Dek Rollins

I for one actually like Willie Scott as a character (seems to be perfect for this thread). It would be dumb if Temple of Doom got “Marion 2.0” instead of a unique character.

Temple of Doom definitely gets an unfair and disproportionate amount of hate. I also kind of like Last Crusade’s parallels to Raiders? I guess it bookends the series nicely that way.

StarkillerAG said:

Dek Rollins said:

ChainsawAsh said:

The CGI replacements have aged worse than the original shots.

This. Not to mention that the compositional changes and editing changes are worse for many of the shot replacements.

Take the opening approach past the planet for example. They changed two distinct shots into a single moving shot where the order of the angles is reversed. That shot replacement is not only worse compositionally and ill-fitting to the visual style of the film, but it also changes the editing of the sequence and ignores the timed musical cue.

Another good example is the “lock s-foils” approaching shot. In the original shot, the x-wings are in a formation, and the imagery is striking. In the SE shot, the x-wings don’t appear to be in any sort of formation, and the altered composition and movement makes the shot far less visually striking.

I think you’re looking into it too much. The shots do lose a tiny bit of compositional appeal, but that was done in service of greater realism and more dynamic motion. It’s not a game-breaker to my eyes.

I’m not looking into anything too much. I’m looking at precisely what is visible on screen and determining that the CGI replacements are artistically inferior to the original shots.

BedeHistory731 said:

Admittedly, the CGI models needed […] motion that fit with ROTJ-period effects,

Um… why not have motion that fit with Star Wars-period effects? ROTJ wasn’t shot like SW.

Because the effects in the original movie, to be perfectly frank, weren’t as good as the other two. Back then, they only had the technology to show spaceships moving in straight lines, and big battle scenes like the Yavin battle looked kind of iffy because of it. The new effects of the ANH-SE space scenes really help bring that movie more in line with the dynamic motion of the other two movies.

Star Wars was not shot like the other two movies.

ChainsawAsh said:

The CGI replacements have aged worse than the original shots.

This. Not to mention that the compositional changes and editing changes are worse for many of the shot replacements.

Take the opening approach past the planet for example. They changed two distinct shots into a single moving shot where the order of the angles is reversed. That shot replacement is not only worse compositionally and ill-fitting to the visual style of the film, but it also changes the editing of the sequence and ignores the timed musical cue.

Another good example is the “lock s-foils” approaching shot. In the original shot, the x-wings are in a formation, and the imagery is striking. In the SE shot, the x-wings don’t appear to be in any sort of formation, and the altered composition and movement makes the shot far less visually striking.

BedeHistory731 said:

Admittedly, the CGI models needed […] motion that fit with ROTJ-period effects,

Um… why not have motion that fit with Star Wars-period effects? ROTJ wasn’t shot like SW.

StarkillerAG said:

And the SE Yavin battle is indisputably better purely because of the increased dynamic motion.

No. The “increased dynamic motion” only serves to make the CGI shots stick out like a sore thumb. They don’t match the visual style of the original footage. The SE battle is not “indisputably” better.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/entertainment-arts-54761824

RIP Sean Connery. I’m so sad right now.

I must be missing something because I don’t see any women in that photo.

Nilbog said:

I guess unless we personally scan the original negatives, we’ll never know how the movie actually looks.

Keep in mind that the original camera negatives don’t hold any color timing. Those have all the information captured by the camera on set, and would most likely vary in color based on film stock differences between different parts of production. If I remember correctly, color timing is first applied to the interpositve (a positive copy of the finished negative). I believe color separation masters are also color timed.

Logically, the original look of the film can be determined by comparing multiple unfaded and/or low fade theatrical prints. Comparing an unfaded interpositive with the theatrical prints would make the situation better as well. The original negative shouldn’t really factor in when it comes to finding the original color and look of the film.

If I may ask one last question: is 4K83 for all intents and purposes a finished product or are there future updates expected? My understanding is Harmy 3.0 will be the final version of Despecialized and 4K77 is also being updated to 2.0 in the future.

What they said.

I don’t think there are any updates to 4K83 being planned right now, but you can never say something like this is truly finished.

People hate Michael Bay’s Transformers movies because they’re really, really bad. They’re bad movies. They are crimes against humanity (this is a hyperbolic figurative statement of course). The Bayformers franchise wears the fact that its only concern is making buttloads of money on it’s sleeve. Honestly the first one is the only one that even remotely seems like an “okay” movie, but even that’s bad.

I want to mention that 1.4 is similar to relatively unfaded Eastman reel scans regarding color. I hadn’t initially used those as references (the LPP scan was my primary reference, correcting for the excessive blue tint), but when I remembered that those existed I checked my work against them and it’s in the ballpark. Of course that isn’t to say the accuracy of my correction for 1.4 couldn’t be improved in the future, just that I’m confident in the general accuracy of the 1.4 release.

1.6 feels darker and less colorful than any of the film references I’ve seen. It still looks good, but I have reservations about its accuracy, and it’s definitely a bit drab. It’s more accurate than 1.3 though, and I would recommend either 1.4 or 1.6 over that, for multiple reasons (color problems, less refined DNR process). Unless inconsistent black levels are a deal breaker, 1.4 or 1.6 would be the way to go in my opinion.

I really dislike the magenta look of the THX masters. The 1990 ones look much better to my eyes.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Ignore-troponin-subdural-supportive-real-athyreosis-elderly-/id/79650

https://originaltrilogy.com/user/Emma64411/id/59998

timbox2.0, check your PMs.

For the benefit of the thread, I’ll mention here that the synced audio available on MySpleen is AAC. Only the raw PCM capture is lossless. Maybe someone can re-sync the capture and release it in PCM.

I’m on it. Uploading right now.

https://originaltrilogy.com/announcement/New-forum-software-status-updated-1-4-2006/id/3442/page/10#1380604

Spam bumping an announcement thread from 2006. :p

Lando’s cape is top tier fashion. He owns it too.

I’m just gonna keep on enjoying Empire without wincing at anything but Luke’s severed hand.

Added:

5th printing (1989). I was recently reminded that I didn’t own a copy, so I fixed that. Would like to get the “Absolute” edition some time for the extra content.

RIP Eddie Van Halen.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/eddie-van-halen-dead-200051/

DuracellEnergizer said:

I’t’s abhorrent; it’s amazing. I’m glad I read it; I’m glad I’ll never have to read it again.

Lol.

It’s definitely bizarre seeing LuckyGungan’s post about what a nice place this site was/is followed immediately by the Navy Seal copypasta.

As for whether the color on 4K77 v1.0 is accurate to the technicolor print used, is kind of and kind of not as far as I’m aware. I think it’s mostly accurate, though I recall discussion around reel 1 having improperly balanced color because of an error. All that was done to the scan for v1.0 to my knowledge (aside from a contrast adjustment) is being white balanced using the soundtrack on the film.

The new color correction being used for the in progress v2.0 release seems to capture well balanced and still very accurate color.

Handman said:

Phantom Menace is the best prequel. It’s the closest to an actual movie.

This.

And ROTS is the absolute worst of the prequels.

clem said:

Does there exist a DNR version of v1.4? Sorry if this is a dumb question, I’ve only just discovered this project and am trying to get up to speed. My understanding is that the difference between v1.0 and v1.4 is that v1.4 features color correction. But I can only find a no DNR version of v1.4 and personally it would be nice to have the color correction but with DNR too. Or are these processes contradictory with each other?

Edit: Forgot I’m on Spleen so I checked and it’s not there so I assume it must not exist. Are there plans for it?

There was only one DNR release, but a new edition of 4K77 has been in the works (v2.0) that will have a new color correction with both noDNR and DNR versions. Don’t expect that for a while yet though, they’re pretty busy.

Spuffure said:

Rich Evans is also quite good.

FTFY

Having not seen either the film or the series, my instinct tells me that I’d like the movie from 1982 made by Jim Henson himself more than a modern Netflix series.