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#1495704
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OLD BEN: An Obi-Wan Kenobi Fan Edit [ON HOLD]
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NFB, I’m really impressed with your creativity, and a lot of this works really well.

Having Ben leave Tatooine is a really bold idea. But having him loop back into helping Leia is tricky for sure. One of those things that could have worked if it was written that way, but proves an issue through fan editing. I’m still not sure the leap from Ben on his own to helping Leia is quite working.

Here’s an idea I had though. Since you have Ben on Tatooine as a little prologue by itself, and you’re already jumping perspective after the title card, what if you took it further? What if after the title card, you let the Leia storyline play out up until her capture. Then we cut to Kenobi on the ring world, and he senses her kidnapping? That way it doesn’t feel as if Ben has his vision straight after leaving, like in your last version, and he doesn’t have the coincidence of being on Daiyu already like in the new version. And we don’t have the somewhat random cutting back and forth between storylines of the original show.

Speaking of shifting perspectives, I’m not sure the Vader stuff is working for me yet. I really like how you cut that first scene with him, but it feels like a non sequitur with the surrounding scenes, especially because there’s no dialogue in it. I wonder if you could include the Reva hologram and try to incorporate it into that part of the story? With Vader masked and Reva’s back to the camera in a few shots, there’s some room to play with dialogue replacement to make the scene fit. The later scene of Vader is a fun reuse of that scene, although I wonder if it raises the question of why isn’t he on Daiyu?

Also, love the way you’ve descored things, gives a very different feel. Your use of new music works well too (love bringing back the Fallen Order Inquistor theme), although I’d be careful about using music with themes that don’t match what’s on screen, for example, the scene of Ben digging up the sabers and Luke sleeping, while the music fits, I just know straight away that that’s the Guardians of the Whills theme.

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#1494824
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Spence's Obi-Wan Kenobi (V3 Released)
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Broom Kid said:

I appreciate that, but my concern is mainly that I won’t 100% sell it and it’ll feel too “fanedity”

I get that, and again - that’s a thing 99% of all fan-editors DON’T do, so that your concern is there is why your edits work as well as they do, and I wish more (WAY more) folks were willing to apply that level of discernment. But as someone who looks at these things with that eye (and ear) I think you HAVE cleared that bar in this instance.

Having done the process of completely redoing SFX a few times, I don’t blame Spence for ditching this idea at all.

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#1494429
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Spence's Obi-Wan Kenobi (V3 Released)
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Octorox said:

krausfadr said:
One thing I never needed was a CW version of Star Wars where baby Leia remarks to a bizarre acting Santa Claus Bail Organa that she’s not a real Organa. I wish I could unsee that.

Right, because god forbid Bail Organa show any fatherly affection or Leia struggle at all with being an adoptee. That might be too relatable for kids.

Look, everyone has different opinions but I thought young Leia was one of the best parts of this series. I’m totally willing to put aside my pre-existing knowledge and watch an edit as it’s own thing, but if it feels like some of the cuts rob the of warmth or character that’s needed for the story to hang together as well as it can, I’m gonna point it out. Spence’s goal with this edit was to trim the series (which was conceived as a movie originally) into something that feels brisk and watchable at under 2h30m. Nowhere did he say anything about cutting Leia scenes because they were “cringe”, which is what you’re implying.

I find that fan edits play like highlight reels and just cut out all the stuff the editor didn’t like regardless of narrative cohesion to be mostly boring and soulless. Sure, it makes sense to cut around things that break the audience’s suspension of disbelief or hurt the story being told, but it requires a careful hand that I find not all fan editors have. I respect Spence a lot as an editor and I give him feedback because I know he’s not one of those people.

Well said.

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#1493454
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Obi-Wan Kenobi Redux Ideas Thread
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Hal 9000 said:

To anyone who removes Bail showing up in person on Tatooine, instead going right from their holo-call to Kenobi digging up the sabers, I have a question: How do you suppose he knew which planet to go to?

I’m not doing it but you could probably drop the audio of Bail saying they’re heading to Daiyu in the holo call with a little sound effect on it to match.

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#1493120
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Spence's Obi-Wan Kenobi (V3 Released)
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Watched the first version last night and it looks pretty good, works very well overall.

Seems my narrative hangups have all been called out already and being worked on. The one thing I will mention is just to double check the levels on the added music, some sounded a little loud (but not by a lot). I also think you need a bit more SFX in the rescored scene with Vader on the Star Destroyer and he walks down the bridge and says “Increase fire power” (specifically some ambiance, and footsteps). Let me know if you need help sourcing some sounds for that I might be able to help.

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#1492710
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Obi-Wan Kenobi by DominicCobb
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Thanks for the encouragement everyone!

Hal 9000 said:

Single movie format?

Two-part TV movie ala 1990’s “It”?

If the former, you’d have to cut a fit bit to include the Lars and Reva stuff at the end.

Single movie. Current runtime is sitting around 142 minutes, though that fluctuates every time I work on it. I have a solution for trimming the Reva/Luke stuff I’m surprised I haven’t seen anyone else land on. Might be the first clip I share once I get it to a clean spot.

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#1492521
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Obi-Wan Kenobi by DominicCobb
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I don’t have anything to share, and I don’t work as fast as many people here, but figured I’d reserve a space for this sooner than later. This is a feature length edit, and, if you’re familiar with my ROTS edit, you can expect a similar approach in terms of a more saturated color grade, film grain, and classic SW music cues.

Primarily this edit will be for people who actually like Reva and are a little tired of the incredibly questionable level of vitriolic hatred fans have for her. Personally I think having Vader kill her off is a terrible, terrible idea, so if you agree, this edit will be for you.

Anyone else on my wavelength, happy to hear thoughts or suggestions (I’ve already got an edit timeline laid out that accomplishes this, but hardly fully settled on anything yet). Otherwise, I’ll probably have stuff to share later (either a few days or a few weeks, who’s to say?).

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#1492519
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OLD BEN: An Obi-Wan Kenobi Fan Edit [ON HOLD]
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Miche said:

NFBisms said:

I like Reva though! I’m actually trying to find a way to include her a bit more as this goes on without it feeling out of left field for who’s mostly been a background player

Why do you like the character? Also, out of curiosity why shift the focus onto a secondary role. I personally found her as stuck up, ill headed, guetto stereotypical want to be baddy. Not sure why anyone would want to include even more screen time.

Assuming “guetto” is a typo for what I think it is, kindly fuck off from this site. We don’t need your kind here.

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#1489324
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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Artan42 said:

DominicCobb said:

Artan42 said:

KumoNin said:

I don’t remember which animated show it was, but I remember him calling some other Darth “Darth” as well

He’s only met Maul, Dooku, and Vader and he calls them by their names.

Wrong, he calls Vader Darth.

There is no ‘twist’ in ESB. It’s no longer 1980 and there’s children just born that already know. Besides episode III is set first so anybody watching will already know who Vader is.

Thanks for letting us know that we should just ignore everything you’re saying.

Oh look, you don’t know how to draw context from previous posts. Let me spell it out so you don’t get even more confused. His calling Vader ‘Darth’ in ANH is an example of early instalment weirdness that needs to be special editioned to fix it and allow it to match developments made since the release of ANH.

Fell free to ignore it, nobody is forcing you to reply to it. If you want to pretend you have to watch ESB before RotS go for it, nobody watching the series on Disney+ or their box sets will be doing that though.

Telion said:

DominicCobb said:

Artan42 said:

There is no ‘twist’ in ESB. It’s no longer 1980 and there’s children just born that already know. Besides episode III is set first so anybody watching will already know who Vader is.

Thanks for letting us know that we should just ignore everything you’re saying.

Arntan you aren’t wrong. In the world of social media we live in today future generation will likely know from a very early age that Vader is Luke’s father. It’s something that people know even when they have never seen Star Wars.
However…
“SPOILERS”
Should Lord of the Rings star with a disclamer saying that Frodo go to Middle Earth heaven at the end of RotK?
What would be the point in watching sixth sence if the movie said Bruce Willi was a ghost in the first line?

Yes, you may already know the plot twist is coming and what it is. But hey, you still watch the movie anticipating the at moment.
Your ideas aren’t to be ignored, but this edit does have very clear goals, and the secret of Luke’s father remaining intact is one of them. And he has already said its staying ‘Darth’ which is fair enough any, way you look at it because he has a lot to do, two whole edits do.

TLDR: Just because people know the twist, doesn’t mean its meaningless. I’d suggest reading the first page of this edit before making suggestsions because they have value, just maybe not suited to this edit.

Does ESB start with a disclaimer that Vader is Luke’s father? No, so why would LoTR? Frodo leaving ME in the context of the films isn’t something previously revealed (it is in the books but they’re a separate medium) nor is it in the Hobbit films so it’s not even comparable. That would be an instance of spoiling something that happens in the end of those films, RotS comes before ESB so there is no spoiling going on.
The ‘twist’ is as meaningful as the identity of the Emperor being Palpatine in TPM and there’s been no attempt made to hide that.

I’m well aware of the goals of this project and Adywan seldom takes suggestions which is why this isn’t a suggestion, it’s commentary on the concept in general highlighted by an edit that fixes the clunkyness of the visuals of ANH without fixing the clunkness of the dialogue. I’m under no illusions that it’d be considered so I don’t consider it ignored.

Take the L and move on. It’s embarrassing at this point.

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#1489230
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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Artan42 said:

KumoNin said:

I don’t remember which animated show it was, but I remember him calling some other Darth “Darth” as well

He’s only met Maul, Dooku, and Vader and he calls them by their names.

Wrong, he calls Vader Darth.

There is no ‘twist’ in ESB. It’s no longer 1980 and there’s children just born that already know. Besides episode III is set first so anybody watching will already know who Vader is.

Thanks for letting us know that we should just ignore everything you’re saying.

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#1488970
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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Artan42 said:

RogueLeader said:

marioxb said:

adywan said:

OK, Here is the sneak peek at the new ANH:R HD edit of the Obi-Wan/ Vader duel.
The editing in the HD version differs slightly from the SD version . In the final version there will be two audio tracks: The main 5.1 track will be the music less versions, while track 2 will have the added music as seen in the original SD version of ANH:R

https://youtu.be/HHmlOcakOPs

Looks great! I just can’t help but think that, knowing what we now know, I don’t think Obi Wan would call him “Darth”, would he? I think Anakin or Vader would be better. Maybe both?

Try to imagine a scene where a younger Obi-Wan is confronting Count Dooku and says, “You can’t win, Count.” It feels like a perfectly natural line that he would say, in my opinion. So with that in mind, I think you can easily interpret it as Obi-Wan just calling him by his Sith title. In the past a lot of people have suggested Obi-Wan says it mockingly. Of course, all of this is a retroactive interpretation, but I think it works enough that it doesn’t warrant changing it.

Anyway, great work Ady!

Dooku is almost exclusively addressed as Dooku by Kenobi not Count (though that’s not really the point) and Count can and has been used as a singular address. Darth is however never used as a singular address by any character for any Sith. It doesn’t sound mocking, it’s phrased casually as if Kenobi is using it as a name which doesn’t fit how Kenobi addresses Vader before or since and people in general (he uses names not titles for basically everyone except the Emperor).

Sounds like grasping at straws to justify a complaint one person had years ago when they weren’t paying attention and everyone since is parroting without thinking it through. Just like Ben “forgetting” R2 even though he never says he doesn’t know him, just that he doesn’t remember owning a droid.

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#1486052
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Dom's <s>Useless</s> Revenge of the Sith Edit (Released) Now with V2
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Thanks to everyone so far who has watched the edit, and for those who have left reviews on FE.org!

With the release of Obi-Wan Kenobi, when’s a better time to check out an ROTS fan edit? Here’s some before and after frame comparisons to get you in the spirit.

https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/24168
https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/24172
https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/24173
https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/24174
https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/24175
https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/24176

Showcasing my new color grade and film grain, here’s my shot at turning a very digital and often dull looking movie into something a bit more colorful and filmic (and somewhat OT inspired, as you’ll see in the star destroyer pic).

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#1483412
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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I added the blue tint for a few reasons, mainly so the shot matched better with the Exegol ones and didn’t feel so visually jarring. Whether the implication is it’s supposed to actually be Exegol, I think it’s open to interpretation. Also I see it as sort of an obscured version of a future event, we can’t quite tell where exactly that moment is going to happen, so you’re not giving away the transport scene too early.

Anyway, with the yellow, I think you could make a reasonable argument either way whether it should be in the vision or not. But it would sort of clash with the massive lightning blast so I’d probably be against it.

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#1483274
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The Final Order - A no Leia/Rey Nobody TROS edit by Spence (Completed)
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SpenceEdit said:

I’m testing out an idea, this is very rough.

Basically, I wanted to try and establish that something is up with Leia before her actual death scene so it doesn’t come out of nowhere. I don’t know that this is a change I NEED to do, but I think it might help with the choppiness at the beginning of the edit.

Here’s a test clip of the concept:

https://vimeo.com/707256580

Obviously I’d have to tidy up the audio transition and add ambient sound, but do you think this is worth pursuing?

Hmm, wonder if this would just make it more choppy. Wonder if Rey does the training up until the moment she has her vision, then we cut to this beat of Leia stumbling, then Kylo on the destroyer, Leia saying Ben and then dying, and finally then Rey crying? So instead of cutting back and forth more, we consolidate and have a longer death scene.