Dek Rollins

Sorry. If my point wasn’t clear, don’t hurt yourself.

^Sorry, I wasn’t sure what would come off sounding best, but I guess you’re right.

Did you understand the rest of my explanation? I just want to know how clear my point was. And I think this is the best way to answer the Ep 8 question:

John Doom said:

Dek Rollins said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

At this point, there’s little variety in the heroes/villains of the SW franchise – especially the villains – and I’m bored with the monotony.

Do ya know what I think of this? It’s about time they stopped making Star Wars films. The OT doesn’t need a trilogy behind it and another in front. It was a complete story, and whatever wasn’t shown to you in the films was laid out in exposition, or implied, or simply left to imagination. I don’t want endless sequels coming after every fairytale that ends in “they all lived happily ever after”, because the story is finished. You can tell that SW is done because it’s boring now, unless you make it not a SW film, and I know I don’t want that.

I agree that the OT doesn’t need prequels nor sequels. Like me, you probably see SW from an artistic point of view, but Disney/LF want more, so here we go 😄

There was a comparison to ESB, being that it was a good way to make a sequel to SW. I said that the ST can’t work the same way, because it will either feel like more of the same, and get old, or it will differentiate too much to feel like a SW film. The reason the original sequels to Star Wars worked well, is that they were continuing the story of the same characters in the same conflict, and was just bringing more closure to the story. For the ST, they want new characters and a new conflict, but they want it to feel the same way. So, they have put new characters in old roles, and emulated the old conflict with the new. This doesn’t work as well because it’s not continuing the same plot, but it still just feels like rehashing the same plot.

EDIT: The "under any circumstances part of the post was probably pushing it, but that just comes from my personal view, without taking into account other tastes.

the non-pron sites

Other peoples ideas being worse than the final film doesn’t make it “a great movie”. I’ve already stated why more SW films won’t work under any circumstances.

moviefreakedmind said:

I think there is a compelling argument to be made that none of the denominations, Protestant or Catholic, follow what the Bible actually states.

Oh I can argue that point. It’s like some people read one part of the Bible (mostly Old Testament), and forget about everything else.

I didn’t mean it was the original Christian church, I meant it was one of the original proclaimed denominations. Being that and Russian Orthodox. And I’m not a Catholic, nor do I agree with Catholic views. This being said, I completely agree with your post. It’s just that, there really aren’t any church bodies that don’t affiliate themselves with some denomination. Also, your typo, “cathicism”, makes me think of a religion dedicated to the use of catheters.

It’s the ROTJ Boba Fett standing in the ESB part that bothers me.

moviefreakedmind said:

The Catholic churches must be different than regular Christian ones.

There are no “regular Christian” ones. Catholicism is a denomination of the religion, and was one of the original two main churches (other being Russian Orthodox). I’m guessing you mean others like the Protestant churches.

TV’s Frink said:

Dek Rollins said:

Why should it matter if it’s the harshest curse word? What if the harshest curse word had no other usage, like fdakj?

I was saying why that was the word I chose as an example in my post.

I understood that, but does the actual word itself matter? If a nonsense word like “fdakj” became the harshest curse word, would it still be wrong to use it because it is so harsh, or would it be less offensive because it’s not in any way connected to another usage?

I honestly wouldn’t know the answer to that. It is an interesting point. But also, how would this made-up word become known as the harshest oath?

EDIT: also, “Oh my God!” is a curse phrase because “thou shalt not take the Lord’s name in vain.”, in which calling the name of God with no intention of actually praying to God is doing so in vain.

But what about “oh my god”? When I use it, I’m using the lowercase version of god - I never think about it being attached to any specific god.

I also am not sure about this. I’m sure everyone who cares about it would take it the same way, but I couldn’t tell you how it would be categorized.

TV’s Frink said:

Society is constantly evolving, and curse words are becoming more common even in what used to be considered polite society (such as the workplace and tv).

This I understand, but I was more so referring to Christian society, which makes it apparent that using curse words is taboo. For the most part, I agree with this mindset, but keep in mind that what most people don’t realize is that curse words (like fuck, shit, bitch, bastard, hell, etc.) are real words with definitions, and can be used properly. When used improperly (as insults), they become curse words. In contrast to these instances, “damn” is almost always a straight up curse word, because damnation means eternal sentence in hell. “Damn you!” and “Go to hell!” are examples of this. That being said, the use of a curse word is against Christian values, because a man or woman should not curse wit their tongue, but rather bless others. Also, by these same standards, words like the previously spoken of word, “retard”, or other insulting terms are also curse words by the same definition, but society has made them acceptable. This also makes me a hypocrite, because I often say words like “crap”, “suck”, “idiot”, “stupid” or “dumb”. I have kept myself from harsh oaths my whole life, and I have to say, I would rather say the words I do now, than say the words I do now plus the others mentioned.

The word “fuck” is used for multiple purposes, sex being only one of them. “Sexually immoral” is subjective and I guarantee I disagree with your opinion of what is sexually immoral, in fact I bet I’m offended by your view on what defines immoral sex. And it’s used plenty for regular old (dare I say Christian?) sex.

Closest I can come to defining immoral sex is simply pointing you to the Bible passages that point to it. Adultery is one form (which looking at someone with lust for them is committing adultery in ones own heart). Another example is a couple having sex before marriage, or before coming to a mature age. And of course, sexual relationships are a gift from God and treating such gifts with respect is the way to go (which means obeying the morals set forth in the Bible).

Why should it matter if it’s the harshest curse word? What if the harshest curse word had no other usage, like fdakj?

I was saying why that was the word I chose as an example in my post.

Does shit bother you? Why? Going to the bathroom isn’t immoral.

See first paragraph.

EDIT: also, “Oh my God!” is a curse phrase because “thou shalt not take the Lord’s name in vain.”, in which calling the name of God with no intention of actually praying to God is doing so in vain.

TV’s Frink said:

Dek Rollins said:

TV’s Frink said:

Dek Rollins said:

That still makes you a hypocrite.

Ask me if I fucking care what you think of me.

No. And how many times do I have to tell everyone here: I’m not defending the usage of “retard” as an insult! That wasn’t the purpose of what I was saying. I know you don’t like me, Frink. You haven’t liked me since the first time I disagreed with you about TFA, I’m sure. When I apologized earlier, I was trying to be as honest as I could, because I didn’t want to offend you with my opinions, but I don’t know what it sounded like in your head. If we can’t get along, then so be it. Now as honestly as I can make something sound in typed form:
Frink, I sincerely apologize if I have offended you with anything that I have posted. That was not my intent. Please accept this apology.

So what is your intent? What are you trying to prove? You’re trying to poke holes in every reason I give for why I’m offended, why do you care? Stinky was the one who actually said it and I’m a hell of a lot more pissed off at you than him, simply because you can’t stop trying to get to the bottom of it. Are you practicing for your debate class?

If you really are sorry, just shut up already.

I will gladly shut up about it, because this has been quite a silly argument, and I am to blame for it existing. Before that, though, I will answer the question you posed.

What was my intent? I have been continually annoyed at your PC attitude at various things (I know that it has been stated that PC was not the reason for your post), and when I saw that you have once again mentioned your apparent offense at a term that most everyone doesn’t care one bit about, I just wanted to point out an alternate scenario. Being that if he had used a term that carried the same meaning, and the same offensiveness, you wouldn’t have felt the need to state your offense. It seems like you pick and choose things to be offended at, and this ordeal has brought forth that I was correct in my assumption that you feel other insulting terms are just fine to throw about, but “retard” is seen as "politically incorrect, even in proper context, so I was lead to the assumption it was yet another PC offense, stated by the PC guy around here. As long as you have no more questions about my intents, I will commence with shutting up, and again, I ask you to accept my apology, because having disagreements shouldn’t cause us to be mortal enemies, and I would rather not be such with you, because, besides my disagreeing with plenty of your opinions, I like you.

God bless.

TV’s Frink said:

While we’re at it, why does “fuck” bother you? Can you explain it?

I am a christian, and I hold certain values. Picking f*** out among the available curse words to use in my post was merely what came to mind, because it is A) generally thought of as the harshest curse word, and B) a word you have used in the past on multiple occasions. As for it bothering me, it refers to sex, and is most commonly used in reference to sexually immoral actions, or as an insult. Aside from that, you have society to thank for labeling it as taboo.

TV’s Frink said:

Dek Rollins said:

That still makes you a hypocrite.

Ask me if I fucking care what you think of me.

No. And how many times do I have to tell everyone here: I’m not defending the usage of “retard” as an insult! That wasn’t the purpose of what I was saying. I know you don’t like me, Frink. You haven’t liked me since the first time I disagreed with you about TFA, I’m sure. When I apologized earlier, I was trying to be as honest as I could, because I didn’t want to offend you with my opinions, but I don’t know what it sounded like in your head. If we can’t get along, then so be it. Now as honestly as I can make something sound in typed form:
Frink, I sincerely apologize if I have offended you with anything that I have posted. That was not my intent. Please accept this apology.

That still makes you a hypocrite.

But do they condone the use of synonymous terms? If not, they’re not hypocrites in that sense. And as I’ve said before, I’m not strictly defending it’s use. The specific things that Frink chooses to state offense at confuse me.

Why would it be everyone you know? I was talking to Frink when I said that, so I don’t know where that idea came from.

moviefreakedmind said:

Dek Rollins said:

I was referring to Frink specifically, but who knows, maybe DominicCobb is too. Frink thinks that one word that refers to mental illness is dreadfully offensive when used as an insult, but another synonymous word is totally fine.

Some people get offended by certain things, that’s the way of the world. I get offended when people stand in the way like mindless idiots at the grocery store. Will you bombard me with pages and pages of posts about why that’s an inappropriate thing to be angry about?

I am slightly offended by every instance when someone says (or posts) the F*** word, and most other harsh oaths. I doubt anyone here is going to willfully stop using such language on this board just because of me.

TV’s Frink said:

RicOlie_2 said:

I find it interesting how Frink has no problem with “moron,” as far as I am aware, despite its original definition being “A person of borderline intelligence in the former classification of mental retardation, having an intelligence quotient of 50-69.”

Original definition means nothing. Times change. No one uses moron for anything but an insult anymore.

You act like this justifies “moron”, when the same can be said about “retard”.

ray_afraid said:

Are you calling everyone who is offended by the use of that term as an insult hypocrites, or just Frink?
The only people I know of who don’t seem to find it offensive are posting in this thread.

I was referring to Frink specifically, but who knows, maybe DominicCobb is too. Frink thinks that one word that refers to mental illness is dreadfully offensive when used as an insult, but another synonymous word is totally fine.

TV’s Frink said:

RicOlie_2 said:

DominicCobb said:

Frink just explained it to you. The fact that retard is interchangeable as an insult with stupid and idiot is what makes it offensive. You’re basically calling mentally retarded people stupid idiots.

The problem being that nobody I know calls them mentally retarded. It’s a dated term. Perhaps older generations, or legal documents, or people in certain regions still use it, but it is fast falling into complete disuse.

facepalm

Why are you guys bending over backwards trying to defend the use of retarded as an insult? If it’s a dated term, there’s even less reason to use it as an insult. And calling yourself “retarded” is still an insult, you’re just insulting yourself.

I’m not strictly defending it’s use, I’m calling you a hypocrite. And I know that it’s still an insult if you’re saying it about yourself.

TV’s Frink said:

FWIW, I think “slow” is in a grey area because it is sometimes used synonymously with “stupid” and sometimes with “retarded.”

Well, being that “slow” is the literal definition of both terms, then I would come to the conclusion that there is no gray area, and you are simply refusing to realize that you are being a hypocrite.

^Please explain.

TV’s Frink said:

Original definition means nothing. Times change. No one uses moron for anything but an insult anymore.

Hardly anyone uses retarded for anything but an insult anymore.