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#108472
Topic
Luke's ROTS Review (plot holes included)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/108472/action/topic#108472
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well the Padme @ 4 months pregnant could just be how it shows on her. Not all woman blow up like a balloon when they are pregnant, some remain relativly thing and you dont necessarily notice they are pregnant, while others looke like their are carrying quadruplets when in reality its only 1 baby of 'normal' size (ie not a big baby)

but ill give you the 2 month old thing...maybe thats how he explains the death star thing, it was really only a few years, but those force sensative babies just grow up oooh so fast.

-Darth Simon

haha, i had to edit cause you edited while i was posting...its very possible...it would explain why Anakin really didnt seem to be too happy when Padme told him she was pregnant.

also, when did he say 5 months? i thought he just said it felt like a lifetime
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#108468
Topic
Luke's ROTS Review (plot holes included)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/108468/action/topic#108468
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hmm, yeah ive thought about the tremor being luke and vader just not realizing it. And Luke was in close proximity to vader before that (he wasnt that far away on the death star, and vader was right behind him on the trench run, but Luke's lack of experience (in the force) could be attributed to that, because Vader did sense how strong the force was after Kenobi spoke to Luke (also can assume vader didnt really know about this speaking from beyond thing)

still doesnt address the twins not having an umbilical cord though

-Darth Simon
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#108461
Topic
Luke's ROTS Review (plot holes included)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/108461/action/topic#108461
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maybe its because they didnt have umbilical cords and came out so darn clean for newborns

actually, that really has nothing to do with leia's memory of her mom, i was just throwing that out there.

however, while I hesitantly except the Force connection view coupled with a Mother/Daughter connection thing going on, never was it even hinted that Padme was connected to the force, so since she only lived all of 5 minutes (if that) after giving birth to Leia, what causes the connection/memories. For Luke's connection with his dad, his dad is still alive, and he didnt notice it until after being told Vader was his father. So unless leia had some contact with her mom whats causing it, because like i said, it wasnt the umbilical cord...well that and the comment is phrased in such a way that it seems Padme survived for at least a few months after giving birth.

-Darth Simon
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#108180
Topic
New Ranking Ideas?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/108180/action/topic#108180
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I like the basic idea Klingon gave. Not sure on the titles cause i thought guardians, sentinals, counslers, etc were different 'classes' of Jedi, sort of a different focus not something you progressed through. but the rise as a jedi, turn to the darkside, redemption and ultimatly to a spirit idea i like.

also, as far as the Jedi go (moviewise), i thought that the trials were to become a master, not to go from Padawan to Knight. but then when do you go from Padawan to Knight if thats the case...im confused

-Darth Simon
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#108179
Topic
Trailers during ROTS
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/108179/action/topic#108179
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I like trailers.

When i saw it they showed, in no particular order

Mr. & Mrs. Smith
Fantastic 4
Batman Begins
Chronicles of Narnia
War of the Worlds

i think thats it, however im pretty sure that the War of the Worlds trailer was different on the digital showing than on the film one, and Mr. & Mrs. Smith may have been as well, i dont totally remember, but i distinctly remember that the War of the Worlds trailer was different.

-Darth Simon
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#108177
Topic
Anakin's Father...
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/108177/action/topic#108177
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"the only reason GL had to make these things so open to interpretation is for us fans to spend time deliberating it for years and not letting the franchise be forgotten... "

It may be "open to interpretation" in the film, but in the real world, it isn't.


exactly, in the real world it happens just as it does in my sig
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#108176
Topic
Original trilogy
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/108176/action/topic#108176
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Darth Balkan,

Yes, i would agree with that. I too always thought it was self defense. The three takes i gave on the scenerio are basically how i see it affecting Han's character, and the first one is how i felt (to the best of my knowledge) before the SE's. As you can see in my descriptions Han's character is still mostly the same, but there is enough change present that if you know about it then its bothersome. Like you said, its RIDICULOUS that Lucas felt the need to change anything with that scene.

-Darth Simon
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#108104
Topic
Who thinks that George Lucas will release the OOT?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/108104/action/topic#108104
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Originally posted by: WhiteKnight
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Technically it stands for Digital Versatile Disc. Quincy Jones saw to this to hype the aspects of DVD audio before the standard was finalized.


http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=dvd


ooh, i wanna play the link game http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#1.1

you can find information to back up any stance you choose on the web. personally i think digital versital disc works better (best) i mean, cause a digital video disc - audio (dvd-audio) or digital video disc - video (dvd-video) just sounds kinda funny if you think about it. the video aspect is just the most common use for it.

-Darth Simon
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#108098
Topic
Who thinks that George Lucas will release the OOT?
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/108098/action/topic#108098
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Originally posted by: WhiteKnight
Fox and/or Lucas would be sued (via class action) if they ever re-released the O-OT on VHS, LD or DVD. That does not mean the class action would win. There is a history of this type of suit. In 1976 (maybe 75) Cadillac promoted the DeVille Convertible as the “last American convertible” at autoshows. When Chrysler (and later GM) came out with a convertible in the early 80s, Cadillac was sued. The class action ultimately failed for several reasons. The claim was an autoshow billing and Cadillac could not be held liable for the actions of another automaker.

The case with Star Wars is a little different. Fox really played up the “last chance” aspect of the Faces release. It was in just about every advertisement, on the back of the each box, and Lucas himself has been relatively steadfast in his assertions. Also, Fox and Lucas have complete control on whether or not the O-OT is ever re-released.


you sound pretty certain that there would be a suit. First, its more likely that the people that would even notice that they went back on their 'last chance' word would be those that want the OOT released on dvd, basically people like us, so the chances that someone sues (the suit has to be started by someone, it just doesnt magically happen because the possibility of the suit exists) is significantly reduced. Second what does the obvious fact that Fox and Lucas have complete control over whether its released or not have anything to do with the price of tea in China. If they have complete control and they decide they want to release it, gues what...it will be released. Third, based on whats actually written on the box, and according to you there should have been a lawsuit already because its what they touted as the "final video release of Star Wars in its original version" is not its original version.

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Who would sue? Any owner of a previous release of the O-OT could join the class action. The lawyers would go after Fox and Lucas for false advertising and damages. The value of these previous releases, especially the LDs, would fall. There is no way Star Wars LD Trilogy would fetch $400 if you could buy them on DVD. I would guess these versions would be worth less than $50 for the set.


ok, they could be involved in a class action suit if it was filed, but just because a suit of this kind could be brought forth, doesnt mean it definatly will. plus by what your saying it would only be people who bought the faces release that was touted as the "last chance" because otherwise the false advertising and damages you speak of wouldnt apply. 'The Lawyers would go after...' you say this stuff like there are lawyers with suits all filled out waiting for the release so they can file them with the courts.

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With respect to Obi-Wan Spicoli, DVD stands for Digital “Video” Disc. Semantics aside, Fox and Lucas do have some options to give us a DVD version, hence the recent release of the special special edition (or whatever you want to call it) on DVD and the special edition release in the late 90s on LD and VHS, after the Faces release. We just can never have it just as it was in the theaters. Lucas could do a Directors Cut, or Special edition with the digital upgrades less the story line changes. This should satisfy the purists and avoid costly litigation.


First off they can easily use those semantics to release the OOT on dvd or maybe Blu-Ray. How about a reissue of the LD's, they dont use the word 'Video' in their title. Lucas' and Fox's lawyers could easily get around this video aspect if they decided to release it. Plus, they never really did released it as the Theatrical version, plus there were so many different sound mixes they could just use a slightly different one and its no longer the 'Original Version'. or it could be as simple as fixing all the uncolored lightsabers and its no longer the original version. so many loop-holes so little time.

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Lucas is a shrewd business man. He has milked the Star Wars saga for billions and he shows no signs of stopping – capitalism at its best! Over 69K fans have signed the petition on this website – clearly there is purist demand for the O-OT. Laserdiscs, arguably an obsolete technology, of the O-OT are commanding huge premiums on the market. Special Editions of the entire trilogy on LD go for less than $40, yet the O-OT (Definition and Faces Edition) range from $100 to $400. The very idea that Lucas would not capitalize on this demand is shocking; that is, unless he can not. Do you really believe he is not releasing the O-OT on DVD on a whim? No, there must be more to it than that. My contention is that the reason he and Fox are not re-releasing the O-OT is the legal perils they would face if they did. It would not take Lucas long to do an O-OT on DVD. The digital mastering was done for the Definitive and Faces LD editions. All you would need is someone to do the menus and marketing.


Agreed Lucas is a 'shrewd business man' and also very good at marketing. If he has no intentin of stopping the 'milking of the SW saga for billions' do you really think he would have put himself in a position to eliminate the possibilty of future releases.

Also, what law states that if someone releases a product that they own all the rights to, people that are profiting off of it can sue for damages. I could almost argue that this is copyright infringment, im sure the Law teams of Lucas and Fox could come up with much better. and if thats what you were getting at, why would lucas care if someone who bought 5 copies of the Faces LD looses the ability to sell it for $100 (it may even make them more rare, at least more rare to find them in good working order)

point being I seriously dont think the reason they havent released the OOT on dvd is because they are afraid of getting sued for it. Plus, you really think an OOT on dvd would just be the faces edition with no additional restoration? While that would probably actually satisfy many, i dont think that Lucas would take that route. Its more likely that the reason he isnt releasing the OOT on DVD is because he doesnt want to, because he doesnt acknowledge that version anymore or less likely that he/his marketing team feels that holding out longer will increase the money they can make off of it (you do know that disney pulls their movies every so many years only to re-release them after demand has built up over the time in order to keep them profitable)

69K people signed the petition. I hate to sound pessimistic and imply the petition means nothing, but based on numbers from a quick search the altered trilogy did $115 million in sales. at MSRP ($70) thats 1,642,857 dvds sold vs the 69,000 that signed the petition. look at the numbers, 69k is not reason enough for lucas to release the OOT on dvd for the sole reason of profit, even if you double the number its not much. I hate to say it but most people probably didnt even notice there were changes. The best bet for Lucas releasing the OOT on dvd at this point is if he releases it as a special feature/alternate version as part of a huge box set.

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Personally, I hope we do see something close the theatrical releases on DVD in the future.


so do i

However, I am not under any delusions that it will be modification free, less they risk litigation.


no, you just seem to be under the delusion that this is some big legal problem for Fox/LFL when its really not. let me ask you this. Would you sue Lucas/Fox if he released the OOT on the grounds that you've stated above?

-Darth Simon
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#107838
Topic
Help Wanted: Upgrading from CD-to-DVD - Which preservation project version is best?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107838/action/topic#107838
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Like michaeldcoates said, all the versions are slightly different. I suggest you check out the screenshot thread, the threads dedicated to the particluar version, and maybe the thread with the poll of different versions.

I have multiple versions (Dr. Gonzo, TR47, Isomix, and EditDroid) but havent actually gotten around to the TR47 version, have only watched the holiday special from that set. Of those my favorite so far is the EditDroid but im also looking forward to Zion's set as well as MeBeJedi's. The Isolated Score on the isomix is great and when i watched that set thats how i watched it, the EditDroid also has an isolated score but i havent listened to it yet.

as far as widescreen, I dont think there are any full screen transfers (someone correct me if im wrong). Also, all the transfers are letterboxed except the Dr. Gonzo which is anamorphic (again, someone correct me if im wrong) so if you want anamorphic you would need to go with that set, otherwise any of the sets will give you widescreen.

also check out the torrents thread, that should answer your where to find it question.

-Darth Simon
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#107831
Topic
Original trilogy
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107831/action/topic#107831
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Darth Balkan:

I am well aware that my two paragraphs somewhat contradict each other. But at the same time i still feel that it changes hans character. Yes it was technically self defense in either case, but the fact that Lucas had to change it is like see, Greedo was actually threatining Han's life, it wasnt just all talk. which it well could have been. You basically have 3 versions of the scene, the OT, the SE, and the DVD version

OT - Han is 'threatened' by a bounty hunter, he's a rogue, he's used to dealing with these types of situations. He actually has the the upper hand and makes his move before Greedo even knows whats up. You can even argue that he reacted with more force than was necessary in the situation giving him that 'bad guy' character that is usually argued because he didnt know if Greedo really planned on killing him.

SE - Similar, we see that Han is already preparing for the worse, but now he's only responding to almost getting his head blown off and being damn lucky that he didnt. He Not only did he really not have the upper hand in the situation, he almost got killed by a pathetic bounty hunter that couldnt hit a target 3 feet in front of him. Now Han is just some guy that deals with unsavory people, but no one that is a real threat.

DVD - Again, Han is getting prepared to 'defend' himself, but he's still not fully in control of the situation, he's not as quick as he once was, now Greedo not only has time to get a shot off, he's almost as quick as Han. This may seem just as good as the OT version as first but remember Han is technically on the defensive, so he needs to prempt the strike in order to protect himself, not a response like it was in the SE. Greedo is probably more pathetic cause he should have been more ready to shot Han, not a rushed shot at the same time his prey fires at him, if it was Fett (or any other decent bounty hunter), you think Han would have even been able to draw his weapon let alone fire it. And again Han lucks out that his shot hit (though this can be seen as he's just more skilled and a better shot because he was able to hit is target under such a quick shot) but he still just barely gets his head blown off.

I like the OT Han personally, you get the impression that this has happened before, its not the first time he's been held at gunpoint and he's not worried because he's got it all under control. why else would he start taking out his blaster under the table before Greedo actually threatened his life. plus in the new versions he still preps his blaster, but now even with that prep he's not quick enough to off Greedo before Greedo gets a shot off.

So sorry if my previous post was unclear. Basically, imo, the reason it seems Lucas changed the scene is so its clear that Han was acting in self defense. But by doing so it changes Han's character because we dont get that confidence in Han's ability as a smuggler who deals with shady people and backstabbing on a daily basis. Hopefully this clears things up.

-Darth Simon
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#107820
Topic
ROTS: After the 2nd viewing... (possible spoilers)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107820/action/topic#107820
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But when Luke first asks her he specifically says, 'Do your remember your mother, you're real mother' or something very similar. Luke obviously knew he was 'adopted' and from that scene in Jedi it seems that Leia knew she was adopted as well.

what gets me is she says 'somehow i always knew' when Luke reveals they are brother/sister. Which means she knew even when she kissed him...thats just wrong.

-Darth Simon
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#107683
Topic
MagnoliaFan Edits: Ep I "Balance Of The Force", and Ep II "The Clone War" (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107683/action/topic#107683
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Hey Rik, can i get a copy of those covers

heh, just kidding, but on a serious note. will your next cover torrent be of the same format of the most recent one (loose files/folders) or will it be like the one before that (zip file)

i think you should keep it in the same format of the most recent one that way those of us that downloaded it can just jump on the torrent and get the new files/updates and help seed.

also, nice work on the covers and is that the 'official' title MagFan is using for his edit?

-Darth Simon
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#107694
Topic
Who thinks that George Lucas will release the OOT?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107694/action/topic#107694
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The appeal of Star Wars has gone beyond anything I could have ever imagined. I am pleased that for the final video release of Star Wars in its original version, we can present it with the best sound and picture quality yet available, thanks to THX Digital Mastering.

In the years to come I hop you, your children, and your children's children will enjoy not only this trilogy but also the adventures yet to come in the continually unfolding Star Wars universe.


George Lucas


thats what i believe is being refered to from the back of the box set

I too, like bad_karma24, do not follow your line of your reasoning. i mean who would sue Fox/Lucas because he released the original trilogy? First, that whole statement can be used in a lawsuit as its not the original version of SW as pointed out in above posts. second it was released on dvd as the original trilogy, which i take the use of the word video to mean VHS, so using that he/fox/whoever wouldnt be sued in the first place could easily get around it. in addition, like said, who would sue. the people selling the LD's? on what ground? 'Lucas/Fox is preventing us from making money on a product they own?' heh, id like to see that work. Also i dont understand your 'leave money on the table' comment. what does that mean, from what it sounds like its he wont throw away the possiblilty of making profit, which would imply that he will eventually release, or at least consider releasing, the OOT on dvd. and the final reason why they wouldnt get sued over it? survey says....Fox/Lucas has way more money than anyone who would even think of suing them (or think they could benefit in anyway from it) and would run said person into a financial whole so big it would make the US deficit look like nothing.

-Darth Simon
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#107551
Topic
My review of Episode III (minor, minor spoilers)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107551/action/topic#107551
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Saw the movie again last night (digital screen, didnt notice any differences) but when i got home i watched the end of Empire (had started empire before i had to leave for the movie) and i noticed some parallels.

First, I was starting to get fed up with a lot of the thought processes/comments on the board as of late, it had seemed the new movie brought a lot of trolls to the board and i was ready to take a break until they left, but Jay's and MeBe's last posts restored some of my faith in SW fans.

I really think the point about Qui-Gon and the Fall of the Jedi Council are good points. After the first mention of 'the prophecy' my take has always been that in the end anakin does restore balance, just not as the Jedi thought, and this takes my own thoughts so much further in this respect.

As far as Anakins father and Palpatine's master. After seeing it again last night, Palpatine only refers to it as a 'Sith Legend' he never says it happened long ago. So it makes more sense that Plagueous was Palp's master and Palps told the story as he did because he wasnt quite ready to reveal himself as the Sith Lord and also it sounds more impressive as a Legend than, 'back a few years ago...'

Also, creating life and keeping life alive are two different things. Its possible that Palpatine could have masterd the ability to 'create' life through the force, but not prevent death. Also, Im not really sure if i think that Palpatine created Anakin or if it was his master. But i agree that apparently his master didnt teach him 'everything' he knows. And also, like Palps said, his master was unable to save himself from death.

I also found Anakins 'turn' more convincing this time around as well. I think the turn is actually taking place the whole movie. Palpatine is constantly placing seeds of doubt in Skywalkers mind. At the end Anakin is essentially loosing everything because of the conflict and desperatly wants the power to stop the lose, the fear of loosing Padme is too much for him, he doesnt want another lose like that of his mom's again. So he chooses to 'believe' in Palpatine's ability to help him save her because he cant stand to loose the one thing he cares about most. Then at the end (his dual with obi-wan) he's basically lost padme, he's lost obi-wan, all he has left is the promises of the Emperor and that what he is doing is the right thing. I know im not really expressing this as well as im thinking it, but I think it fits with the Vader we know in the OT. The part that really made me realize this, and will hopefully get my point across, was when i went home and watched ESB and during the Luke/Vader fight Vader says to Luke 'Join me and together we can rule the Galaxy as father and son' , and a comment about 'putting an end to this conflict' and since i had just watched Episode III less than an hour ago I was reminded of the scene where he tells Padme, 'I can overthrow the Chancellor, we can rule the Galaxy together and make things right, the way we want' or something along those lines. So ultimately all Anakin really wants is to restore Peace to the Republic and he believes (he has to because if he doesnt then he himself has destroyed everything he believes in) that what he is doing will achieve that. Similar to his comment in Episode II where he tells Padme that 'someone should make them agree' when she said 'who you?' he said no, but maybe he thinks that person is Palpatine, or that Palps is at least a good choice. It would seem that when talking with Luke and Padme, his thirst for power has somewhat taken over and he wants that position. But either way its clear that he thinks thats the way to ensure peace.

-Darth Simon
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#107156
Topic
A modest proposal: Should Lucas make more OT changes?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107156/action/topic#107156
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I dont think the saber fights were actually rubbish, i think they actually show more of a power/control battle. Basically you have 2 masters fighting in each situation and when you have that you get the kind of tension that you see in the battle with each player having a difficult time getting an opening on the other.

for my complete opinion on the lightsaber battles (minus episode III right now) check this thread http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=2&threadid=2251

-Darth Simon
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#107099
Topic
Info: Would it Be Good? An Official Release of the unaltered Original Trilogy on DVD?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107099/action/topic#107099
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Lucas could just take one of the transfers and release that as the official OOT.

I sometimes wonder how many of the Lucasfilm employees have copies of one of the LD transfers that they watch instead of the official dvds. maybe Lucas' own kids have copies that they keep hidden away under their mattress, right next to the Playboy magazines they dont want their dad to know about

-Darth Simon
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#107096
Topic
Falcon is in ep3
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107096/action/topic#107096
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Originally posted by: Anakin's Mannequin
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Originally posted by: Bossk
Working copies of ROTS already popped up online. If he's got a completed version, then I don't know, but it's certainly pirated. I just want to see the screen cap.


Wow, a pirated commercial copy has the deleted scenes. If that's not motivation to get ahold of one, I don't know what is.

I still don't get why Lucas held out on those scenes. Very crucial IMO to filling out the story. Plus Yoda landing on Degobah would have been a better OT nod than "Miss you I will, Chewbacca". Maybe Chewie and him had a one night stand and he's going to miss that Wookie nookie.


the falcon scene they are refering to isnt one of the deleted scenes, i think your mixing this up with the other thread that talks about deleted scenes

-Darth Simon
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#107068
Topic
ROTS sets new Opening Day Gross record
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107068/action/topic#107068
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Just heard on the radio they said that ROTS is now officially the biggest grossing film on its opening day.

heres a link http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=starwars3.htm with numbers.

suprisingly (at least i think it is) ROTS was only number 3 for number of theaters it was released in. *edit* number 3 for this weeks release at any rate, looks like its 12 for opening day release.

also, was checking out some of the other stats/rankings and so far it is ranked 8 for the SW franchise, which includes the SE's

-Darth Simon
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#107051
Topic
ROTS: The Jedi Now Seen In A Different Light...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107051/action/topic#107051
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what exactly did Shim do for Watto? usually slaves do work for their master, but Shmi seemed to just sit at home and tend house.

Maybe the Jedi did free Shmi. Maybe it went down like this: Obi-Wan and Clegg (believe thats Owen's fathers name) are actually the ones that are brothers, though it could actually be Owen, either way they have some sort of family relation going on. Obi-Wan calles up Clegg on the com-link, 'Hey Clegg, how's your family? Good to hear. Oh the Jedi thing, yeah its going great, actually just got appointed a Master and have myself an apprentice now. Yeah, actually thats the reason im calling. See he actually happens to be from your home planet...Yeah, i was there not to long ago, sorry I wanted to stop buy but we were kinda rushed, you know running from this Sith Lord, trying to avert a war...Heh, yeah exactly typical stuff. Anyway, his Mom's still actually on the planet. Yeah, she's a slave, we couldnt actually get her freed. Some guy named Watto, oh you know him? Thats good, listen you think you can go buy her from him, Just let me know what it costs and Ill wire you the credits. Yeah, i can just put it on my expense account. Thanks alot, I owe you one, ill try and stop by to visit soon, give Owen and his wife my regards, sorry i couldnt make the wedding. Anyway i gotta run, yeah its movie night, we're watching Raiders of the Lost ark, yeah I love that movie, its still my favorite. Talk to you soon, take care'