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#1310975
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Dragon Ball Series Preservation
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Superrayman3 said:

and the fact that the cropping for the 4:3 framing is complete overkill

I think only the very first episode of the series has the extreme cropping issue, so not a real issue since they’ll have the level set for that.

and it’s a waste of time, even if one could make it look better it’d just be a stop-gap measure at best, you’d be better off working on deinterlacing the DBOX footage (assuming it needs to be deinterlaced) and working from there.

But yeah CCing the DBOX (are there any original Japanese broadcast rips that are good for color reference?) would be the best chance at having a decent copy of the series.

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#1310453
Topic
Last movie seen
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I should watch Last Temptation a second time. I’ve said here before that I wasn’t a big fan of it, primarily because I didn’t feel the “temptations” were portrayed very well. A lot of it felt like Satan was simply tricking Jesus into believing something until something ends up telling him that it’s a trick. I actually really like a lot of stuff in it though, like how Jesus’ relationship with Judas was fictionalized, along with the eventual betrayal. And I’m also a Christian for the record. Maybe if I watch it again I’ll see more nuance in his struggles.

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#1309110
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All Things Star Trek
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His explanation of the use of the weapon makes sense on paper, but that doesn’t make it practical. “Still looks cumbersome” is an apt description. Even in a choreographed fight it looks cumbersome. I don’t remember a single fight scene in the series’ where the elegant versatility he describes was actually put into practice.

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#1308944
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All Things Star Trek
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DuracellEnergizer said:

Dek Rollins said:

Not just Klingon culture though, in particular Worf as a character became worse the longer he existed. At the start of TNG, Worf claims that Klingon culture is completely alien to him, having been raised by humans. I’m not sure how early it started, but at some point the writers decided to make it Worf’s one goal in life to be the most Klingon a Klingon could be. This caused more and more episodes to be fully dedicated to developing Worf’s Klingon ancestry.

I recall Worf being in “I am Klingon, hear me roar!” mode right from the get-go. This was greatly disappointing to me, 'cause there was plenty of opportunity to explore the “nature vs. nurture” debate with the character, and it all went to waste.

The episode I was referring to is “Hide and Q” which is episode 9 of season 1. Worf is granted a Klingon bride by the power of Q, and Worf objects, stating that he has nothing in common with the woman I believe.

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#1308865
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All Things Star Trek
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DuracellEnergizer said:

I personally hate how Klingons were depicted TNG+. Buncha unbathed Space Vikings so pathologically stupid that it breaks suspension of disbelief that these morons ever managed to evolve beyond the Stone Age, let alone develop FTL travel and build an interstellar empire.

This is the correct opinion. I wish they stayed like they were in the movies. The Undiscovered Country even showed an intellectual side of the Klingon people that I don’t think was ever explored in any of the TV series afterwards.

Not just Klingon culture though, in particular Worf as a character became worse the longer he existed. At the start of TNG, Worf claims that Klingon culture is completely alien to him, having been raised by humans. I’m not sure how early it started, but at some point the writers decided to make it Worf’s one goal in life to be the most Klingon a Klingon could be. This caused more and more episodes to be fully dedicated to developing Worf’s Klingon ancestry.

Also the bat’leth is stupid. It’s one of the most impractical weapons I’ve ever seen. The knife from The Search For Spock is a much better melee weapon for Klingon warriors.

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#1308470
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All Things Star Trek
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Those are great points. I’d be putting everything in chronological (production) order, just for clarification. I hope my friend will be willing to watch eight episodes because I really think it’s important to get a full picture of the characters and their history for the movies to have a great importance to the viewer.

For sticking to a solid five episodes, I think your choices are great. And even then, long-time fans such as us most likely weren’t introduced to the series with nearly this much attention to detail, so as long as a few good shows are picked, new viewers should be in good hands. Even something like “The Changeling” wouldn’t be a bad choice, though not as action packed as other episodes. Or heck, comedic shows like “I, Mudd” and “Shore Leave” would be good for people with a taste for corny fun. I think the best episodes would sometimes depend on the person being introduced.

Oh, I also forgot to mention that I really wanted to put “Where No Man Has Gone Before” on the list, as in my mind it’s one of the episodes that best personifies the series as a whole (which it was supposed to do, being a pilot after all). The only problem is that the full cast wasn’t in place, and so you don’t get the complete character dynamic. It’s just too different to be a good intro for new viewers.

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#1308461
Topic
All Things Star Trek
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I actually made a list of six episodes that I’m going to use on a friend later this month.

  1. Balance of Terror
  2. The Galileo Seven
  3. Space Seed
  4. The City on the Edge of Forever
  5. The Ultimate Computer
  6. Amok Time

I wanted to find the best episodes with a low cheese-factor, since the whole reason my friend has been turned away from watching TOS is its corny nature. He actually likes TNG, but hasn’t given TOS a chance. I told him that he would like the TOS movies, but that he has to watch some episodes first. As you mention, the emotional stakes would be higher, in addition to the fact that TMP isn’t a good introduction to the characters, and I want him to watch that too.

“Balance of Terror” and “The Ultimate Computer” are on the list not only because they are two of my favorites, but also because they contain similarities to TWOK, so they help be a lead-in to the movie’s action, and the theme of Kirk feeling outdated.

I included “The City on the Edge of Forever” “Space Seed” and “Amok Time” for the reasons you mention. But “Amok Time” really only gives you Vulcan culture, and not a whole lot of Spock himself, and that’s why “The Galileo Seven” is in there.

I wasn’t too worried about introducing Sarek, but that may change if he’s willing to watch more episodes. Depending on how much time he wants to invest in the show, I would also put “The Doomsday Machine” in the ‘must watch’ category, as it’s another of my favorites.

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#1308144
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Ranking the Alien films
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I’m glad others agree with me about Aliens. When I watched it right after Alien, I really didn’t like it at all, and only saw the technically well-made qualities as a positive. I figure a big problem for me is, as with a few other sequels in big franchises, I don’t think it has any reason to exist. Alien didn’t end with any questions that needed to be answered, and I think that Alien is the kind of picture that no matter how they tried, a sequel would do nothing but make the whole point less special. I feel similarly about Cameron’s own T2, though even that I think did a much better job than Aliens.

I’ve heard a lot that “Aliens proved that more is better in some cases,” but I find that statement incredibly ridiculous, since the fact that there are so many aliens running around and dropping like flies is one of the worst aspects of the whole film.

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#1303894
Topic
The Terminator - Color Regrade
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TylerDurden389 said:

Not sure if this contributes to the conversation but I’m gonna throw it to the air. I still have the terminator on vhs (recorded to dvd and then digital) and I noticed in the fullscreen version that the aspect ratio has a lot more headroom. When the “T” and “R” in “Terminator” cross at the beginning of the opening credits, you can actually see the top of the letters slide across each other, and THAT’S why you hear that metal scrapping noise. Not sure if the entire presentation has that extra headroom though, as it might just be only that part.

I’ve been made aware of the origin of the sound effect before, and I find it interesting that they framed it to be cut off like that. I would assume that the whole film is open matte, though it’s definitely possible that some of the optical effects shots were hardmatted. I actually have an old HBO Video VHS that I watched once, but I don’t remember what the framing looked like.

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#1303892
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The Terminator - Color Regrade
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RU.08 said:

Dek Rollins said:

By the way, when you mentioned the credits being original, what did they actually look like? was there no Donna Smith credit at all, or did it scroll up at the beginning of the credits during the fade-out like in the German DVD print?

Yes the credits started scrolling up over the picture like that before it faded out completely. I meant there was no static credit, it was probably the first credit scrolling up as seen in your screenshot.

Thanks for the info. I might take a crack at recreating the theatrical credit placement, but I might be too lazy. 😛

The only thing that looks noticeably off in the BD is the text at the start of the film (the future war text and the credits) - that’s all much softer on 35mm.

That’s to be expected.

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#1303781
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The Terminator - Color Regrade
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RU.08 said:

Dek Rollins said:

The colors are definitely washed out, but the general color biases are what I’m referring to. I think that skin tones are too frequently pinkish, and some scenes seem very dark, but most of the scenes I’ve compared look somewhat similar to the Blu-ray, and match your description of the print you saw pretty well.

The skin tones, like most 35mm on the era, are frequently yellowish in the daylight scenes.

That’s what I’ve gleamed from 35mm photos in the past.

I posted in the fanres thread that I think it seems to be the most accurate (I meant generally, though I didn’t really specify what I thought was accurate about it in that post), and that it matches the dozens of 35mm frames posted online rather closely, so I would think that the biases introduced by the telecine were subtle. With the washed out contrast it wouldn’t be projection accurate of course, but a subtle regrade of the BD on a shot by shot basis to try and match the color consistency of the DVD seems like a worthy effort to me.

The bias introduced by the telecine is anything but “subtle”. I’m very sorry to disagree.

The bias introduced by the telecine most likely includes the strong red push in the brights, but that’s also one of the idiosyncrasies I mentioned it having. Besides that and the pinkish skin tones, many scenes that I’ve directly compared look remarkably similar to the Blu-ray, and it is frequently also similar to 35mm frames that we have images of.

The only part of the film that I think is entirely wrong is the first half of the second-to-last reel. It’s incredibly green for some reason when the immediate previous scenes in the same location were much more natural looking, so I think that must have been an error of some sort. It could’ve even been a lab mistake on the print they used for the transfer even.

I think I’m going to try doing that with my updated regrade, and maybe those of us who are not quite satisfied with the BD will be happy with an alternative that isn’t far off from it. I’m curious, for everyone who has my regrade and enjoys it over the BD, would you guys be interested in something that stays closer to the BD and just makes subtle shot to shot changes?

I think this film is well worth doing a scan from a print, you’ll see the colours on the BD are faithful but there’s some subtle differences here and there. I mean no disrespect, but re-grading is a fool’s errand unless you’ve seen it projected yourself.

No disrespect taken. I don’t disagree that my lack of personal firsthand experience seeing a projection makes any of my attempts more speculative, but I do have sources for my interpretation of what a projection looks like. You’re description of the print you saw is comparable the 35mm frames we have, with those being good reference material IMO, along with most of the German transfer, taking into account that there is sometimes more green than needs to be there.

I agree that a print scan would be great. I would much rather watch that than even a new regrade of the Blu-ray.
Really, I’d love to see Arrow do a release of this as well.

By the way, when you mentioned the credits being original, what did they actually look like? was there no Donna Smith credit at all, or did it scroll up at the beginning of the credits during the fade-out like in the German DVD print?

Anyway, I would love to here feedback from yourself and anyone else that has seen it projected once I finish my new regrade, and maybe that will help determine the accuracy of what I’m able to cook up.

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#1303689
Topic
StarWarsLegacy.com - The Official Thread
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doubleofive said:

https://www.starwars.com/news/rebel-starfighters-owners-workshop-manual

These theatrical frames are much closer to Legacy’s than any other source, just slightly different coloring.

I can’t even see a color difference between this and the legacy preview. It looks Identical to my eyes.

This will probably build our hope to be inevitably smashed when nothing ever gets announced. 😛

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#1303594
Topic
Dirty Harry Color Regrade and New 5.1 remix project
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kchrules said:

https://vimeo.com/371054639/5a71498441
Here is a new crack at it. I used the aforementioned FS DVD as the color source. It’s the same 2:20 as before. The big video on the top half is the re-grade/re-color, the video on the bottom left is the untouched blu ray, and bottom right is the FS DVD (which I tried to emulate)

This grade looks really good and the blue color of the pool is a lot better, though I think the cyans have been pushed too dark in some places. While what you have there looks a lot better than the Blu-ray, I think you’ve replicated the DVD a bit too closely perhaps. The blue tones should maybe be kept lighter and a bit less magenta. The sky in some shots looks almost purple in the DVD, and I’m not sure if that necessarily should be replicated verbatim.

Also, in the first shot of the scope cross-hairs in front of the woman, the furniture she walks by that looks teal in the Blu-ray and and is blue in the DVD still looks teal in your grade. I’m curious why that would be.

And are some of the highlights blown out? I can’t really tell, but many shots have highlights that seem oddly brighter than both the Blu-ray and the DVD, like the buildings in the slow zoom-out shot. Some areas on the buildings just look white where they appear to have some color in the other sources.

Overall this looks great, and I can’t wait to see any progress you make on it.

EDIT: By the way, could you post some screencaps of the widescreen side of the DVD for comparison?

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#1303318
Topic
The Terminator - Color Regrade
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Reese said:

Dek Rollins said:

RU.08 said:

Anyway, would you say the projection was accurate to the old German DVD, the one that was transferred from a print?

No. The colours in that version are washed out, and it was not transferred digitally it was very obviously done by telecine which never produces a projection-accurate result regardless of whether you’re using a release print, a TV print, or whatever. I do not think it was even transferred for DVD - it looks like they used a broadcast tape literally transferred in the 1980’s for that release. It’s a full-screen transfer, outside of the US no one did full-screen transfers for DVD, even in 1997. And when they did the first digital restoration, and broadcast it, it was in widescreen.

The colors are definitely washed out, but the general color biases are what I’m referring to. I think that skin tones are too frequently pinkish, and some scenes seem very dark, but most of the scenes I’ve compared look somewhat similar to the Blu-ray, and match your description of the print you saw pretty well.

I posted in the fanres thread that I think it seems to be the most accurate (I meant generally, though I didn’t really specify what I thought was accurate about it in that post), and that it matches the dozens of 35mm frames posted online rather closely, so I would think that the biases introduced by the telecine were subtle. With the washed out contrast it wouldn’t be projection accurate of course, but a subtle regrade of the BD on a shot by shot basis to try and match the color consistency of the DVD seems like a worthy effort to me.

I think I’m going to try doing that with my updated regrade, and maybe those of us who are not quite satisfied with the BD will be happy with an alternative that isn’t far off from it. I’m curious, for everyone who has my regrade and enjoys it over the BD, would you guys be interested in something that stays closer to the BD and just makes subtle shot to shot changes?

Possibly. Depends on the final look I suppose.
I am curious though, in case you or someone else knows, is there a version which incorporates deleted scenes?

I think Stamper made an extended version on fanres.

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#1303220
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The Terminator - Color Regrade
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RU.08 said:

Anyway, would you say the projection was accurate to the old German DVD, the one that was transferred from a print?

No. The colours in that version are washed out, and it was not transferred digitally it was very obviously done by telecine which never produces a projection-accurate result regardless of whether you’re using a release print, a TV print, or whatever. I do not think it was even transferred for DVD - it looks like they used a broadcast tape literally transferred in the 1980’s for that release. It’s a full-screen transfer, outside of the US no one did full-screen transfers for DVD, even in 1997. And when they did the first digital restoration, and broadcast it, it was in widescreen.

The colors are definitely washed out, but the general color biases are what I’m referring to. I think that skin tones are too frequently pinkish, and some scenes seem very dark, but most of the scenes I’ve compared look somewhat similar to the Blu-ray, and match your description of the print you saw pretty well.

I posted in the fanres thread that I think it seems to be the most accurate (I meant generally, though I didn’t really specify what I thought was accurate about it in that post), and that it matches the dozens of 35mm frames posted online rather closely, so I would think that the biases introduced by the telecine were subtle. With the washed out contrast it wouldn’t be projection accurate of course, but a subtle regrade of the BD on a shot by shot basis to try and match the color consistency of the DVD seems like a worthy effort to me.

I think I’m going to try doing that with my updated regrade, and maybe those of us who are not quite satisfied with the BD will be happy with an alternative that isn’t far off from it. I’m curious, for everyone who has my regrade and enjoys it over the BD, would you guys be interested in something that stays closer to the BD and just makes subtle shot to shot changes?

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#1303137
Topic
The Terminator - Color Regrade
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RU.08 said:

The big issue I have with what you say about the Blu-ray’s accuracy is that there is evidence that the Blu-ray’s color biases in some scenes are not always consistent with the original prints.

None of those scans look anything like projection. Just taking the second one as an example - Reece was nowhere near that dark, he was clearly visible in that scene.

I mentioned that the second frame was scanned too dark, but the others clearly weren’t since their brightness isn’t too far off from the Blu-ray.

Anyway, would you say the projection was accurate to the old German DVD, the one that was transferred from a print? That transfer has a lot more green and teal than most others besides the Blu-ray.

Given your experience watching the film, that DVD release, and the general accuracy of the Blu-ray to the projection you saw, with those frame scans having different colors present, there might have actually been some fluctuation from print to print regarding the blues/cyans/teals and such. It’s hard to say until we get at least one print in somebodies hands to scan the whole film.

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#1303130
Topic
The Terminator - Color Regrade
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I’m aware that my regrade is not totally accurate, which is why I’m actually working on a new regrade from scratch that will hopefully be more in-depth than my previous single LUT efforts.

But, to say the Blu-ray is accurate is somewhat incorrect IMO. Just to clarify, the print you saw was an original one and not a 2001 re-issue? If what you saw lined up with kaosjm’s description and it had the mono I would assume it was original, but I’d rather be certain.

The big issue I have with what you say about the Blu-ray’s accuracy is that there is evidence that the Blu-ray’s color biases in some scenes are not always consistent with the original prints. The Blu-ray is more accurate than I used to think it is, and my regrade is certainly less accurate in many instances, but the Blu-ray still has some idiosyncrasies.

35mm Frames

The latter two frames in particular are very different.

http://www.framecompare.com/screenshotcomparison/Y6LNNN8X
http://www.framecompare.com/screenshotcomparison/Y67NNN8X
http://www.framecompare.com/screenshotcomparison/DW6ZGNNX

Of course the Technoir frame was scanned too dark, but a better picture was taken later.

I find it hard to believe that the print you saw had a yellow/green push in the highlights like the Blu-ray does, but I haven’t had the opportunity to see a print in person, so I can’t say anything from experience.

Also, the shot of Sarah driving in the tunnel you posted is still green in my regrade, though the shot is darker. The walls in the whole scene are green, though the road is cyan or blue in many shots in my regrade.

Anyway, I’m glad you weighed in here. By the way, what did you think of my old regrade?

That was the latest update I had made when kaosjm posted about the print he saw and said that I was spot on for most of the film. He did note that the beginning and future war stuff was sometimes very cyan and teal, which I acknowledged, but I never ended up implementing any changes like that because until now I was set on doing a single global adjustment for the majority of the movie. That’s why the shots in those comparisons have inaccuracies, too.