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#1413350
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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RogueLeader said:

So then maybe what Faraday described might be the best bet? Where Luke makes fire or a red bolt fly back and hit the walker, making it fall below stage. That seems like a simple, easy to convey action. And you wouldn’t have to extend the shot at all I don’t think.

Personally I’m leaning towards

  • Luke simply pops into frame
  • Luke pops out of frame
  • or Luke pops out of frame and back in, possibly with some laser fire missing him

As with Kylo appearing I think having the walker fall might open another can of worms. Luke’s stand was impactful in part because it was nonviolent. Now, yes, the end result here is people picking up arms against the First Order. But I wonder if it might raise some questions. Like, if this had been in TROS as is, would we see it as yet another TLJ retcon? I know, I know, I know. The legend grows and changes and whatnot. But this is my point, this is a lot to ponder and think about for a short shot or two that is not remarked upon.

RogueLeader said:

Should the Luke puppet be made of string and wires, like that Proof of Concept image, or made of the same material as the fire and walker? Right now I’m just planning to replicate that look, but I’m still deciding on Luke’s design.

I would say keep the same design as TLJ for that recognizability, but change the materials so it’s not just the same exact thing.

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#1413316
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Hate to keep harping on the simplicity thing, but I think TLJ is a great example of what I mean, not just because that’s what this is referencing. Johnson scripted that moment out from the start, he didn’t retrofit it like we are doing, and look what he came up with - three walkers, one Jedi. That’s all, nothing crazy. Just exactly what you need to get the point across. Generally the rule of thumb in editing is the less detail you have, the shorter it can be. I think we’ll find that even if you extend the shot, having too much going on will still be a lot to take in.

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#1413271
Topic
Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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That actually could be a really cool addition. I kinda think the idea of “ultimate Sith lightning” is a little silly, but visually it’d be very striking and a subtle way (since it’s never remarked upon) to sort of show that things are a bit different now. Plus symbolically the red vs. blue. It’s over the top but feels Star Wars.

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#1413060
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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BrotherOfSasquatch said:

DominicCobb said:

Alright, I watched the scene again. It goes

  • Shot from the side of the puppet show (this will need VFX too)
  • Wide shot of kids laughing (they could be laughing at anything at this point, could just be the narrator’s description)
  • Shot of the puppet stage (we slot in whatever VFX we come up with)
  • Close up of kid laughing (could very easily just cut this out)
  • Wide shot of kids looking in wonder
  • Rey watching (maybe slot in some cheers here)

So, looking at it, if you cut the close up of the kid laughing, you really don’t need to do anything crazy here. My final suggestion would be you see the walker on one side, and then Luke pops into frame on the other side. Alien says “Skywalker,” or like “Mastah Jedai Skywalker” some shit like that. Nothing too over the top, gets the point across quickly and efficiently.

I think we could even slot in a closer shot of the stage after the kid laughing to have some breathing room for the scene.

Truth be told I don’t think that’s necessary, I would just make the puppet shot a little bit longer than in the film as is. Don’t think you need to provide too much emphasis here, less you get into fan edity feeling territory. I like the idea that this is just a subtle little moment without much fanfare, as if, like “of course this is happening, we don’t need to make a big deal of it.”

sherlockpotter said:

DominicCobb said:

Alright, I watched the scene again. It goes

  • Shot from the side of the puppet show (this will need VFX too)
  • Wide shot of kids laughing (they could be laughing at anything at this point, could just be the narrator’s description)
  • Shot of the puppet stage (we slot in whatever VFX we come up with)
  • Close up of kid laughing (could very easily just cut this out)
  • Wide shot of kids looking in wonder
  • Rey watching (maybe slot in some cheers here)

So, looking at it, if you cut the close up of the kid laughing, you really don’t need to do anything crazy here. My final suggestion would be you see the walker on one side, and then Luke pops into frame on the other side. Alien says “Skywalker,” or like “Mastah Jedai Skywalker” some shit like that. Nothing too over the top, gets the point across quickly and efficiently.

To make it easier on our VFX gods, I don’t think we even need the side shot.

You could cut it pretty easily, but I do think the shot provides a nice bit of geography. There might be other ways to make this easier for the viz wizzes, like maybe just obscuring the area that shows the puppets with something.

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#1413051
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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jarbear said:

Not very techy, at all, as for inserting “Skywalker” in it … is it possible or helpful to remove or voice over him with a “new voice” and says whatever he says, but the “new voice” then uses the “Skywalker” line whenever. I would think that may help it sound more natural than how he sounds and then a random “Skywalker” that doesn’t quite match it?

I wasn’t aware the alternative was even being considered, I don’t think that would work at all. Granted, we will have to check to see the audio channel situation but a full dub would definitely be more seamless.

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#1413040
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Alright, I watched the scene again. It goes

  • Shot from the side of the puppet show (this will need VFX too)
  • Wide shot of kids laughing (they could be laughing at anything at this point, could just be the narrator’s description)
  • Shot of the puppet stage (we slot in whatever VFX we come up with)
  • Close up of kid laughing (could very easily just cut this out)
  • Wide shot of kids looking in wonder
  • Rey watching (maybe slot in some cheers here)

So, looking at it, if you cut the close up of the kid laughing, you really don’t need to do anything crazy here. My final suggestion would be you see the walker on one side, and then Luke pops into frame on the other side. Alien says “Skywalker,” or like “Mastah Jedai Skywalker” some shit like that. Nothing too over the top, gets the point across quickly and efficiently.

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#1413030
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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For me, Luke disappearing is not just about accuracy. It’s about simplicity and clarity of the point we’re trying to get across. Since it’s accurate to the movie, it makes it easier to understand what is happening since we recognize what is depicted, and it would be easier to accomplish.

If people are really worried about the laughing, you could just have the Luke puppet dip below the frame and then pop back in again or something. Arguably you might not even need to have anything happen at all. Just have the puppet bounce around the frame a bit, almost tauntingly. That might actually be the best thing to do regardless.

Not to put too much of a damper on the “walker falling down” concept, but I think visually your first instinct when you see that is you would think they’re recreating TESB, which kinda defeats the purpose we’re going for.

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#1412859
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Re: the puppet idea. If done right it’d be my favorite TROS change in any edit, I’ve wanted it for a long time. Here are my thoughts:

This is a very short moment, so you need something really simplistic to get the idea across during the brief amount of screen time it has. Since this is directly picking up the thread of the kids on Canto Bight replaying Luke’s stand at the end of TLJ, I would suggest making the puppets as similar as possible to what we see in TLJ to get that point across efficiently. To that end, while it is fun to imagine wild scenarios using the puppets, we must remember this is a fan edit. Things would be different if we were JJ designing the scene. All we have is a two second shot.

Honestly you could probably just cut the shot of the kids laughing, but I would say in terms of what’s the simplest thing to do if you want to keep it, just have Luke suddenly drop out of the puppet frame, to show him “disappearing.”

As for how this can be accomplished: I’m no wizard here. But given the shot is so quick, I think you probably could get away with 2D elements. What Cinefy did - with motion and proper comping/color correcting - would honestly look fine.

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#1412627
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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The medal is pretty egregious. I would say it’s more than a decent jump you have to make to get from Leia holding the medal to Han appearing a few scenes later. The dice in TLJ works because you clearly see it is something that belongs to the Falcon, and therefore is Han’s. Obviously if you’re a fan who knows the dice are in ANH, or if you watch after Solo, it works even better, but it still works without that. The medal, we are given no indication that it is specifically Han’s. In ANH we see at least Luke get one as well. If you don’t have a good working memory of ANH (enough to know what a prop from one scene looks like), you won’t recognize it. Even if you do, there’s at least three different steps you have to make in your own mind (with no help from the film itself) to reach the outcome of Han appearing to Ben.

I don’t begrudge anyone wanting to include the shot, especially if you’re still keeping Chewie getting the medal at the end (anything to make that scene better). But this is another case of ‘they cut out all the scenes that explained this.’

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#1409031
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Burbin said:

I don’t think there’s quality loss on my end. Here’s the original source I used from 21C Peasant:

21C Peasant said:

This is my latest update to those shots for anyone interested.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ljyIlZ1PLpPmhSpuPNktDqtBWP2vZ_8O/view?usp=sharing

I’ve done an export in .mov format, hope it works for people having trouble with the .avi
https://www.mediafire.com/file/gl5v2xgt5fwulor/Fortress_.mov/file

Thanks Burbin! I appreciate it. Will see if it works later.

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#1409013
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Regardless, if poppasketti is right, the problem isn’t just that some of our computers can’t play the file. If the file is noisy, I’m curious where that’s coming from, whether it’s the export or the source that Burbin was using. The effects work is great all around so we want to make sure the quality of the file is high if Hal or whoever else is going to use it.

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#1408978
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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poppasketti said:

Burbin said:

Here’s my clip of Vader’s Castle with dimmed lights
http://www.mediafire.com/file/yqc05kidwmuzfkk/Fortress.avi

So I grabbed this file on my mac and used the Scoop! app (formerly iMediaHUD) to get the file info. It’s a windows BMP video file, and it’s 8bit uncompressed with Alpha channel. The bitrate is a whopping 1.5 Gbps. That’s why it won’t play smooth on VLC, MR.

None of my apps other than VLC can even read it, not Adobe or Compressor.

Best option is ffmpeg I think, as sherlockpotter suggested. Below is an H264 mp4 file converted on veryslow and crf11 from ffmpeg. Going frame by frame comparing the two it doesn’t appear that there is any generational loss (the original clip is pretty noisy btw), but there is a slight color shift towards orange in the mp4. The AVI had more pink in it, so you will want to color grade to compensate.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1y8UFY6wObbMnOiCLyA01gyh9hGTPJrwa/view?usp=sharing

Interesting. Sounds like probably the simplest solution would be a new export of the clip with different settings if the editor is willing.

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#1408660
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Burbin said:

Here’s my clip of Vader’s Castle with dimmed lights
http://www.mediafire.com/file/yqc05kidwmuzfkk/Fortress.avi

Anyone here with Premiere having issues trying to use this? Not sure if it’s the avi wrapper or whatever codec was used.

Same goes for Luka Frik’s lightsaber clips. Wonder if Premiere just doesn’t play well with .avi? Anyone know?

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#1408507
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Movies Remastered said:

DominicCobb said:

Movies Remastered said:

I can’t see the difference between a dark/navy blue and purple or blood red and woodland green. It’s a nightmare being a colour blind graphic designer.

Damn, just thought. I’m not sure if my source footage has the Skenera’s LUT added. Once these scenes are done it shouldn’t be an issue to switch them out if I make a mistake. (Be awake 25 hours and counting)

This is what I was wondering. Would definitely be best if you remove any LUT before exports.

Yeah, it’ll try to remember for the next lot of scenes. I’m wondering how the LUT will change this effect.

Just to recap, tone down blue or lighten blue? And reduce the mist in the cave?

Reduce mist yes. The blue is hard to say without seeing the effect on an uncolor corrected shot. To me the shot looks overwhelmingly blue compared to the original, but I don’t know how much of that is added blue glow and how much is potentially the LUT.

Good practice in general is to do the effects on uncolor corrected footage, and then apply the LUT on a layer above both. Things can get weird if you change the order of operations, but also if you’re sharing the work it’s just better for generation loss if everyone applies the LUT on their end.

Hope that all makes sense!

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#1408493
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
Time

Movies Remastered said:

I can’t see the difference between a dark/navy blue and purple or blood red and woodland green. It’s a nightmare being a colour blind graphic designer.

Damn, just thought. I’m not sure if my source footage has the Skenera’s LUT added. Once these scenes are done it shouldn’t be an issue to switch them out if I make a mistake. (Be awake 25 hours and counting)

This is what I was wondering. Would definitely be best if you remove any LUT before exports.

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#1408403
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Looks excellent as usual. Will say the mist is a really nice touch but a bit too obvious, would tone that way down. As well I kind of think the added blue glow is a bit unnecessary, sort of overpowering. But then I’m not sure how much of that is what you’ve changed for this and what you’re doing in general in terms of color correction, as I’ve noticed, color-wise, your clips look a bit different than the film.

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#1408154
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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sherlockpotter said:

Can we add a scene of Ben pulling Vader’s ship out of the water, set to the Yoda Theme?

But actually, I don’t suppose it would be possible to place the model of [whichever ship is chosen] somewhere on the Death Star? It’s not something that ruins anything for me, but it would be a way of addressing a potential plot hole.

You know what I call a “potential” plot hole? Not a plot hole.