I’m not sure I like the idea of a bittersweet ending to the trilogy, but ROTJ would’ve turned out much better had Lucas and Kurtz worked out there differences with a little more compromise. Gary Kurtz was probably one of the most important people in the creation of Star Wars and Empire. He believed in the material. Lucas probably should’ve gotten Irvin Kershner back to direct too.
It’s in the ROTJ novelization. Along with the name “Palpatine”, which isn’t in the film of ROTJ either.
Sorry to say, but I don’t think the Novelizations really matter. The vast majority of audience members don’t read those. If it’s not in the film, it isn’t “known” to the audience.
The Emperor’s guards are called “Royal Guards” and Luke calls the Emperor “your highness”, but we already knew in 1983 that he’s a politician who got the legislative body to vote absolute power to him, not someone who inherited a throne.
Another thing the PT got wrong.
As I said, it was already known in 1983 that Palpatine was elected to be the Republic’s head of state.
When was this stated in the films?
Just read the article. Impressive. Most impressive.
I always thought the title referred to the Jedi, plural, as an entity. Luke becomes a fully fledged Jedi knight, which means the Jedi have returned. But, that said, I love Ray’s idea about Vader. A title can have multiple meanings, too.
According to the very next post, Prime does not. I hope someone can confirm itunes though.
The BD audio doesn’t have major changes like The Wrong Trousers, but it sounds like it might be a different mix. For example, when Wallace is drawing the ship with him and Gromit inside, Wallace is mumbling to himself in the BD track, but he isn’t making any sounds on the DVD that I can hear.
In my opinion, the 1.66:1 framing feels way too tight in many scenes. The crop isn’t even applied consistently, leading me to believe it may not have been intended to be masked.
A Grand Day Out is now up, speed corrected to 25fps, with speed/pitch corrected DVD audio and Blu-ray commentary. 3.27GB MKV.
I may do A Close Shave as well, but if I do I’ve decided to leave it in SD because of the cropped Blu-ray.
Not only its genre, but Star Wars was a lot more juvenile and simplistic than a lot of popular cinema in the '70s. The lack of cynicism resonated with audiences, but no-fun-allowed critics didn’t like it because it wasn’t that deep. I haven’t seen Annie Hall yet, nor have I gotten around to seeing any of Woody Allen’s films, but I have a feeling his work had more thematic depth, which the academy would obviously gravitate towards.
A month ago today, I stop by a local thrift store and find an MGM DVD of 2001: A Space Odyssey. Less than a month later, I upgrade 2001 to Blu-Ray via an eBay lot that also included the soundtrack on CD. And yet I’m still keeping the DVD because of it’s original 70mm six-track audio.
Just in case you didn’t know, the newer Blu-ray actually includes the original audio mix, not to mention it has a much better transfer than the older Blu-ray.
Darth Robin said:
The OT seems to have gotten a slightly wider aspect ratio with the D+ version.
Looking at these screenshots it seems to be a case of cropping. The D+ version has less picture at the top and bottom: http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/DYLPLNNX
On this one there seems to be more picture on the sides though:
I’m sure they framed each shot independently. Those 19SE frames come out at ~2.39, so it’s correct at the very least.
Interesting that the '95 VHS has the correct pitch. I wonder why more care wasn’t taken in later releases.
By the way, I’m working on A Grand Day Out now.
If you’re from the US, your VHS would have been pitched lower of course. I didn’t know I was watching it with the wrong pitch until I made this thread and the correct speed became a point of discussion.
If you want to slow it to 24fps, you can slow the audio down by encoding it like this:
ffmpeg -loglevel error -stats -n -i “The Wrong Trousers HD v2.mkv” -vn -sn -af asetrate=46080,aresample=48000 -c:a aac -b:a 192k -vbr 5 “The Wrong Trousers HD v2.mka”
And just remux it with the video in mkvtoolnix, de-selecting the original audio, and setting the video frame rate to 24fps.
I’m not well versed in ffmpeg, does this operation keep the correct audio pitch? I assume you’re posting this for the benefit of those who want to keep their file BD-compliant.
^ The legendary triple post.
Would be people be interested in a speed/pitch corrected edition of A Grand Day Out? Also, if I were to include speed corrections of both other shorts as bonuses with this preservation, would people prefer I use the cropped Blu-ray of A Close Shave to keep it HD, or just use a DVD video source to keep the proper aspect ratio?
With the DVD audio source in hand thanks to d00mb0yz96, I figured it was a good excuse to make a new, more complete version of this preservation. So this time around I synced it to the Blu-ray copy properly, at 25fps of course.
My old HD preservation had the BBC logo stuck in at the beginning, and the end credits had to be patched in from the altered DVD audio track. Now the entire short uses the original track via the 1999 DVD, with the only thing added from the altered track being the Aardman logo audio at the beginning, as the 1999 DVD doesn’t include any logos before the short. The opening BBC logo was left out to retain sync with the Blu-ray, since the 1999 DVD only has it at the end anyway. I found it quite a relief that there are no frame differences between the Blu-ray and the 1999 DVD, so no edits had to be made to the DVD audio at all.
I’ve also included the Blu-ray commentary track, adjusted to match the 25fps frame rate. I don’t know what the correct pitch is for the voice overs, but the audio from the short in this track matches the standard Blu-ray track, so I pitch corrected it on that basis. I also added the audio from the BBC logo at the end of the short for consistency.
This is a 4.14GB MKV. Both audio tracks are available separately as well, for those who want to correct the frame rate of their own Blu-ray copy and simply mux the audio in.
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I’ve decided that ranking these movies as some abstract exercise in filmic quality is folly. So I’m going to numerically rank them in terms of how I felt when they actually released:
First, the Star Wars:
- Star Wars - A stone cold timeless classic which has never been topped
- The Empire Strikes Back - The best Star Wars sequel and a perfect coming-of-age tale
- Return of the Jedi - A worthy sendoff of the trilogy with some of the best optical effects ever made
Next, the Attempt at Recapturing Star Wars:
- The Phantom Menace - A fascinating if flawed space adventure with a good mix of practical and digital effects
- Attack of the Clones - The inflection point of the saga, whiffing on almost everything except the score
- Revenge of the Sith - Taking all the poor choices of Clones and doubling down, officially killing the prequels
Finally, the Never Coming Close to Star Wars:
- The Force Awakens - The opening crawl throws Star Wars in the garbage, and it manages to get worse from there
- The Last Jedi - A sophomoric postmodernist deconstruction of the garbage fire that is this IP
- The Rise of Skywalker - An attempt so pathetic that it truly becomes so-bad-it’s-good
So yes, the Episode numbers exactly correspond with the quality of the saga, simply because each misstep of the previous entries becomes part of the story and lessens it. The story of Star Wars is legitimately worse because of the prequels, and the 1-6 ‘Saga’ is trivialized and trashed by the ST. Attack of the Clones is better than The Last Jedi simply because TLJ never had a chance to be part of a meaningful story.
This is a perfect post.
Yeah that’s fine. I definitely understand what you’re talking about. Even regarding the difference between the original and '81 crawl, I think the bad formatting and the tilt missing the music cue makes it a different (and worse) experience than the original. And much of the SE certainly feels like a different movie.
Dek Rollins said:
It’s still the same film.
Fair enough. In this instance, even the title change is enough for me to distinguish one as a stand alone & the other as part of a series.
I don’t think that logic applies to every situation. I watch the original version as part of a trilogy. Not the 1981 version. Yes, watching it as a standalone is simpler if you watch the original, but neither version functions only within such an exclusive setting. It’s just a movie, and it can be viewed under whatever lens the viewer chooses. The '81 version doesn’t have a “to be continued” added at the end, a la Back to the Future. 😉
I think it’s worth noting that people usually don’t say this sort of thing about other films that have “director’s cuts” that only change a couple of scenes. The DC of Star Trek II isn’t a different movie, it’s just a better version of the same movie. In the case of Star Wars, we’re talking about a release that had literally zero editing or content changes throughout the film, other than the opening shot being recomposited with a subtitle added. Again, Star Trek II didn’t have the “II” in the opening title on some prints, but nobody would argue this changes the film fundamentally.
I guess it has more to do with nerdy semantics than anything. : )
Of course. Semantics can always be discussed.
The only effects change made to the 1981 release is a recomposite of the flyover after the crawl, which obviously had to be done since they used a different starfield for the opening. Every other supposed effects change was made during the original release. Some of the '81 release was even done by splicing the new opening onto old prints. It’s still the same film.
I would say every “special edition” version is a different film, but the 1981 release is not a different film just because a subtitle was added to the opening ruining the musical cue. It’s just a worse version of the same film.
I’m kind of indifferent to the ANH title being added, but the poor editing and the awful reformatting of the crawl itself means I can’t say it doesn’t hurt the film. I think it works better without ANH anyway. Since it is the first film, it seems reasonable for episodes to be ‘missing’ between SW and TESB.
In conversation I always call it Star Wars, and if someone wants me to clarify, I say “the first one” or “the original.”
He always comes back. I hope he does again.
How do you pronounce Tantive IV?
I’ve always said “Tant-ev Four” but apparently it’s supposed to be “Tan-tee-vee Four”???
Tant-iv Four (like “is” or “if”), and anyone who says different is wrong. 😉