Also, I’m not sure if I’ll end up releasing this regrade as the actual film (though I might), but rather just upload the LUTs and allow people to add it to the BD themselves. Again though, I may very well end up deciding to upload it to MEGA or something.
If I release it, it will have a 2.1 mono track along with the 5.1 remix from the BD.
^Thanks for the feedback. Do you like my latest? Like, do any of the shots seem off to you? I was actually really relieved when I finished my last attempt because I think it’s looking really good now, and best of all, it’s looking very similar to the 35mm references in those photos.
And speaking of T2, I think I’ll eventually get around to regrading that as well, because the BD colors are way too neutral IMO on that one. T2 wasn’t '80s, and as far as I know it had a lot more blue than cyan, where T1 had more cyan blues.
Also, I’m not sure if I’ll end up releasing this regrade as the actual film (though I might), but rather just upload the LUTs and allow people to add it to the BD themselves. Again though, I may very well end up deciding to upload it to MEGA or something.
I’ve been doing some tweaking, and I think it’s looking a lot better. The flames and such look more natural. The phone booth shot is also looking much nicer I think, though I might just be used to it because I’ve been staring at it so much 😛.
Here are 30 frames of my regrade in its current state:
^Thanks for the input! I didn’t include any shots with flames or red/orange hues because none were included on blu-ray.com and I was using those screenshots for my tests. I have collected several more shots to upload, including shots with flames, and I’ll put those up later (I’m not on the computer with my stuff on it right now).
I can say that flames are very much yellow, which I was a little worried about, but I can’t seem to figure out a good way to bring back some natural reds without making the skin tones sun-burnt again.
Also, the currently uploaded screenshot comparisons are now outdated, as I have reduced the magenta in the blues and cyans to account for the overly full blues that it had, and also the general blue feel that everything had. It looks closer to the 35mm now.
I think a great way to figure some things out would be to color match to the low resolution 35mm frames with Dre’s tool, and then turn the contrast back to the way it was so that I can edit the contrast properly myself, but I’m not sure how to do that.
That daytime shot is rather weird and I don’t know why. It’s weird on the BD as it is even, but it’s less noticeable with the lower contrast. I think it’ll look better in motion anyway, but I’m still curious what’s up with the shot.
This is a color/contrast correction project that aims to recreate the closest approximation yet (within reason) of the original theatrical color timing of The Terminator (1984). This started as a personal project that didn’t have any aim other than making the film look nicer, and I posted it here for feedback/interest. After having some more faith in the 35mm reference photos available and extra tweaking, I ended up deciding to try and go all the way.
Again, this is meant to be accurate within reason. There are few proper references available for the color timing found on a 1984 film print projected in theaters, so this is undoubtedly off a little bit.
Special thanks to:
kaosjm for info on a 35mm screening.
DragoonClawNZ for 35mm frame scans.
UPDATE: 23 APRIL 2018
The new regrade is now available as a 29.2 GB MKV on MEGA. Included with it is the original mono in 2.1 DTS-HD MA and the Blu-ray 5.1 DTS.
Screenshots: http://imgbox.com/g/bf69eEDm1K
The single pass LUT for this regrade can be found here. (NOTE: the new regrade uses selective color adjustments in some scenes, and this LUT of course does not give you those adjustments)
UPDATE: 21 JANUARY 2018
This regrade is now available as an MKV file on MEGA.
Media Info:
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UPDATE: 2 JANUARY 2018
Once again I’ve changed the grade to something I feel is improved over the last incarnation. This time I’ve reintroduced the rich natural reds that my previous grades lacked, as well as some smaller tweaks.
The current LUT for the BD can be found here.
A gallery with 42 frames with the current regrade applied can be found here
UPDATE: 20 JULY 2017
I tweaked a few things from the previous update. I think the majority of the film looks slightly better now, though I still can’t figure out how to get the skin tones perfect without flames becoming just slightly too yellow. It’s not too bad, but it still bothers me just a little. Anyway, check out this version if you’d like.
The current LUT for the BD can be found here.
A gallery with 41 frames with the current regrade applied can be found here.
UPDATE: 14 JULY 2017
After a couple months of trying to figure out a good way to improve upon this regrade, I’ve finally gotten to a point I’m happy with, though there will always be room for improvement as long as we don’t have a 35mm print scan available to watch. Again, I now think this is may be even closer to the theatrical look, though I really can’t be certain if/how much it’s more accurate than my previous attempt.
For anyone who is still interested in this regrade project, especially anyone who has already used the previous version, please check out this updated version and see if you like it. Feedback is always appreciated!
The current LUT for the BD can be found here.
A gallery of 41 frames with the current regrade applied can be found here.
UPDATE: 2 MAY 2017
The LUT for the BD is here.
At this point I consider the project complete until new info or sources appear, and I believe it to be the closest we have ever gotten to the theatrical color timing. It will be uploaded for release within the next week (hopefully).
Special thanks to kaosjm for info on a 35mm screening.
Gallery of 40 frames with the current regrade applied:
https://goo.gl/photos/3tCn8MqNob9kFDiR7
Original First Post
I’ve been working on a personal single pass color and contrast correction of The Terminator, and I think I’ve just about finalized it. I thought I’d like some feedback from people on here and maybe even share my LUTs with the community if people like it, so I decided to make a thread.
I used the screenshots off of blu-ray.com and kk650’s release for my tests:
BD compared to My Regrade:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/203346
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/203347
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/203349
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/203350
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/203351Now, this isn’t meant to be theatrically accurate, but it should have contrast somewhat accurate to a film print scan (I used the available releases of Raiders and Jurassic Park prints as contrast references). Regarding color, I just went off of what I thought looked right for the most part, but I did use some references to determine some things that could be true about the original color timing.
I believe these images show a good approximation of what the original colors consisted of. Skin tones are generally more golden hued or naturally neutral, rather than the nearly sunburnt-red skin tones found in many home video releases of films. Cyan and blue is very abundant.
In my correction, you may notice that most blues are more blue than in the 35mm frames, where most blues are very cyan, pushing on teal. I just liked having more full blues, not to mention that everything still looks rather cyan all around with mostly less teal push. I may have done this originally just because I wanted to try and eliminate the overall yellow/teal push on the BD, because I’m almost certain that it wouldn’t have existed to that extent in the original timing. I do think I might re-adjust it to bring back a little more cyan into the blues.
EDIT: I updated the screenshot comparison links.
The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension (1984) – ★★1/2 [Ebert scale]
It’s kind of fun and interesting, but it’s really a waste considering how great it could have been. It’s very underwhelming and it kind of sucked the life out of me by the time I got to the end credits (probably the best scene in the film). It feels like it might have been under-budgeted in production, and an extensive piece of the budget would have needed to be centered on the post production visual effects, so that would explain the smaller aspects that should have been bigger or better lit.
My biggest gripe with the film is that they introduced an incredible cast of characters, but those characters are wasted by being severely underdeveloped. I went through the entire film being given exposition on Buckaroo’s character, but I never really meet Buckaroo’s character in the film. I’m given little things that could be used to create character development, but then the next scene starts without warning and I don’t know what’s going on.
It’s worth a watch, but it really could have been great if it was given a re-write, a higher budget, and maybe even a better director.
Oceans Twelve (2004) – ★★ [Ebert scale]
Petty meh. I like a lot of the cinematography, but Ocean’s Eleven definitely didn’t need this sequel, and it’s rather bland and even hard to follow at times. And the hologram egg is stupid.
EDIT: I will specify the rating scale being used from now on.
So, was this a shot by shot correction, or was it doable in a single pass? (I’m assuming the former.)
I was unfortunately introduced to the original Doctor Who with The Ribos Operation, which I found rather boring, but I luckily decided to watch The Ark in Space afterwards and I was hooked. Tom Baker is definitely my favourite incarnation of the character.
Bee Movie (2007) – ★★★
It’s not a perfect comedy, but it’s very entertaining. Some might see it as simply dumb, but you have to realize that the overall joke is just how exaggerated and ridiculous everything is.
Zootopia wasn’t Pixar. Just a Disney animation.
He’ll probably be getting to that after he’s done cleaning up cat shit
The cat is dead, as is the joke.
I don’t think Bernie bros necessarily lost the election for her, but they didn’t help. The Hitlerly is the devil sort of rhetoric they pushed really demonized her for a lot of people. I mean, yeah she’s not great, yeah she’s a two faced politician, but people got too caught up on that narrative and failed to see how much worse the alternative was.
I don’t think anyone needs chaos on this scale. What is happening to the country now is abhorrent. Just because the DNC slipped too far into the status quo doesn’t mean they, or any of the millions of Americans being affected, deserve what is happening now.
What exactly is happening now? What “abhorrent” things are going on because of the Trump administration? I must have missed it whatever it is. I mean, If you don’t like him or what he’s doing, that’s fine, but I don’t have any recollection of some mass suffering that began to occur in America after Trump’s first couple weeks in office.
I guess you aren’t a Muslim who lives here and couldn’t get back in.
I don’t agree with the extent of the immigration ban.
Or a Mexican mother separated from her children.
If a person is an illegal alien, that’s a fault their own (or their parents). I don’t understand why they wouldn’t (or wouldn’t be able to) take their families with them when being deported.
Or a Mexican woman with a brain tumor kicked out of the country. Or an Indian man shot and killed just because he was in this country working for Garmin.
Neither Trump, nor his administration as president, ever told the American public to commit crimes of violence based on racial prejudice. These are terrible people who have always been here.
Or a trans student who can’t use the correct bathroom anymore.
If this is about “gender identity,” then good.
There’s also this.
I really don’t have much to say about that, but I don’t think it’s strictly Trump’s fault. It is probably more so the liberals and the media who cried “Racism!” and “Sexism!” at everything Trump did who normalized this idea of hatred for the public. Probably an unpopular opinion, and I’m also not trying to defend Trump as a person, but I think that is probably a big factor in it.
I don’t think Bernie bros necessarily lost the election for her, but they didn’t help. The Hitlerly is the devil sort of rhetoric they pushed really demonized her for a lot of people. I mean, yeah she’s not great, yeah she’s a two faced politician, but people got too caught up on that narrative and failed to see how much worse the alternative was.
I don’t think anyone needs chaos on this scale. What is happening to the country now is abhorrent. Just because the DNC slipped too far into the status quo doesn’t mean they, or any of the millions of Americans being affected, deserve what is happening now.
What exactly is happening now? What “abhorrent” things are going on because of the Trump administration? I must have missed it whatever it is. I mean, If you don’t like him or what he’s doing, that’s fine, but I don’t have any recollection of some mass suffering that began to occur in America after Trump’s first couple weeks in office.
HEMISPHERES – RUSH
A FAREWELL TO KINGS – RUSH
SANTANA III – SANTANA
The Truman Show (1998) – ★★★★
Fantastic!
Leathal Weapon (1987) – ★★★1/2
Very fun.
I might watch 2, but I’m skeptical if I’d be willing to spend time on more than that, just from my own expectations being that a series like that probably ran out of steam after a sequel. Would anyone recommend the sequels, or are they not worth it?
Barton Fink (1991) – ★★★1/2
A fun and interesting watch.
Spider-Man 2 has a cliffhanger?
Doctor Octopus may or may not have drowned.
No. Harry finds his father’s arsenal when he throws the knife into the mirror. I don’t consider Spider-Man 3 personal canon. It’s not that big of a cliffhanger, but I’ve always found it interesting to think about.
I’m sure almost everyone loves a good, well written cliffhanger ending to keep them at the edge of their seat through the end credits. What are your favorites?
Try to stay away from cliffhangers that are followed up in sequels, but if the follow-up either isn’t what you consider personal canon, or negates continuity from the original cliffhanger, that’s fine.
The Italian Job (1969)
Evil Dead II (1987)
Rhinoceros (1974)
Army of Darkness (1992) – Original Ending
Spider-Man 2 (2004)
It was sort of a random thought, so I thought I’d post here. I’ll do it and see if it has any legs.
A “Favorite Cliffhanger Endings in Film” thread?
My favorite thing about Charles Barkley is that his last name is similar to that of the fictional character Reginald Barclay.
I’m glad someone’s standing up to it. The one thing I’m not agreeing with.
