DominicCobb

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Oh, did I use a word wrong again? I meant to say “disapproval” in that case. I can give some examples of you overexaggerating (imo) your disapproval of the particular lines, not the overall effort.

I don’t know how else to explain this. It’s not personal, so you really shouldn’t take it that way. This is just what happens in fan editing, people are going to give their opinions, it’s not always going to align with yours. It’s okay.

Please, please, let’s just move on.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Let me be clear, I appreciate the feedback. But let’s also try not to overexaggerate any distain for something. You had me thinking I was some alien creature that perceives audio completely differently than everyone else LMAO.

I think you probably just need to calm down a bit. There’s no disdain here. I’m just explaining my perspective.

It’s a purposefully extreme example to explain my point. Yes, animation would stick out more, but the point is that it sticks out, and draws attention to the fact that it’s a fan edit. It’s the same principle.

jarbear said:

This thread has taken a weird turn when giving honest and constructive feed back is … bad?

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills here.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I would argue that it’s impossible to remove the “fan edit-y” feeling of Leia, so I’m not sure why you brought up adding lines to begin with. I always thought the intention was to make her seem like an actual human being that doesn’t say a catchphrase every so often like a doll with a voice box.

I see those two things as the same? Hearing her say two lines in completely different tones within a few seconds sounds both like a fan edit and like a doll with a voice box. Soundboard Leia does not make her seem any more human just because she’s talking more. The goal is to integrate lines that feel believable. As with any fan edit change like this you try it out, and if you don’t buy it, you scrap it. Like, I’m not going to include footage from one of the animated Galaxy of Adventures shorts because I want more stuff with Kylo. Just because on paper it’s adding to the story doesn’t mean it actually works.

Once again, this is no fault of your work. And if you’re not bothered by it that’s okay. But I don’t see what is so hard to understand about my position (on this and other jarring changes that have been suggested).

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I also think its important to note that Carrie is dead, so obviously ADR was NEVER going to be flawless. If you can make an excuse for TV shows, I think you can make an excuse for a movie trying to bring a deceased actor back to life (within reason, of course).

We’re walking egg shells though. Leia in the film already feels flimsy and kinda fan edit-y, the goal here is to make her seem less like that, that’s why I suggested we should add Leia lines in the first place. If the lines are only serving to do the opposite, then we’ve lost track of the point.

Seriously I have nothing against other people not being bothered by it. But jesus christ we’re just giving our honest feedback. It’s weird that people are pushing back against that and trying to make it out like we’re not telling the truth?

sidshady12 said:

DominicCobb said:

sidshady12 said:

Think about how it would feel in the larger context, watching the entire scene, let alone the entire movie, would you really notice if Disney released it that way and that’s what was official?

100% yes. Sorry. Just being honest.

You excluded the second part of my comment where I explained that I only think that one first line works fine “there’s been a lot of that”, and that yes obviously some of the other dialogue tests were too noticable. I still think the one where she gets cut off also has potential.

It doesn’t matter. The others are worse but that one still sticks out.

But still, I’m inclined to disagree with you.

Buddy, no. That’s not how disagreeing works. You can’t just say “I know for sure you wouldn’t have noticed it.” You don’t know me. In fact I do often notice bad ADR in movies. But this is far worse than anything I’ve seen in any professional film (off the top of my head). And I know it sounds harsh, and trust me that’s no diss to Jar Jar for putting it together. It’s not his fault. The tone just isn’t right, the scene just clearly wasn’t shot for those lines. It feels very obviously like a fan edit. Good for you if it doesn’t bother you.

Make Vader’s head smaller in the OT to match his look in ROTS.

sidshady12 said:

Think about how it would feel in the larger context, watching the entire scene, let alone the entire movie, would you really notice if Disney released it that way and that’s what was official?

100% yes. Sorry. Just being honest.

Unfortunately it’s not working for me, the tone doesn’t feel right for that scene.

Neerb said:

DominicCobb said:

Neerb said:

This might seem kinda needless, but there’s something else I think might be worth touching in that scene.

After Rey says “I don’t want to go without your blessing, but I will,” we get a reaction shot of Leia look up at her. I think that shot would be better as the very last shot of the scene, after Rey says “It’s what you would do.” I think that better sells that Leia/Carrie is actually there reacting to Rey/Daisy, and that Rey’s words are why Leia returns the saber in the next scene.

I’ve tried this before. It works decently, though I’m still not sure if I’m going to do it.

Is there a particular issue that makes you unsure?

It’s been a minute so I don’t remember what didn’t sell me on it completely. I’ll have to check again.

Neerb said:

This might seem kinda needless, but there’s something else I think might be worth touching in that scene.

After Rey says “I don’t want to go without your blessing, but I will,” we get a reaction shot of Leia look up at her. I think that shot would be better as the very last shot of the scene, after Rey says “It’s what you would do.” I think that better sells that Leia/Carrie is actually there reacting to Rey/Daisy, and that Rey’s words are why Leia returns the saber in the next scene.

I’ve tried this before. It works decently, though I’m still not sure if I’m going to do it.

Hal 9000 said:

They were working with scraps for Leia, and much more than we have. I am open to mock-ups but I don’t imagine most of these being improvements. I’ve been wrong before and it doesn’t hurt to try and see.

About the end scene, black would make sense for a funeral but it still feels like it signals the wrong thing. I agree grey might be nice, but it’s still the same outfit and I feel it’d be obvious it was merely recolored. I’d really like to see a return to what she wore at the end of TFA and most of TLJ, really. Or just something new. I imagine they had her revert to her scavenging looks in order to fit with footage of hugging Carrie from TFA. I really think that’s most of the reason why.

Well I don’t think that’s the reason, they could have put her in anything and it wouldn’t have been an issue for them (since the new outfit is quite different regardless).

Anyways one of the reasons I’d advocate for having the wraps be a different color than the rest is that it gives off more of a Jedi robes impression, at least to me. Like, her outfit in the back half of TLJ is essentially the same as her scavenger outfit, but having the two different colors accentuates the wraps. It’s a fancy new look, and I think thematically it makes sense that she’s accepting who she is which includes a bit of darkness.

Icecream2448 said:

Wouldn’t it make more sense to have Rey wearing dark clothes throughout the film, then end on her wearing white? Like Luke in his all black ensemble and the white flap at the very end. Black and dark gray colour clothes in Star Wars thematically means evil, or conflicted at the very least. What’s the message of her wearing some darker colours at the end of this? sorry if im missing something.

Edit: Is it that she’s now okay about her evil Palpy heritage, and wearing dark at the end is like a badge of honour? “Here are my scars, but I’m really a Skywalker at heart.”? Is that necessary? I’d prefer it if “Rey Skywalker.” was her first time wearing all white in the film, if things were different.

I personally would prefer black for most of the film and white for the final scene, but inverting it is waaay less work. To me what’s important is seeing a visual signifier that she’s moved on to the next chapter in her story. I think you can interpret it a few ways where there’s some meaning that makes sense to see black at the end (she’s come to terms with the darkness within her, it’s mourning clothes, she’s emulating Luke Skywalker in the Mandalorian, black looks cooler, etc.). I actually think having either the wraps be white and the rest black (or vice versa) would look great too.

This is what Marvel put Luke in after ROTJ:

If we’re throwing in things to consider that the community might be able to help with (ideas that have been thrown around before here and elsewhere)…

• Adding lava to some of the Mustafar shots.
• Change Rey’s line to “I will earn your FAMILY’S saber,” which just makes more sense on a few levels.
• Add a line for Leia after saying “no” to Rey going on the mission. Something like “You’re not ready.” Scene feels a little awkward.
• Add Finn saying to Jannah “We all have to fight” so it seems like he had some influence on her decision to join the resistance (paying forward his TLJ arc).
• Change Luke’s line to “Leia sensed the BIRTH of her son,” which seems more fitting.
• Give Rey a different outfit in the final scene, either all black or grey, or partially black or grey.
• Recolor the saber burial cloth to be black and add a hole so it appears to be Ben’s sweater, so she’s burying things that belong to all three ghosts.

SparkySywer said:

Hal I think you’ve come pretty close to the very Worst Edit Idea

How about when Rey defeats Palpatine you suddenly see Anakin’s face deepfaked on top of hers.

There’s a sandstorm in TPM.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Looks like it was in fact removed. Here it is put back into the Mustafar sequence:

https://youtu.be/GeuAnhU5NLk

Definitely needs some color correction. There’s a green hue over it. Not to mention the fact that it is slightly abrupt (and I know how much some people here dislike abrupt shots). That said, there is plenty of camera flipping leading up to it so it feels natural to me at least.

Have we already discussed this reintegration? I don’t remember. If we have I’m sorry for bringing it back up again. I just feel like adding anything to the Mustafar sequence, even if it is only a second long, is worth it.

Sometimes less is more. We all agree Mustafar feels too fast. But adding a blink and you miss it shot to pad the runtime isn’t going to make it feel less rushed, in fact it would do the exact opposite.

Peter Pan said:

Hal 9000 said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Is anybody familiar with moving audio lines to the side while still keeping the music intact? I’m trying to remove Rey grabbing the books in the middle of the Resistance meeting discussing Palpatine’s message for the following reasons:

1. Rey’s lightsaber is seen prominently on her even though she just gave it to Leia.
2. The Jedi texts were left by Rey on a crate, but when she returns to them they are suddenly in the box.
3. A line plays in the background that is contradictory to the original trilogy. It suggests that the galaxy always knew about Palpatine’s Force abilities.

Any help would be appreciated in this endeavor. If we can get this working right I think Hal would be more interested in it.

I don’t doubt it’d be doable, that’s not the issue. The first thing to try would be to edit out the portions of relevant audio from the channels in which it appears, then cover that with stuff from other channels. Sometimes you can get more mileage out of adding audio from multiple other channels to avoid a direct repeat of just one channel.

I am not an expert by any stretch of my imagination, but I would try to find out which music was used for this scene and use it to replace the audio you cut. Especially when it comes to Star Wars there’s no track you can’t find.

Except this scene, where the track is unreleased (there’s actually quite a few tracks you can’t find from TROS).

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Yeah, but I’m not the one who brought that word into the conversation to begin with.

This thread is aging me rapidly.

There’s a difference between the words “explicit” and “implicit.” I’ll leave it at that.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

It is actually explicit in the OT:

“You, my friend, are all that’s left of their religion.” Sure, he’s talking about the Jedi there, but Vader is a Sith and he still talks about him in that way. He’s basically saying he’s the last force user. And Tarkin is a high-ranking individual in the Empire!

Nope. I think you explained yourself why it’s not explicit.

I’ve fixed the audio up a bit: https://youtu.be/vDvO06C6gxk

It’s funny that you call this change abrupt because you could say that about just about everything in this movie. You’re right to a certain extent though, I would prefer to remove her grabbing the book entirely. I’m just not skilled enough to do that unless somebody has some basic footage of the crowd I could slot in there for the beginning of Poe’s line to play first.

This is 100% more abrupt than anything in the movie. You’re right that removing it would work better but it’d still hurt the scene.

Also, it’s just a continuity error. Not worth messing up a scene to fix.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

ThisIsCreation said:

Totally I understand. His cut of not worked really well to fix it but I understand wanting the structure to remain the same.

Thought I’d bring it up here incase anyone wants to give it a shot and fix it with vfx

Who ever said it would have to involve VFX? I just removed the portion of the shot where the lightsaber is visible.

https://youtu.be/FSPREteSKcU

Personally I find this very abrupt and don’t think it works.

Also it’s strange how we hear Merry quietly say in the background of that shot, “There were always whispers of his hunger to cheat death.” Like, what? Why would the galaxy at large ever have reason to believe that? Most of them didn’t even know he was a Sith in the OT.

That’s never explicit in the OT.

Chase Adams said:

The difference is minimal, it’s likely that the ship’s exterior had been stripped whilst it was sitting around in the desert:

Here’s the thing though… you see the ship in TFA once, briefly, and small in the frame. If you remove the flashback bits where they more or less recreate that shot (in that still you showed), I don’t think anyone would ever make the connection.