DominicCobb

Possessed said:

Hell there is even redbox at Walmarts now.

Be mindful, some have never been there.

ChainsawAsh said:

Yeah, but he hasn’t made a decent movie since Moon, so…

Source Code was good though.

paja said:

DUNCAN JONES TO DIRECT TV ADAPTATION OF KILLER INTENT
http://www.liberty-films.com/2018/08/07/duncan-jones-to-direct-tv-adaptation-of-killer-intent/

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Random-TV-Thoughts/id/61707

Well I had been a little disappointed that I ultimately missed the restored 2001 in 70mm this year (only a little because I saw it in the format last fall), but turns out I got another chance.

Tickets purchased to see 2001: A Space Odyssey in 70mm IMAX later this month!

Possessed said:

I read they asked him to come back for TFA and he declined.

Yeah I heard that too. I don’t see why he’d change his mind this time, but it’d be cool if he did.

I personally think Rebels has a lot more potential than TCW because that show is pretty much all over the place. TCW has the benefit of somewhat self-contained arcs to make “movies” out of, but the episodes that make up those arcs still feel episodic when mashed together (often jumping from one character to another). Rebels has a much more consistent progression for the characters and the story, so you could easily just trim down the fat and have a fine streamlined version of the series.

As to whether it’s movies or episodes, maybe the best way to structure it would just be to not worry about the structure. Like, season 1 is a two hour movie, while season 2 is two movies, and season three is a few hour-long episodes, etc. Whatever works.

fmalover said:

I was just thinking that it would be cool if an elderly Mon Mothma popped up in Episode IX. I looked up and Caroline Blakiston is still alive, and indeed she has expressed interest in returning to Star Wars.

I’ve thought this might be a possibility for awhile. They’ve conveniently made her status ambiguous in the books around this time period.

snooker said:

I’d be fine with Wedge returning, even if he only has one or two lines.

I’d like for Wedge to return, only if he has one or two lines or less.

moviefreakedmind said:

People that thought I was romantically interested in them no longer thought so.

That’s not really the problem.

Handman said:

I was compensated with free dinner and axe throwing. So, I was invited to that I suppose.

What the f is axe throwing? Also that doesn’t sound like an invite, more like she’s repaying a favor (so weird thing to thank for).

I wouldn’t worry too much about it though honestly, that’d only make things worse. You probably still have the chance to hang out with her again sometime.

moviefreakedmind said:

If you’re not romantically interested in her then you can make that clear too. If she doesn’t believe you then just tell her you’re gay.

In case it needs to be said, this is bad advice.

Handman said:

Well, it’s a woman, and I think that would come off weird.

Well, hate to say it, but your text probably came off weird anyway. That’s the kind of thing someone does after a date. Buddies usually don’t do that (ideally you would’ve just said nothing and texted her some other time to hang out).

I know this sounds pretty dumb, but it’s probably true and I can’t blame her. I probably would’ve thought and done the same thing in her position. This is her way of subtlety telling you she’s not interested.

JEDIT: dammit Frink, yeah I had the same thought after the first post, the fact that she’s a woman only solifies the probability.

TV’s Frink said:

Why does TFA take three days tops?

It doesn’t. It’s at least three days. Not that it matters terribly. And there’s a thread for this:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/How-much-time-does-each-movie-cover/id/50630

Jay said:

TV’s Frink said:

Jay said:

My point is that those saying a Jedi’s powers come from achieving a certain state of mind (with which I agree) have to accept that Rey has achieved at least enough “zen” to become as powerful as any Jedi to come before her, all in about a week.

Probably doesn’t matter to the overall point but do we actually have something in the movie that indicates it’s been such a short period of time?

Fair question, but I wouldn’t feel any better about it if it were a month or two.

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

My point is that those saying a Jedi’s powers come from achieving a certain state of mind (with which I agree) have to accept that Rey has achieved at least enough “zen” to become as powerful as any Jedi to come before her, all in about a week. She may not be enlightened yet, but she’s apparently achieved enough focus and determination in a few days that her powers are only lacking in comparison to previous Jedi by mere degrees; a bit of finesse is all that truly separates her from the greats who came before.

To be clear I’m not saying that. What I’m saying is a Jedi’s powers are not what defines their mastery, or at least in in my opinion shouldn’t be. (To make a literal comparison, Anakin is implied to be possibly the most powerful Jedi in the order during ROTS, but he is not granted the rank of master.)

Whatever power in the force Rey has demonstrated is far less important to her status as a strong Jedi than factors like wisdom, knowledge, and discipline. Despite the raw strength she’s exhibited, her technique is never anything but messy. Her hard work and determination lets her be especially in tune with the force, but she doesn’t have the command of it yet that a Jedi would. She may have the spirit of a true Jedi, but she (again) is not a Jedi yet. She’s got some growing to do.

All of this is beside the fact that anyone who says TLJ makes Rey out to be the “best and most powerfulest Jedi ever” is completely ignoring the fact that the film goes out of its way to give the most impressive and impactful bit of force usage in the entire series to not Rey, but Luke… and then goes on to imply that he will live on as potentially the most legendary and inspirational Jedi ever. But Rey lifted some rocks though so they’re forcing her seem like she’s the bestest.

I think when people talk about her being the most powerful Jedi ever, they don’t mean Rey is literally Luke’s superior at this point in time, but that she’s progressed much farther much faster than anyone before her, and given the pace at which she’s improving, it wouldn’t take much longer for her to surpass previous Jedi. It’s about the calendar time she’s taking to achieve her powers, not a direct power-to-power comparison.

Well if the complaint is that she could one day after the movies become the best Jedi ever, I don’t get the complaint. Why not?

My interpretation of a Jedi’s powers has always been that they grow as they approach mastery, and that mastery is attained based on the effort they put into both physical training and meditation. Regardless of one’s innate Force sensitivity, practicing mindfulness over some meaningful period of time was the key not just to their emotional growth, but physical capabilities and tricks like mind-reading.

If meditation is a requirement for building one’s power, as I believe it is, then Rey’s rapid advancement doesn’t make sense given her lack of meaningful time for meditation and can only be explained through plot devices like psychic ability transference, which frankly sounds like nonsense to me. You mention her hard work and determination letting her be in tune with the Force; what and why, exactly? The things she did to survive on Jakku? No doubt she worked hard, but I don’t see how a good work ethic on its own, primarily put into practice by salvaging parts, translates into a connection to the Force that allows her to hold her own against much more experienced students of the Force.

What I’m suggesting is Luke had his head a bit too much in the clouds, and if it wasn’t for that and his impatience, he maybe could’ve done what Rey did too (there are other potential factors to Rey’s innate ability too, but that’s not really important to what I’m talking about). You mention meditation is necessary for force connection, and I agree. I think Rey’s isolated life on Jakku lead to her being a person with a particularly good sense of focus. Little 9 year old Anakin comes from a similar hardworking upbringing as Rey, and we see he’s far more in touch already with the force than decade-older Luke (how exactly otherwise is a literal child the only human who can successfully pod race?).

I think it’s entirely likely Abrams wanted people swinging lightsabers at each other in TFA, and since his cliffhanger ending rested upon Luke being a no-show until the final scene, Kylo needed an opponent who could at least hold their own. Enter Rey with her microwave dinner Force powers and the touched upon, but never explained, potentially Force-sensitive Finn.

“Microwave dinner Force powers” - first time I’ve heard this ‘Unkar’s portions make one force sensitive’ theory, but I can’t say I hate it.

I will say I think there’s something that was lost during TFA some way along the process in regards to the “awakening” of the force, which is likely part of JJ’s overall streamlining the film for general audiences. It’s somewhat disappointing, but I personally don’t feel like it affects the quality of the film in a significant way.

Honestly the idea that the level of power you have correlates to your status as a Jedi is basically the philosophy of the dark side. They value physical strength and offense above all when it comes to the force. With the Jedi it’s about far more.

“I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.”

How does that power manifest? In an unstoppable onslaught against the Imperial navy? Nope. Obi-wan’s power in the afterlife transcends the trappings and failings of the material world. His is a power that Vader literally couldn’t imagine - a power that had nothing to do at all with physical strength or attack.

Luke doesn’t truly become a Jedi until he stops fighting and tosses his lightsaber. It wasn’t his physical strength that helped him topple the Empire. It was his compassion. Luke’s greatest force power in ROTJ, the one that makes him a Jedi, and the one that kills the Emperor, is one that has him completely rejecting his own strength in combat that he has developed through rigorous training. And ultimately this is same reason why his actions in TLJ are the greatest we’ve seen any Jedi yet accomplish.

“A Jedi uses the force for knowledge and defense.”

Now what does this have to do with Rey? Well, it just means that, despite all her physical strength in the force (and her apparent skill in combat), we still haven’t seen her face the true test of what it means to be a Jedi. And that matters far more than whether she can already do a mind trick or not.

SilverWook said:

I got the impression Finn had been unconscious in the giant ziploc Bacta fluid bag for a few weeks at least.

As with the timelines in every Star Wars movie, it’s entirely ambiguous (and ultimately unimportant).

Also

Jay said:

My point is that those saying a Jedi’s powers come from achieving a certain state of mind (with which I agree) have to accept that Rey has achieved at least enough “zen” to become as powerful as any Jedi to come before her, all in about a week. She may not be enlightened yet, but she’s apparently achieved enough focus and determination in a few days that her powers are only lacking in comparison to previous Jedi by mere degrees; a bit of finesse is all that truly separates her from the greats who came before.

To be clear I’m not saying that. What I’m saying is a Jedi’s powers are not what defines their mastery, or at least in in my opinion shouldn’t be. (To make a literal comparison, Anakin is implied to be possibly the most powerful Jedi in the order during ROTS, but he is not granted the rank of master.)

Whatever power in the force Rey has demonstrated is far less important to her status as a strong Jedi than factors like wisdom, knowledge, and discipline. Despite the raw strength she’s exhibited, her technique is never anything but messy. Her hard work and determination lets her be especially in tune with the force, but she doesn’t have the command of it yet that a Jedi would. She may have the spirit of a true Jedi, but she (again) is not a Jedi yet. She’s got some growing to do.

All of this is beside the fact that anyone who says TLJ makes Rey out to be the “best and most powerfulest Jedi ever” is completely ignoring the fact that the film goes out of its way to give the most impressive and impactful bit of force usage in the entire series to not Rey, but Luke… and then goes on to imply that he will live on as potentially the most legendary and inspirational Jedi ever. But Rey lifted some rocks though so they’re forcing her seem like she’s the bestest.

Possessed said:

Collipso said:

Possessed said:

And where did he pick up all those moves he used in Return of the Jedi that he didn’t learn from Yoda in esb? I believe he… Dare I even say it… Figured them out himself?

such as? i can only think of the mind trick that was in the movie to basically tell the audience that Luke had grown from novice in SW to master in RotJ. other than that…

Maybe “new skills” isn’t correct, but enhanced surely is. He made a few impressive jumps in esb sure, but those were some pretty fancy acrobatics he pulled off on the sail barge that in the movies were unprecedented. Not to mention how much better he is with a Lightsaber. And he deflects laser bolts on endor with ease, something I don’t think yoda could hasn’t taught him. And he senses vaders presence/mindset. So new skills include force choke and mind control, but all old skills are also super enhanced and polished all the sudden with no extra training besides practicing ON HIS OWN.

I’ve said it before and I’ll keep saying it. It’s not just the powers. Luke is like a whole other person in ROTJ. Calmer, cooler, wiser. Personally it’s always been somewhat disappointing to me that there’s that gap in his arc from ESB to ROTJ. Not that it’s a hard leap to believe he’d progress that way after ESB, I just wish we could have seen it. Luke’s overwhelming confidence in ROTJ just feels slightly unearned, and sorta kills the tension when it comes to whether or not he’ll actually resist the pull to the dark side in the end.

It’s a dumb term, but in being dumb, it is rather fitting.

Possessed said:

And where did he pick up all those moves he used in Return of the Jedi that he didn’t learn from Yoda in esb? I believe he… Dare I even say it… Figured them out himself?

Yeah but he had plenty of time to go on side quests and level up before then.

NeverarGreat said:

DominicCobb said:

Would be cool to give the Falcon a slightly different look, like red stripes or something.

I really would have liked a lot more battle damage and general wear and tear. Maybe show that the top gunner turret was blown out and had to have metal plating covering it. Would have explained why Finn and Rey were acting like there was only one operational turret in TFA.

Yeah, I just feel like a paint job would be more feasible for a fan editor.

NeverarGreat said:

DominicCobb said:

NeverarGreat said:

DominicCobb said:

NeverarGreat said:

DominicCobb said:

People seem to think Rey’s journey is done and over with after TLJ, which is just absurd. The idea that Rey’s rejection of Kylo has more in common with Luke’s actions in ROTJ over ESB is just a silly reach for an argument that is on shaky ground. Rey conquered neither Snoke or Kylo (not even close).

No need to go further in depth than that, I’ve said it all before.

Not even close? With Snoke dead and all of Kylo’s training allowing him to almost equal Rey, who recovers from their battle long before him?

Rey was dead if not for Kylo. She had no way out. Even though Kylo claims that the girl killed Snoke, this is not actually true if you watch the whole film.

I’m not sure why recovering faster from a shockwave is indicative of ability, but okay.

Truly things look grim for our hero in the darkest chapter of this trilogy. How can she ever hope to defeat someone whom she always seems to beat and his army of tactical imbeciles led by a man so stupid that he fell for a prank phone call?

I am on the edge of my seat.

If you watch the films, she actually only beat him once, believe it or not, when he was severely injured. I could have sworn this has been explained before on this site but I could be wrong.

I’m not investigating the reason for her victories, only that they seem to happen. And she did win in TLJ. Just think it through. If two people who are battling alone get knocked unconscious, the first one to recover has the power of life or death over the other. Rey has won. That she doesn’t kill Kylo doesn’t change the fact that she was completely capable of doing so.

Hero doesn’t kill unconscious villain. Big powerful victory there.

Glad that you acknowledge it.

It’s a shame they didn’t show us this epic heroic moment.

I suppose you could probably claim most cinematic villains are imbeciles. If any Star Wars villains were smart, the heroes would get nowhere. And yet somehow non-pedantic viewers have been able to enjoy a film in which the bad guys squander every chance to quash a rebellion. And they’ve now made 9 additional films in that franchise! Crazy, I know.

Ha, you’re not going to trap me into pedantically stating that movies are usually designed to make the villains seem overwhelmingly powerful and the hero’s situation dire. You’re definitely not going to make me say that it’s important to show that the villains are an existential threat to our heroes on every level, because that’s just an obvious statement about movies that everyone knows.

The Resistance fits on the Falcon at the end of the film. Not dire at all.

They have everything that they need, apparently. They’ll be fine.
At least, that’s what I got from it.

It’s called hope. Running theme in the saga actually.

NeverarGreat said:

DominicCobb said:

NeverarGreat said:

DominicCobb said:

People seem to think Rey’s journey is done and over with after TLJ, which is just absurd. The idea that Rey’s rejection of Kylo has more in common with Luke’s actions in ROTJ over ESB is just a silly reach for an argument that is on shaky ground. Rey conquered neither Snoke or Kylo (not even close).

No need to go further in depth than that, I’ve said it all before.

Not even close? With Snoke dead and all of Kylo’s training allowing him to almost equal Rey, who recovers from their battle long before him?

Rey was dead if not for Kylo. She had no way out. Even though Kylo claims that the girl killed Snoke, this is not actually true if you watch the whole film.

I’m not sure why recovering faster from a shockwave is indicative of ability, but okay.

Truly things look grim for our hero in the darkest chapter of this trilogy. How can she ever hope to defeat someone whom she always seems to beat and his army of tactical imbeciles led by a man so stupid that he fell for a prank phone call?

I am on the edge of my seat.

If you watch the films, she actually only beat him once, believe it or not, when he was severely injured. I could have sworn this has been explained before on this site but I could be wrong.

I’m not investigating the reason for her victories, only that they seem to happen. And she did win in TLJ. Just think it through. If two people who are battling alone get knocked unconscious, the first one to recover has the power of life or death over the other. Rey has won. That she doesn’t kill Kylo doesn’t change the fact that she was completely capable of doing so.

Hero doesn’t kill unconscious villain. Big powerful victory there.

I suppose you could probably claim most cinematic villains are imbeciles. If any Star Wars villains were smart, the heroes would get nowhere. And yet somehow non-pedantic viewers have been able to enjoy a film in which the bad guys squander every chance to quash a rebellion. And they’ve now made 9 additional films in that franchise! Crazy, I know.

Ha, you’re not going to trap me into pedantically stating that movies are usually designed to make the villains seem overwhelmingly powerful and the hero’s situation dire. You’re definitely not going to make me say that it’s important to show that the villains are an existential threat to our heroes on every level, because that’s just an obvious statement about movies that everyone knows.

The Resistance fits on the Falcon at the end of the film. Not dire at all.

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

People seem to think Rey’s journey is done and over with after TLJ, which is just absurd. The idea that Rey’s rejection of Kylo has more in common with Luke’s actions in ROTJ over ESB is just a silly reach for an argument (any argument) that in this case is on incredibly shaky ground. Rey conquered neither Snoke or Kylo (not even close). Like Luke in ESB, she ran in unprepared and gave Snoke everything he wanted. The only reason she came out alive was because Kylo’s actions, which, unlike ROTJ, weren’t because of the hero’s pleading (which didn’t work in this case).

No need to go further in depth than that, I’ve said it all before.

Well, I disagree. What demons does she have to overcome either literally or figuratively, that she hasn’t already? How can she grow? Luke passed on the batton to her showing none of a master’s reservations, being confident she will become the next Jedi. Even Yoda makes a statement that echos the one he made to Luke in ROTJ, where he says there’s nothing in the tree, that the girl Rey doesn’t already possess, which should be taken both literally, and figuratively, I believe. TLJ’s ending feels more like the conclusion of a trilogy for a reason, and this is examplified by the way Rey is put on a pedestal having passed her trials, and saved the day.

One of the things I appreciate most about TLJ is its ability to stand on its own. It’s actually superior to ESB in this regard. Things like Yoda’s statements aren’t exclusively conclusive, they just suggest that she has the tools she needs. Whether or not she can manifest that potential is what will have to be seen. Think about the end of the original SW. The implications are all there that Han will join the rebellion and Luke will be a Jedi. There’s a conclusiveness there, but it doesn’t preclude us from seeing Luke become a Jedi, and seeing Han still have to settle his debt with Jabba (not a perfect comparison, but I hope you get me).

I can think of many ways that Rey can grow. There’s a lot of options for JJ and co. If it were up to me, she’d continue where she left off, learning to finally forge her own path, and facing the ultimate challenge of which side that path will end up. But that’s just my idea. I’ll be happy with anything JJ creates as long as it’s in line with her character as previously portrayed.

NeverarGreat said:

DominicCobb said:

People seem to think Rey’s journey is done and over with after TLJ, which is just absurd. The idea that Rey’s rejection of Kylo has more in common with Luke’s actions in ROTJ over ESB is just a silly reach for an argument that is on shaky ground. Rey conquered neither Snoke or Kylo (not even close).

No need to go further in depth than that, I’ve said it all before.

Not even close? With Snoke dead and all of Kylo’s training allowing him to almost equal Rey, who recovers from their battle long before him?

Rey was dead if not for Kylo. She had no way out. Even though Kylo claims that the girl killed Snoke, this is not actually true if you watch the whole film.

I’m not sure why recovering faster from a shockwave is indicative of ability, but okay.

Truly things look grim for our hero in the darkest chapter of this trilogy. How can she ever hope to defeat someone whom she always seems to beat and his army of tactical imbeciles led by a man so stupid that he fell for a prank phone call?

I am on the edge of my seat.

If you watch the films, she actually only beat him once, believe it or not, when he was severely injured. I could have sworn this has been explained before on this site but I could be wrong.

I suppose you could probably claim most cinematic villains are imbeciles. If any Star Wars villains were smart, the heroes would get nowhere. And yet somehow non-pedantic viewers have been able to enjoy a film in which the bad guys squander every chance to quash a rebellion. And they’ve now made 9 additional films in that franchise! Crazy, I know.

People seem to think Rey’s journey is done and over with after TLJ, which is just absurd. The idea that Rey’s rejection of Kylo has more in common with Luke’s actions in ROTJ over ESB is just a silly reach for an argument (any argument) that in this case is on incredibly shaky ground. Rey conquered neither Snoke or Kylo (not even close). Like Luke in ESB, she ran in unprepared and gave Snoke everything he wanted. The only reason she came out alive was because Kylo’s actions, which, unlike ROTJ, weren’t because of the hero’s pleading (which didn’t work in this case).

No need to go further in depth than that, I’ve said it all before.

Would be cool to give the Falcon a slightly different look, like red stripes or something.