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#1230828
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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People seem to think Rey’s journey is done and over with after TLJ, which is just absurd. The idea that Rey’s rejection of Kylo has more in common with Luke’s actions in ROTJ over ESB is just a silly reach for an argument (any argument) that in this case is on incredibly shaky ground. Rey conquered neither Snoke or Kylo (not even close). Like Luke in ESB, she ran in unprepared and gave Snoke everything he wanted. The only reason she came out alive was because Kylo’s actions, which, unlike ROTJ, weren’t because of the hero’s pleading (which didn’t work in this case).

No need to go further in depth than that, I’ve said it all before.

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#1230759
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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snooker said:

DominicCobb said:

snooker said:

Star Wars Episode I except with Abrams/Disney style laser blasts:

https://gfycat.com/LeadingForkedKentrosaurus

What program are you using?

Hitfilm 4 Express.

I desaturated the fuck out of the green Naboo lasers, and overylayed a blue lightsaber effect. The cherry on top was the lense flares.

Hmm interesting, first I’ve heard of it. Looks good.

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#1230663
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Jay said:

Mocata said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

Rey isn’t a Jedi yet.

Which begs the question what does Rey miss, that would prevent her from being called a Jedi? She has pretty much all the skills. She defeated Kylo Ren, resisted Snoke, and rejected Kylo Ren’s offer. What else is left for her to do, outside of defeating Kylo Ren again?

Being a Jedi is about more than just having all the skillz (which there’s no indication she has anyway). She defeated Kylo in a moment of weakness for him (and the next time she tried to face him she never even got to ignite her saber). She did not resist Snoke. And rejecting a single offer towards the dark side doesn’t mean that you’ll never face temptation again. Luke rejected Vader’s offer in ESB, don’t forget.

Sure, but let’s also not forget, that Luke did not have the level of control Rey has at the end of TESB. Luke still struggled to lift a few rocks, and got handed his *** by Vader. Rey came out victorious by comparison, and even got to rescue the rebels in the end.

That doesn’t make her a Jedi.

Right.

Being a Jedi was never about having level 90 flip ability and knowing how to dismember a dude in a few seconds. Power levels and midichlorians are PT nonsense. “My powers have doubled since we last met” says Anakin. WHAT. What does that even mean. The whole trilogy is gibberish. Now take ROTJ and what does Luke really do to become a Jedi Knight? He fights yet again, and he actually only beats Vader in combat when anger and rage fuel his body. Just like Vader said in ESB. But becoming a Jedi has nothing to do with sweet moves and fighting abilities. Luke goes beyond that and throws down the saber. It’s a spiritual state of mind, like a touch of Zen. People argue over and over about ridiculous things like how can Rey do this or that. Who even cares. It’s irrelevant.

After Rey’s childhood, there’s nothing zen about her. I can’t buy the notion that a week’s worth of stress focused her mind and turned the coal into a diamond. Show me a monk who achieves enlightenment in a week.

Whether you define the scope of what it means to be a Jedi as flipping around and floating rocks or a spiritual, zen-like state of mind, neither should be possible to the extent Rey is capable within a few days.

But again, Rey’s not a Jedi yet. That’s the whole point being made. Whether or not she’s got the high level powers already, she hasn’t yet reached that zen point that Luke does at the end of ROTJ.

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#1230662
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

They’re not in line with rules that people have established based on the previous 6, sure. But there isn’t anything that directly contradicts with what’s actually in the films. It’s only rewriting our perceptions of the universe, not the films themselves.

It’s basic good storytelling to bring the audience along and not suddenly and radically alter the rules. It’s not that audience has established rules but rather took them from the previous material.

No doubt in additional stories various rules are amended or expanded upon. But it’s important to bring the audience along. If the accepted rules change significantly with no good reason, you risk losing the audience.

Thus with Rey many of us are thinking: this is radically inconsistent with what we saw and liked in previous movies.

Some, like me, were hoping for some great reason to appear in E8. Late in TLJ, Snoke basically tells us the reason is the Force forces itself upon people in search of some kind of balance. Even if we choose to believe the Snokester, many of us think that’s lame.

I didn’t like Anakin as a vergence because midichlorians either or the prophecy stuff. All that is something like a precedent for Rey. Introduced that way, I bet more people would have been on board. And recognizing that, I can honestly say that’s still lame.

Many don’t think the rules were altered radically. Most probably don’t think the rules were altered at all. I remember I saw TFA with a big group of people, mostly casual fans. I was the only one who had a problem with Rey performing the mind trick. They either didn’t notice the inconsistency or didn’t care. Even without the anecdote, I’d guess most of the casual audience isn’t too concerned with the minutiae of who can do what force powers when.

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#1230630
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Mocata said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

Rey isn’t a Jedi yet.

Which begs the question what does Rey miss, that would prevent her from being called a Jedi? She has pretty much all the skills. She defeated Kylo Ren, resisted Snoke, and rejected Kylo Ren’s offer. What else is left for her to do, outside of defeating Kylo Ren again?

Being a Jedi is about more than just having all the skillz (which there’s no indication she has anyway). She defeated Kylo in a moment of weakness for him (and the next time she tried to face him she never even got to ignite her saber). She did not resist Snoke. And rejecting a single offer towards the dark side doesn’t mean that you’ll never face temptation again. Luke rejected Vader’s offer in ESB, don’t forget.

Sure, but let’s also not forget, that Luke did not have the level of control Rey has at the end of TESB. Luke still struggled to lift a few rocks, and got handed his *** by Vader. Rey came out victorious by comparison, and even got to rescue the rebels in the end.

That doesn’t make her a Jedi.

Right.

Being a Jedi was never about having level 90 flip ability and knowing how to dismember a dude in a few seconds. Power levels and midichlorians are PT nonsense. “My powers have doubled since we last met” says Anakin. WHAT. What does that even mean. The whole trilogy is gibberish. Now take ROTJ and what does Luke really do to become a Jedi Knight? He fights yet again, and he actually only beats Vader in combat when anger and rage fuel his body. Just like Vader said in ESB. But becoming a Jedi has nothing to do with sweet moves and fighting abilities. Luke goes beyond that and throws down the saber. It’s a spiritual state of mind, like a touch of Zen. People argue over and over about ridiculous things like how can Rey do this or that. Who even cares. It’s irrelevant.

Exactly.

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#1230469
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

Rey isn’t a Jedi yet.

Which begs the question what does Rey miss, that would prevent her from being called a Jedi? She has pretty much all the skills. She defeated Kylo Ren, resisted Snoke, and rejected Kylo Ren’s offer. What else is left for her to do, outside of defeating Kylo Ren again?

Being a Jedi is about more than just having all the skillz (which there’s no indication she has anyway). She defeated Kylo in a moment of weakness for him (and the next time she tried to face him she never even got to ignite her saber). She did not resist Snoke. And rejecting a single offer towards the dark side doesn’t mean that you’ll never face temptation again. Luke rejected Vader’s offer in ESB, don’t forget.

Sure, but let’s also not forget, that Luke did not have the level of control Rey has at the end of TESB. Luke still struggled to lift a few rocks, and got handed his *** by Vader. Rey came out victorious by comparison, and even got to rescue the rebels in the end.

That doesn’t make her a Jedi.

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#1230453
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If you need to B*tch about something... this is the place
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dahmage said:

DominicCobb said:

TV’s Frink said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

Skim milk is tolerable in cereal, but not on its own.

Milk should never be drunk on its own.

Well if you’re talking about skim, soy, and almond milk, then you’re absolutely right.

the only time it is OK to drink milk on its own is if you are an infant, nursing.

that is my hot take.

although i let my toddler drink milk (whole).

No.

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#1230443
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

Rey isn’t a Jedi yet.

Which begs the question what does Rey miss, that would prevent her from being called a Jedi? She has pretty much all the skills. She defeated Kylo Ren, resisted Snoke, and rejected Kylo Ren’s offer. What else is left for her to do, outside of defeating Kylo Ren again?

Being a Jedi is about more than just having all the skillz (which there’s no indication she has anyway). She defeated Kylo in a moment of weakness for him (and the next time she tried to face him she never even got to ignite her saber). She did not resist Snoke. And rejecting a single offer towards the dark side doesn’t mean that you’ll never face temptation again. Luke rejected Vader’s offer in ESB, don’t forget.

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#1230381
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DuracellEnergizer said:

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

DominicCobb said:

Lucas changed his own rules with each new movie he made. If new creators aren’t allowed to expand our understanding of the universe as Lucas did, why even make new films?

exactly. they should never have made new films period.

I often suspect this is how many feel but they often pretend that’s not the case. Appreciate the honesty.

I hope I’m not one of those lumped in with the pretenders.

Nah you’re very upfront about it. Not entirely sure why you’re in this thread though…

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Collipso said:

and lucas was heavily criticized for comtradicting himself. does that excuse other creators contradicting some stuff that came before? imo no it doesn’t.

In my mind it all comes down to what services the story. Vader as Luke’s father is a retcon but also one of the most powerful developments in the saga (and cinema history, really). Luke and Leia as siblings isn’t awful but doesn’t ultimately have much bearing on ROTJ. Padme dying in ROTS contradicts a line in the OT but in my opinion is absolutely essential to the story that ROTS is telling, and the movie would be worse without it.

Basically, it depends. Many fans are binary about these things. I don’t think that’s the right way to go about it.

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#1230373
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Collipso said:

DominicCobb said:

Lucas changed his own rules with each new movie he made. If new creators aren’t allowed to expand our understanding of the universe as Lucas did, why even make new films?

exactly. they should never have made new films period.

I often suspect this is how many feel but they often pretend that’s not the case. Appreciate the honesty.

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#1230230
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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NeverarGreat said:

I’m calling it now - the Big Three will all be Force Ghosts by the end (yes, even Han somehow) and they’ll all appear to Rey as a mirror to Luke’s scene in ROTJ.

There was a split moment during TLJ where, if you had paused the film in that second and asked me, I would’ve put money on Harrison Ford making an appearance.

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#1230091
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snooker said:

Something that I found interesting is that the Yoda scene in this movie implies that Yoda hasn’t spoken to Luke in 30 years.

[Yoda said:]
Luke, the Force runs strong in your family. Pass on what you have learned, Luke…

[Yoda said:]
Heeded my words not, did you? Pass on what you have learned.

I wonder if Kenobi also gave him the silent treatment.

It’s possible they haven’t, but I don’t think that line necessarily implies that.

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#1229978
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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NeverarGreat said:

DominicCobb said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I find it interesting that they specifically said Carrie’s stuff would be unused TFA footage, implying that they won’t also be using any unused TLJ footage on top of that.

I think there probably just isn’t any unused TLJ stuff.

Which is a shame, I much preferred the lighting and costume from TLJ - she just looked so regal.

Totally agree. I’m kinda hoping they do some minor CG adjustments to her TFA outfit to at least make it seem different (there’s also the possibility that they’ll keep her as-shot long braid).