.

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

“Made up gender problems.” Classic.

In this case they are. If you are coopting the gun-control debate to make it about some other issue that it has nothing to do with gun violence, then you are “problematic”. I don’t understand why that’s hard to grasp, but go ahead and not actually address anything that I said. That’ll really convince me that you know what you’re talking about.

Haha okay, didn’t realize that I was required to respond to every aspect of your post.

If you must know, I think there are many factors that contribute to things like this, and we should be talking about all of them. Although I do agree it makes sense to focus on the ones that have more concrete solutions.

“Made up gender problems.” Classic.

Huh, didn’t notice that.

Collipso said:

This is a gold

MalàStrana said:

DominicCobb said:

the tone of the film

A movie where Luke dies has the tone of a comedy ? Not sure about the “tone” angle here.

I mean, if you want to cut out all the humor throughout the movie and make it into a very dreary and heavy film, that’s one thing. But if you’re leaving in much of the humor throughout, then it’s important to establish upfront that, while these are very dramatic circumstances with some big powerful moments, this is still a fun Star Wars movie with moments of levity here and there. A film’s tone doesn’t have to be monotonous.

RogueLeader said:

Regardless, I really like the idea of making a database of usable deleted scenes overtime as people edit them.

That’s the idea.

I personally wouldn’t include most of these scenes, but I figure it’d be easier for people who wanted to to check the status here rather than sift through the various edit threads in hope someone else has done something (also reduce redundant work).

…oh, and if anyone has “Kylo Searches the Falcon” without the timecode, go ahead and slide right into my PMs, please and thanks.

I’d say it’s important to keep some humor there, it’s necessary to establish the tone of the film upfront (that is, assuming you don’t cut out all the comedy throughout). Either way, it emphasizes that this is a harebrained “heroic” scheme on Poe’s part, which, combined with the lightheartedness that contrasts with the ultimately rather tragic end of the sequence, establishes Poe’s arc for the film.

All of which is to say, the second clip you posted.

Alright guys, there’s gotta be someone out there brave enough to commit their precious time to making everyone else here happy. If anyone’s got the wherewithal to fix the technical issues in the TFA and TLJ, now’s your chance to speak up.

Issues in the various scenes -

• All of the TFA scenes have timecode. I know some people have removed it in some spots. Be curious to get exact details of which scenes have gotten the removal treatment and where people can find them

• The Unkar Plutt scene and the snow speeder chase have unfinished VFX which is almost certainly beyond the ability for fans to fix

• I fear the same is the case for the preparing for lightspeed scene, though I am hoping I’m wrong about this

• Would’ve thought that removing Carrie’s braid in her deleted scene was nearly impossible, but the Restructured edit proves it’s not

• Telecine has apparently removed deleted scene time code, specifically the “Kylo Searches the Falcon.” Possibly also Sir Ridley.

• Sir Ridley and Neverar also collabed on fixing/color grading the “Leia and the Resistance” deleted scene as well as a bit of the Jakku Message scene, but the dialogue was modified to serve the Restructured edit.

• Many of the TLJ scenes seem to be beyond fixing (alternate opening, Paige’s gun jams, extended Fathier chase, the Phasma scene, and Rey and Chewie on the Falcon), but who knows, maybe there’s something to salvage

• The jacket scene has a bit of rough compositing on Finn’s legs in the first shot

• In the Rey hologram scene, BB-8 is missing his antennae in the first shot, and you can see the puppeteer arm in his last

• Some rough compositing and backgrounds in the caretaker village plus unfinished Rey running effects (lightsaber too)

• Various unfinished set extensions in the extended Supremacy incursion scene

• Unfinished shot of Crait in the scene where Finn and Rose leave the Supremacy, plus tape and stuff below the window

• Some unfinished shots from the Canto Bight b-roll

• And also a lot of the music is temp or doesn’t flow into the following scenes, so I’m wondering how clean the center channel is on these

So what about it guys? What stuff can be fixed/already has been fixed?

Possessed said:

DominicCobb said:

Possessed said:

Fuck you Possessed, you’re not allowed to tell me what kind of evening I want you to have.

Also have an amazing evening, eat at least two and a third pizzas.

I actually did order many pizzas yesterday, so I will probably be feasting on their leftovers tonight. But can I in good conscious do it now that you’ve told me to? I like to play by my own rules.

Well if you want to pass up on a good pizza, that’s your loss.

moviefreakedmind said:

It was the most readily accessible example. I personally love endless negativity, and even I can’t handle the attitude toward these movies. And for the record, I’m talking about both sides. The lovers and haters.

People here tend to be passionate about Star Wars (which I think makes sense, considering). So I’d say it’s normal for people to be especially fierce in their opinions for a new Star Wars movie.

I don’t claim to be a perfect person nor a perfect debater. Like I said, I’m snarky, and I get extra snarky when people purposefully misrepresent what’s being argued.

Possessed said:

What kind of evening would you like me to have if I may ask? I’m hoping for mediocre and uneventful

You’re not allowed to tell me what kind of evening I want you to have.

Also have an amazing evening, eat at least two and a third pizzas.

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

The responses to people on this site who politely comment on things they don’t like about the Disney movies are as intense as the PT fanbase’s denunciation of people who didn’t like the prequels back in the day.

Just because you keep repeating this claim doesn’t make it true.

It was true before I said anything about it. It was obviously the case just after TFA came out.

I’ll also just remind you of your first post in this thread.

DominicCobb said:

Yeah, okay… holy fucking shit!

JEDIT: haha of course you guys hated it, what else should I have expected from this joyless site

Lot of those early complaints wouldn’t be what I would call “polite.” And I stand by the claim that this is a (relatively) joyless site. People love more than anything to bitch and moan here (not just about TLJ and not just about SW). It can be quite draining. I will say of course that is not something unique to this site, it’s quite common all over the internet. I’m not a fan of endless negativity in general, and I wouldn’t say me pointing that out is particularly “intense.”

Collipso said:

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

Now THAT’s being open minded.

Care to clarify?

Relax, no one’s being open minded these days - and that wouldn’t be the “”"“solution”""" for you anyway. Maybe more patience? Or maybe accepting another interpretation of what’s been said?

Wasn’t mad at you, just legitimately confused. You made a very vague statement that seemingly had no bearing on the conversation, and I honestly had no idea how to respond without any further clarification.

Funny about patience because I’m actually very patient in real life, maybe you’re right though. I probably do have a lot less patience with people on the internet.

That being said, it’s weird to say I should be open to someone else’s interpretation of what I’ve said when they’re making me out to be some sort of maniacal douchebag, with plainly untrue reasoning.

It’s like if I said “Collipso is always arguing that people who like TLJ are paid Disney shills with no convictions or sense of taste.” Would you be justifiably miffed with that, or would you just accept someone saying that you need to be open minded to other people’s interpretations without any complaint? I don’t think it’s unreasonable or narrow-minded to ask people to engage in debate without making things up.

You yourself misinterpreted something I said a couple of pages back and even though both me and Val told you that you had misinterpreted my post, you refused to accept that that was the case IIRC. But no biggie, I was just teasing.

Have to be honest, literally no idea what you’re talking about.

You have a point. Have a good evening. 😃

How dare you, my point was terrible. Have a shit evening, never talk to me ever again.

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

I’m snarky in general, about all things. Hardly the only poster like that here (Jay and mfm come to mind). The idea that I’m rude about every criticism of the movie is absurd (especially when I myself don’t think it’s even close to perfect). I’ve barely debated the movie in here at all the last couple months because the arguments became circular and pointless. I’ve never succumbed to any name calling, generalizing, or even floated the mere possibility that if people didn’t like the movie they’re alt-right trolls.

It was adywan that brought up the alt-righters.

Yet you said my “larger point seems to be that almost everyone loves the Disney Star Wars movies and anyone who has any real problem with them just has a massive stick up their ass or is an alt-right operative.” Which is in no way the case.

moviefreakedmind said:

The responses to people on this site who politely comment on things they don’t like about the Disney movies are as intense as the PT fanbase’s denunciation of people who didn’t like the prequels back in the day.

Just because you keep repeating this claim doesn’t make it true.

Possessed said:

Chill penguin

Okay

Collipso said:

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

Now THAT’s being open minded.

Care to clarify?

Relax, no one’s being open minded these days - and that wouldn’t be the “”"“solution”""" for you anyway. Maybe more patience? Or maybe accepting another interpretation of what’s been said?

Wasn’t mad at you, just legitimately confused. You made a very vague statement that seemingly had no bearing on the conversation, and I honestly had no idea how to respond without any further clarification.

Funny about patience because I’m actually very patient in real life, maybe you’re right though. I probably do have a lot less patience with people on the internet.

That being said, it’s weird to say I should be open to someone else’s interpretation of what I’ve said when they’re making me out to be some sort of maniacal douchebag, with plainly untrue reasoning.

It’s like if I said “Collipso is always arguing that people who like TLJ are paid Disney shills with no convictions or sense of taste.” Would you be justifiably miffed with that, or would you just accept someone saying that you need to be open minded to other people’s interpretations without any complaint? I don’t think it’s unreasonable or narrow-minded to ask people to engage in debate without making things up.

You yourself misinterpreted something I said a couple of pages back and even though both me and Val told you that you had misinterpreted my post, you refused to accept that that was the case IIRC. But no biggie, I was just teasing.

Have to be honest, literally no idea what you’re talking about.

I’m snarky in general, about all things. Hardly the only poster like that here (Jay and mfm come to mind). The idea that I’m rude about every criticism of the movie is absurd (especially when I myself don’t think it’s even close to perfect). I’ve barely debated the movie in here at all the last couple months because the arguments became circular and pointless. I’ve never succumbed to any name calling, generalizing, or even floated the mere possibility that if people didn’t like the movie they’re alt-right trolls.

Fucking insane to me that I’m not allowed to defend a movie without being talked down to and generalized. The hypocrisy is stunning.

moviefreakedmind said:

I came to that conclusion based on your rude dismissal of any and all criticisms of the films no matter how diplomatically phrased they are.

So you’re just bullshitting then, got it.