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#115549
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SW, Copyrights, and The Library of Congress
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/115549/action/topic#115549
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well Obi-Wan Spicoli posted some information in another thread (http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=2&threadid=2552&messid=115378) that I had made to get some facts straight before making this thread. It may change some of the info i posted, so im gonna copy my reply from that thread here

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Obi-Wan Spicoli,

Thank you much for this information, as some of you may have gathered the reason for my request of this information was for the following thread that I started http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=2&threadid=2552

Unfortunatly, this changes some of my assumptions made, so based on the information present in the copyright listing for Star Wars and the dates the LoC aquired their copies if the crawl was already made and could have been present in the 1977 version than its possible that the versions that the LoC recieved in '78 & '79 include this crawl...the two things that makes this seem unlikely however is that the copyright date is may 25 1977, and when the subtitles for the hearing impaired were added this was noted in the copyright so it would make sense that the addition of information to the crawl would also have been noted. Also, the fact that the rereleases of Star Wars were all without the Episode IV until 1981 and the copies the LOC recieved were before this date.

What is also strange is that the earliest copy that the LOC has is dated as being aquired about a year after the movie came out. Now there is the fact that the online copyright database only contains works registered on or after 1/1/1978, but i dont think that would keep an aquisition of the film reels in 1977 from appearing on the information I refer to in the other thread.

I was giving a few more sources I can check, so hopefully I can unquestionably establish what version the print the LOC has on file is.

-Darth Simon
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#115546
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Episode IV title Crawl question
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/115546/action/topic#115546
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Obi-Wan Spicoli,

Thank you much for this information, as some of you may have gathered the reason for my request of this information was for the following thread that I started http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=2&threadid=2552

Unfortunatly, this changes some of my assumptions made, so based on the information present in the copyright listing for Star Wars and the dates the LoC aquired their copies if the crawl was already made and could have been present in the 1977 version than its possible that the versions that the LoC recieved in '78 & '79 include this crawl...the two things that makes this seem unlikely however is that the copyright date is may 25 1977, and when the subtitles for the hearing impaired were added this was noted in the copyright so it would make sense that the addition of information to the crawl would also have been noted. Also, the fact that the rereleases of Star Wars were all without the Episode IV until 1981 and the copies the LOC recieved were before this date.

What is also strange is that the earliest copy that the LOC has is dated as being aquired about a year after the movie came out. Now there is the fact that the online copyright database only contains works registered on or after 1/1/1978, but i dont think that would keep an aquisition of the film reels in 1977 from appearing on the information I refer to in the other thread.

I was giving a few more sources I can check, so hopefully I can unquestionably establish what version the print the LOC has on file is.

-Darth Simon
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#115367
Topic
***The ADigitalMan non-Star Wars DVD Info and Feedback Thread***
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/115367/action/topic#115367
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"Coppola actually did this once for a TV airing and people loved it, but later he said that it was meant to be seen with "the flashbacks", so any hope of seeing it on DVD is probably lost."

If they occur at the chapter marks, it would actually be quite easy to do. One of my dream projects would be to take Memento and put all the sequences in chronological order. I'm a big fan of this film, and love how it's organized, but I've always wanted to see what the overall effect would be to see everything in order. Pulp Fiction would be fun to do also, but it would be far easier (fewer scenes and very little overlapping.)


Pretty sure the official Memento dvd (may need the special edition, or whatever they called it) does this. I've been meaning to try it out for the longest time. Ill do so and let you know if its there or not, but you can prob find info on it on one of the the various DVD Easter Egg sites.

-Darth Simon
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#115355
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Info & Help: looking for... other ld-rips to dvd movies ex. blade runner int cut, songs of the south, frighteners dir cut - and much much more...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/115355/action/topic#115355
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Originally posted by: Rikter
The THX 1138 LD transfer will be up 1 week after the "ADigitalMan Episode I Edit" is done...


Very nice, Ill copy my disc to my hd when i get home and help seed it out. If i had checked this morning before I left for work I would have brought the disc with me.

-Darth Simon
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#115383
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ROTS: The Droids...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/115383/action/topic#115383
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Threepio never mentions his name when he introduces himself to Owen, Ive watched it and paid close attention to this for this exact reason. In fact his only contact with him is when he first buys him. I think its (paraphrasing)

Owen: I suppose your programmed for etiquette and protocol.
C-3PO: why yes sir, its my primary function
O: I have no need for a protocol droid
C: of course not sir, that is why i have been programmed...
O: what i really need is a droid that understands the binary language of vaporators.
C: vaporators, my first job was programing binary load lifters, quite similar to your vaporators in most respects
O: do you speek bocce (sp?)
C: Why yes sir, its like a second language

thats pretty much it. Also, 3PO looks much different as the coverings he has now are shiney gold as apposed to the old dirty metal he had while with Owen. Plus, if his actions in ANH are any indication its not like he spent much time hanging out with the droids on the farm. And 20 some odd years later your really gonna recognize a voice of a droid that you have no emotional attacthment to. I know people that cant recognize other peoples voices who they would have more of an emotional attachment to after much shorter periods of time.

Vader never speaks with C-3PO. He may over hear threepio talking to chewie or something but there is so much going on and Vader's attention is on much more important things that 'hey, i wonder if that droid is the one i built 30 years ago'. In ANH threepio runs through the hanger while Vader is in the middle of a sword fight on the other side...i seriously doubt Vader even saw him. No exposure no chance of recognition. This isnt a plot hole as there is nothing wrong here.

dont get me wrong, im not trying to justify the inclusion of the droids, or say it worked perfectly and was done superbly. I personally think Anakin making 3PO is a dumb idea, I like the idea someone else had (i forget who, sorry) in another thread about how if lucas wanted to do it 3PO should have been Padme's while on Naboo as it would make sense for a Queen to have a protocol droid. And Artoo should have been a scrapped droid that Anakin fixed up and modified to his liking...maybe, and this wasnt part of the idea, but make Anakin a bit of a loner (ie remove his useless friends) and have him fix up R2 and program and tweek him and that be his only close friend before Obi-Wan shows up and befriends him and takes him under his wing.

my point is that even though this aspect wasnt done the best its not nearly as bad as some people make it out to be. It takes very little imagination to discount this 'plot holes' there are much bigger holes that people can base their hate on. Plus it amazes me how most plot holes, even fairly large ones, in the OT are overlooked (with the PT's out, it seems more of these are discussed however) but details like this (caused by the PT) are scrutinized.

-Darth Simon

p.s. The spelling error was more of a bit of humor, wasnt meant to be part of my arguement or an attack on yours...i spell things wrong all the time...hell i still have to think about that 'i before e' thing
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#115372
Topic
Quotes I Like
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/115372/action/topic#115372
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Originally posted by: Jedikev
"It's like this and like this and this and a..." - Dr Dre and Snoop dogg - "Aint nothin but a G thang"


must not like it very much if you cant even bother to quote it right.

http://www.musicsonglyrics.com/D/Dr.%20Dre/Dr.%20Dre%20-%20Nuthin%20But%20A%20G%20Thang%20lyrics.htm
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It's like this and like that and like this and uh
It's like that and like this and like that and uh
It's like this and like that and like this and uh


-Darth Simon
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#115365
Topic
You came this close to Qui Gon being in the end of ROTJ...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/115365/action/topic#115365
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Commande Courage,

that would be interesting to see, but as an 'Alternate Ending'

the one point im unclear on however is the last two points. At first it seemed to flow like how it would work on screen. but then the last two points, if not just a recap of the scene, dont fit because you have old - fade to new - add padme/qui-gon - back to old missing the characters that were just added - then back to new.

but if you cut those last two lines I think it could flow nicely as a nice alternate ending.

-Darth Simon
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#115362
Topic
ROTS: The Droids...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/115362/action/topic#115362
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I wouldnt say its proposterous (i wouldnt even say its preposterous)

When did Anakin/Vader encounter 3PO? maybe on bespin he saw him on Chewie's back, but I dont think vader was examing the droid to see if it was the one he made. TC-14 looks similar to 3PO, as does the other droid threepio encounters on bespin.

Same with Artoo. He wouldnt have even seen him at this point so when did Vader see Artoo in the OT? when he was trying to shoot down Luke's X-Wing in ANH? Im sure that was his concern. 'Oooh, I see a blue dome of an astromech droid...could that possibly be my artoo unit?' I dont buy it.

Uncle Owen. Similar info with 3PO, he has very little contact with Owen in ANH. He never is told or hears threepios name. Maybe he put it together when Luke mentiond the R2/Kenobi thing, but it wasnt like he was gonna say he recognized the droids at that point since he's trying to hide all that info about Anakin from Luke. And he did purposly tell luke to get the memory erased.

Obi-Wan, similar to uncle owen. Why would he tell Luke all that info that is obviously stuff that Luke isnt ready to hear yet, and wouldnt help their cause of saving Leia and the Rebellion anyway. (its like a need to know basis) He 'lies' to luke before we find out this info about the droids, but now that we know it it becomes more unacceptable, why?

preposterous fanboy justification? sorry, think your stretching just a bit much to discount reasonable explanations

-Darth Simon
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#115349
Topic
SW, Copyrights, and The Library of Congress
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/115349/action/topic#115349
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Originally posted by: SilverWook
So, is it at least possible for film scholars to watch the '77 version?


Actually I dont believe so. I mean the only versions they have that appear to be the '77 version are the two reference/archival copies which they dont let out to be viewed. It may be possible that if you are a well known/renowned film scholar that they will let you view these copies, but I dont believe that to be the case. I will ask my friend for some more information, but from what they told my i get the impression that the archival copies are put in the high tech storage and 'locked away' so to speak.

-Darth Simon
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#115174
Topic
You came this close to Qui Gon being in the end of ROTJ...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/115174/action/topic#115174
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Its not necessarily that we believed every Jedi could do this, its more we didnt need an explanation as to why we didnt see more Jedi Ghosts besides Ben, Yoda, and Anakin

I mean maybe the others werent strong enough, or in touch enough...I cant be sure now cause all the other info has biased me, but I think my thought on it was based on the dissappearing thing. I never saw it as Obi-Wan got cut in half and vanished. I saw it that he vanished into the force of his own will before he was cut down. Same with Yoda, he became one with the force before/as he died. I always figured Anakin's body was in the suit but that being burned 'set him free' so to speak hence his appearing at the end.

Its one of those things that was never a problem until Lucas made it a problem by addressing it (or trying to address it)

-Darth Simon
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#115161
Topic
You came this close to Qui Gon being in the end of ROTJ...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/115161/action/topic#115161
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totally agree greencapt, I didnt need any explanation either. And actually when Qui-Gon didnt dissapear after dying I didnt need an explanation for that either. I mean, Obi-Wan new he was about to die (he did let himself get struck down), Yoda also knew his end was near (though from more natural causes I would assume), Qui-Gon got unexpectedly impaled through the chest. In AoTC we hear Qui-Gon yell for Anakin to stop. That all worked fine for me, I never really understood where the thought that an explanation was needed came from, but one day i read how it was supposed to be explained in RoTs

-Darth Simon
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#115036
Topic
SW, Copyrights, and The Library of Congress
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/115036/action/topic#115036
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Ok, I know there had been some discussion a little while ago on the board about Original Copies of the films in regards to do they exist, can we get them, etc.

Well a friend of mine works at the Library of Congress and was able to give me a bit of information (that is all publically available) about the films and what exactly the LoC has. She was also able to give me some information on copyrights.

Basically if you go to http://catalog.loc.gov and do a basic search. Search for 96512247 using the search type LCCN-ISBN-ISSN you should get the the entry for Star Wars and if you click on 'Full Record' you will get all the information.

Basically what this tells us is that the LoC does have a copy of the original film reel (as was expected) and that this appears to be the '77 version. My friend told me that the online copyright database only contains works registered on or after 1/1/1978 so the film was copyrighted May 25 1977 which makes sense, but we cant search that record.

So if we look down at the Source of Acquisition information we see 5 entires. the first three appear to be laserdiscs from the 80's these are the viewing copies so it would seem that the viewing copies are going to contain the updated scroll since thats whats on the laserdiscs.

The other 2 copies they have are listed as ref. copies which are the archival copies and as my friend stated, 'you probably can't watch them' but looking at the dates these reels seem to be the original versions.

Now, some information not on the page my friend gave me is that the LoC (generally) recieves (at least) 2 copies of the work. one copy is made available for viewing and the other (the one in better condition) is put in hi-tech format specific storage. She also said (this came up in another thread) that they dont actually let you 'touch' the viewing copy and that basically you can just watch it in a small viewing room and it would not be possible to aquire scans of the actual film.

So basically this is a good news, bad news type thing. Good: Even if Lucas no longer has a copy of the Original Film the Library of Congress appears to have one (that is also probably stored better, and thus in better condition, than any copy that Lucasfilm has) Bad: But we wont ever see this copy as its for Archival purposes.

-Darth Simon
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#115010
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Episode IV title Crawl question
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/115010/action/topic#115010
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hmm, thanks, I think that is what i remember reading

In addition to when it was first shown with the new crawl, does anyone know when Lucas actually added the crawl to the film? was it while he was working on ESB? (when did production of ESB start? does anyone know?)

Actually, any information you can provide as far as the release dates of star wars, when changes were made, and early info on ESB (such as the production) that is/could relate to release/change dates of Star Wars (ANH) would be most helpful.

Thanks

-Darth Simon

*edit, chainsawash posted while i was typing...but from what your saying the title crawl change was most likely made during production of ESB then?