DominicCobb

ray_afraid said:

DominicCobb said:

he just says it’s primarily about sacrifice

But it’s not.

It’s not about sacrifice because ultimately it’s not really primarily about anything, it’s almost about a lot of different things, one of them being sacrifice.

My full quote was

he just says it’s primarily about sacrifice, or that’s what he thought it should be about.

And when he says it’s about sacrifice, he’s saying “when I watched the rough cut, I saw what the film needed, which was to be about sacrifice.” If you don’t think the final product is about sacrifice, the proper critique isn’t that “he doesn’t understand the movie as much as some dude on the internet,” it’s that “he wanted the movie to be about sacrifice, but he failed to make it so.”

ray_afraid said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Eh, I still don’t trust him. I have to know specifics about the original.

Same. Edwards other films are good and the production went smooth, so it’s not like he’s incompetent.

I don’t think Edwards’s competence is the problem. If I had to guess, they were rushed into production without a solid script, and when it came time to look at a cut it was clear what they were working with wasn’t working. Worth noting too that by all accounts Edwards was still involved during the reshoots, and Gilroy doesn’t say he wasn’t.

Edwards is fine, but he’s not someone I would say has amazing story sense. Monsters was okay. Godzilla had good moments but was ultimately not great. Interestingly enough, Godzilla had rewrites too, done by none other than Tony Gilroy.

ray_afraid said:

moviefreakedmind said:
Just for the record, I wasn’t being sarcastic with my comment on it being about sacrifice, I genuinely didn’t get any of that from the movie. I thought it’s message was about “learning to work together” and “doing the right thing” or something like that.

Yep. It’s funny that someone who doesn’t even like the film seems to understand it better than some of the people who worked on it. 😉

That doesn’t even make sense. Gilroy doesn’t say that the movie isn’t about those things, he just says it’s primarily about sacrifice, or that’s what he thought it should be about.

I’ll never understand how people come to the oddest conclusions.

Mocata said:

DominicCobb said:

Mocata said:

I’d rather see the version which had more Saw Gerrara as an actual character, and a finale where the group are actually together. It could still be a grey, lifeless marketing exercise but I’m not sure why he thinks this was an improvement.

I’m not sure why either of those would improve it. It sounds like the changes he made were narrowing the focus of the film and making the character motivations clearer. If anything, he didn’t go far enough.

Because those are character moments that are important for making me care about characters in a movie. As it stands I have no idea what Jyn and Saw were motivated by, beyond a few clichéd sound bites.

Well that’s under the assumption that those unused moments with Saw would provide his motivation, and that his motivation is necessary to the overall story. As is he’s ultimately not incredibly important to the narrative, so in my mind it makes sense to streamline his story if he’s out before the halfway point (and when there’s at least 8 other important characters that are still alive and relevant).

Mocata said:

I’d rather see the version which had more Saw Gerrara as an actual character, and a finale where the group are actually together. It could still be a grey, lifeless marketing exercise but I’m not sure why he thinks this was an improvement.

I’m not sure why either of those would improve it. It sounds like the changes he made were narrowing the focus of the film and making the character motivations clearer. If anything, he didn’t go far enough.

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Eh, I still don’t trust him. I have to know specifics about the original.

Okay but you don’t trust anyone so.

I trust a few people, but only if I know them well and have deemed them trustworthy. I don’t know who this Gilroy is other than that he’s someone who got paid millions to do reshoots on a Star Wars movie. Why should I trust him?

I don’t see why not. The only reason I can think of why he would lie is to flatter himself, which yeah it does sound a little like he might be exaggerating for that reason, but still he seems to speak rather candidly in a way that doesn’t reflect well upon the studio.

moviefreakedmind said:

Eh, I still don’t trust him. I have to know specifics about the original.

Okay but you don’t trust anyone so.

SilverWook said:

Why is this coming out now, did an NDA expire or something?

Seems like the first time anyone’s asked him. He says in the interview that there’s stuff he won’t get into, presumably due to the NDA.

Gilroy’s not the studio, he’s an unrelated filmmaker that they brought in. If he says it was a mess, I don’t see any reason to doubt that.

And his whole point was that the first thing he knew the movie needed was an underlying theme, and sacrifice is what he came up with.

I can’t speak to Fan4stic, but from what I understand a lot of problems arose because the director was hostile or something.

Reshoots are 90% of the time a good thing and legitimately done to try make the movie better, though this is something the internet doesn’t seem to understand.

And I got your meaning, but like I said Gilroy’s right, if everyone dies in the end, the movie should be about sacrifice (in addition to those things you mentioned). I tend to think if they had more time they could’ve nailed it.

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Being identified, stalked, and potentially harmed in some way.

Yeah, that’s not going to happen.

I can’t the feeling

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

Have you ever been in a relationship though?

Yes, I’ve been in a fucking relationship. Four, to be exact.

There’s a difference between relationships and fucking relationships.

Have you ever been in a relationship though?

moviefreakedmind said:

Being identified, stalked, and potentially harmed in some way.

Yeah, that’s not going to happen.

Alright, looks I’ll have an updated workprint done sometime this weekend, and I’ll send it out to all who I sent the first one to, plus Mala. If anyone else is interested, let me know.

moviefreakedmind said:

Rogue One is “a movie about sacrifice.” What?

When I read that I think yes, that’s what it should be about. Considering how even the reshot version fails to properly hit that mark, I can’t imagine what the original looked like.

moviefreakedmind said:

I’m tempted to post a picture of myself here but I’m too paranoid.

Paranoid about what?

Well the previous screenwriters share at least as much of the blame. By all accounts it seems like Edwards stuck around too, so it’s probable that he wasn’t completely happy either.

Can’t imagine they’d take such a drastic course of action if it wasn’t necessary.

Proving that sometimes the simplest explanation is the correct one, Tony Gilroy confirms that the reshoots were done primarily because the film wasn’t that good:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/heat-vision/star-wars-rogue-one-writer-tony-gilroy-opens-up-reshoots-1100060?__twitter_impression=true

He seems to be pretty tight lipped in regards to Edwards and directing, though it sounds like they were more interested in fixing things rather than the nitty gritty of who’s the “director,” and ultimately he just sort of gradually became the go to guy by the end of it.

DZ-330 said:

How does Poe know that Rey is on the Falcon???

What reason would he have to think she isn’t?

I don’t think that’s what I said.

chyron8472 said:

DominicCobb said:

I didn’t feel it.

Do you make it a habit of feeling SW’s feral ball?

Like I said, I didn’t feel it, and that’s all I’ll say on the matter.

I didn’t feel it.

Possessed said:

Oh so in your head canon trump knows what he’s doing.

I mean I get that to some the Legends universe is hard to let go of.

It’s like pretending the new Trek movies aren’t in an alternate universe.

Tobar said:

The second is one of my favorite movies of all time, I even got S.S. Wilson to autograph my blu-ray copy. But “people” generally consider it worse than the first.

I might have to check it out at some point anyway. Don’t always agree with “people.”

Tobar said:

DominicCobb said:

Short Circuit (1986) - Amusing if slight story. Doesn’t do much to make me care all that much about anything going on. Cool robot I guess. C

We can’t be friends.

This is like the fifth time this has happened. Is the second one worth watching?

Handman said:

All I remember is Shia LaBeouf was in it

I guess you don’t remember it very well.