Darth Malgus

I don’t pay attention to the concept of “official Canon”. To me it’s Canon what I decide to be Canon. So, I don’t want anything to still be Canon, simply because for me it’s Canon everything I decide it is, and I don’t give a s**t about what Disney says. In my head, many of the things that are considered as non-Canon are still Canon, and vice versa. So, I don’t need to wish that something is still Canon, simply because for me many things have never stopped being Canon to begin with.

The Clone Wars Multimedia Project = Canon
The Darth Bane Trilogy = Canon
The Old Republic stuff = Canon
The Force Unleashed = Canon

TCW = Non-Canon
Rebels = Non-Canon
The Mandalorian = Non-Canon
The Sequel Trilogy = Non-Canon

So…

• TPM: Add the deleted scene where Anakin beats Greedo because he accuses him of cheating in the race.
• AOTC: Cut the scene of Anakin confessing to Padmé that he killed the Tusken.
• ROTS: Add the deleted scene where Qui-Gon’s spirit talks to Yoda.
• ANH: Replace the original duel with SC 38 Reimagined.
• TESB: Cut the scene of the kiss between Luke and Leia.
• ROTJ: Replace “Jedi Rocks” with the original despecialized scene.

I think this is the most conservative list in this thread. Lol.

I like pretty much everything I listed here: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1458270/action/topic#1458270

But this is what I like the most:

The Tales of the Jedi comics;
Knights of the Old Republic I & II;
Star Wars: The Old Republic;
The Republic comics;
Tartakovsky’s Clone Wars;
Labyrinth of Evil;
The Force Unleashed;
The Thrawn Trilogy.

I love the first game, but the second game doesn’t exist to me. It’s pointless. Starkiller’s story was concluded, it didn’t need a sequel.

All people who are not Force sensitive are able to keep their consciousness in an eternal limbo. Non-Force-sensitive people cannot become Force ghosts, but they still keep their consciousness in a kind of limbo, and Force ghosts can enter this limbo. So, after his death in ROTJ Anakin reunited with Padmé in the afterlife. There’s no one who will ever convince me otherwise, not even George Lucas.

I absolutely need to believe this. I simply can’t accept the fact that Padmé is gone forever and that Anakin can never reunite with her. I need to believe that the two of them reunited in the afterlife, otherwise I feel really bad. I love them both too much to think they’ll never get together again.

DuracellEnergizer said:

“I don’t like sand. It’s coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere. Not like here. Here, everything is soft and smooth.” – Little Orphan Annie

This, but not ironically.

In addition…

“I’m a Jedi, like my father before me”

When I hear this sentence I get chills, I almost want to cry, both for the situation in which it’s pronounced, and because I Always think of how Anakin must have reacted when he heard It. He probably thought to himself something like that: “What you’re doing is wrong, and you know it. You can’t bring her back, but you can save your son, the fruit of your love. Save him! Free yourself!”

Also, I do think there is a bit of irony in how fiercely people will defend the idea of the Saga being the story of Anakin, and be offended by the idea that the ST undermines Anakin’s position as the Chosen One, when George himself said he was going to make Leia the Chosen One in his Sequel Trilogy. We treat his work as religious text when he’s making it up on the fly.

I’m actually the most consistent person on this topic, just read what I wrote in my previous posts. To me, Anakin is the protagonist of the Saga and is the Chosen One. Anyone who contradicts this truth is wrong, even if it’s Lucas himself who does so. But I don’t think he would have done that, because if you read carefully what he said, you’ll understand that he didn’t wanted to make Leia the Chosen One in a literal sense, but in a more metaphorical sense. So, tecnically Anakin Is the Chosen One anyways.

I don’t support neither the George Lucas hate, nor the unconditional worshipping of the man. I have a much more balanced idea about him: I think he’s a genius and I love all 6 films he created, for better or for worse (Indeed, I almost always defend him about the story choices he made in the Prequels). But I think sometimes he made mistakes, and I don’t like some of his ideas (the Whills for example). I also think he should have paid more attention to the continuity and respected the authors of books and comics more, because what he helped to do together with Dave Filoni in TCW was a disaster in terms of continuity. I have no problem in saying that if his Sequel Trilogy had materialized then I probably would have hated it, despite I love both the Prequels and the Originals. But as I said in one of my previous posts, I highly doubt that he would ever get to create a Sequel Trilogy, since he constantly repeated for years that he would never do it, and that the Saga would have only 6 films.
In summary, it can be said that I don’t look at who is the author of a particular work, I judge that work exclusively according to my personal tastes, regardless of who its author is. If Jesus Christ had come to Earth and created The Rise of Skywalker, I’d have hated the film anyway. The same applies to George.

Well, I’m perfectly aware that Star Wars has not always been Anakin’s Saga since '77, but I actively support the retcon, and I think that the Hexology, as a whole, can be described as Anakin’s Saga, even if Star Wars has not always been so from the beginning. I think that Star Wars intended as “Anakin’s Saga” is perfect, and that no other changes should be made to the ultimate meaning of the Saga, as Disney tried to do. They tried to change the meaning of Star Wars from “Anakin’s Saga” to “The Skywalker Saga”, and that’s something I don’t approve.

Personally the Chosen One Prophecy never bothered me. On the contrary, I think that without it the Hexology would have had less impact on me, and that the ending of Return of the Jedi would be less powerful, at least in my opinion. But of course I respect your opinion guys.

It’s all about a family in the end.

And that’s where the mistake lies in my opinion. The protagonist of the Saga is NOT the Skywalker family as a whole, the protagonist of the Saga is Anakin. George himself said it several times. Anakin is the protagonist of the entire Saga. The moment Anakin dies then the main film Saga ends, because its protagonist is dead and therefore there’s nothing more to tell.

If Leia is the Chosen One in a metaphorical sense (that Is, as the one who restores order in the Galaxy through her office as Chancellor), then for me there is no problem with It. But if she’s the Chosen One in a literal sense, then for me it’s an abomination. There’s only one Chosen One for me, and that’s Anakin Skywalker. Anakin is the Chosen One of the Jedi prophecy, the one who was born to destroy the Sith and bring balance to the Force. The Prophecy has been fulfilled, because he restored balance by destroying the Sith (who were a source of imbalance) and allowing the New Jedi Order to be reborn on the ashes of the old Order, correcting the mistakes made by the old Jedi, allowing the Jedi to live in a more balanced way with their inner self and with the Force itself. Any story that contradicts this fundamental truth isn’t worth of being told in my opinion.

I totally understand your argument about Darth Maul and Luke, but I believe that Darth Maul played his role in The Phantom Menace excellently, and that he shouldn’t have been reused after the film, except to tell stories set before the film itself. His return makes no sense to me, no matter how well it can be done and what the circumstances may be.

I don’t like the whole concept of the Whills. I prefer the Force continuing to be a mystical energy field shrouded in mystery. I don’t want to know how it works. I have nothing against the midichlorians, because their existence doesn’t tell us anything about how the Force works, but the concept of the Whills takes away all the mystery from the Force, and it’s something I don’t like. For the same reasons, I think the entire concept of the Mortis triad is dumb. I’m more than happy with the explanation given in the Darth Plagueis novel about Anakin’s birth, I don’t need a more detailed explanation and I was never interested in having it.

Servii said:

I prefer the worldbuilding and general premise of this trilogy over the sequels we got, by a large margin. However, bringing Maul back would have been a big mistake and would’ve been very confusing for people who are only familiar with the movies. He’d been absent since Episode I, as far as most people are concerned. Him showing up again, and audiences having to watch an animated series to fill in the gap, would be very off-putting for people.

In a way, I’m glad George’s sequel trilogy didn’t get made, since if it was written and created by the man himself, it would be harder to disregard. And he didn’t seem to have a firm idea of what he even wanted the sequels to be (though neither did Disney and Lucasfilm, to be fair). I think a sequel trilogy was something George would toy with and write notes on every few years, but I doubt he ever would have gone through with it, since he’s getting up there in years, wants to spend time with his family, and ultimately, he had more of a story to tell going backwards in time than forwards.

It reminds me of how J.R.R. Tolkien actually started writing a sequel to Lord of the Rings. He wrote the first couple chapters, then scrapped the project when he realized

a) It was depressing and ruined the bittersweet ending he had created

b) It wouldn’t contribute anything substantial or insightful to the Middle-earth mythology. The story was complete. Anything post-LotR would have been anti-climactic.

I think, on some level, George knew his sequel trilogy was never going to happen by his own hand. It was all just ideas and notes. But he did certainly feel blindsided when he realized Disney wasn’t using his treatments (whatever those treatments entailed). Bob Iger himself made that clear, and I’m sure he softened George’s reaction when he described it. I imagine George was fuming. The fact is, Disney didn’t want to spend any time pondering or formulating what their sequel trilogy was going to be. They wanted to push it out as quickly as possible. It was never about the story to them.

I totally agree. Moreover, from 2005 onwards George constantly repeated that the Skywalker Saga was over, that Return of the Jedi was the conclusion, that he didn’t want to write post-ROTJ stories because the Expanded Universe authors had already done that with comics and novels, and that basically Revenge of the Sith would be the last film in the Saga. So, I really doubt that he would have made any more films. Maybe he could have created some spin-off not related to the Skywalker family, but he certainly wouldn’t have created any more Skywalker-based movies, because he constantly repeated for years that there would be no Episode VII, and that the main Star Wars saga is the tragedy of Anakin Skywalker, which begins with The Phantom Menace and ends with Return of the Jedi. The fact that he developed ideas for the Sequel Trilogy doesn’t mean that he would put them into practice. To be honest, I’m glad none of this has ever been put into practice. From a Lore perspective, I like the ideas that George was developing (Luke rebuilds the Jedi Order, Leia becomes the Chancellor of the New Republic, the criminal syndacates try to overthrow the New Republic and make their own interests, etc.). But making Leia the Chosen One is an abomination in my opinion, and bringing Darth Maul back is a colossal idiocy, which I never liked even in TCW. I greatly prefer the Old Expanded Universe post-ROTJ stories over this.

They are more relaxed now, with lots more Star Wars around to talk about, but still very zealot-like when it comes to their love for Special Editions.

Well, to be honest, I prefer the Special Editions too. I’m in favour of the restoration of the theatrical cuts for a matter of historical preservation, but from a subjective point of view I prefer the 2004 Special Editions (except for some small changes which in my opinion weren’t necessary, such as “Jedi Rocks”).

Lots of TFN posters on here now too and everyone is cool.

Yeah, I have an account on their forum too. But I didn’t know that Jedi Council Forums was linked to TFN, because I had never seen the site, but only the forum. I thought the forum and the site weren’t linked, which is why I asked what TFN was. Only yesterday I found out that Jedi Council Forums is TFN’s official forum, but before yesterday I thought they were two separate sites. Well, I feel very comfortable on that forum, in the same way I feel very comfortable on this forum. In fact, I think this forum is even better, because here you can edit your posts indefinitely, while on JCF you can’t edit anything.

TFN is an abbreviation for theforce.net, a Star Wars forum created around the same time as this site. These two forums have always had opposing perspectives on the franchise: while this site is more focused on OT purism and criticizing the flaws with modern SW, TFN is more accepting of the modern state of the franchise, especially when it comes to the prequel era. There’s a lot less of a rivalry between those sites now than there used to be, but that difference in attitudes is still there.

I support a middle ground between these two opposing positions: I’m willing to accept almost everything that came out between 1999 and 2008 (except for everything set after the NJO series), but I’m extremely critical of the state of Star Wars after 2008 (except for a few good stories, like SWTOR, the Darth Bane Trilogy, or The Force Unleashed). From 2014 onwards the situation is simply unbearable to me. So we can say that I’m pro-Prequels, but at the same time I’m also pro-EU, anti-TCW and anti-Disney. The ideas I support are very rare, in fact I often argue even with Prequel fans like me, since the majority of the Prequel fans nowadays are pro-TCW and anti-EU.

I loved your Padme film title post here: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Alternative-Star-Wars-Movie-Titles-Keep-Checking-the-First-Post/id/13439/page/5#1477322 I was off thinking of other similar film titles for other characters after seeing that. 😃

Thank you. ♥️
But you didn’t answer my question: what is TFN? You said it’s a pro-PT site. I’d be interested in taking a look at it…

I think it’s a great trilogy, definitely underrated by most fans. It has its problems, of course, but which film or trilogy has no problems? Come on, even the Original Trilogy has problems, even if no one wants to admit it… Not to mention that, in my opinion, many of those that are classified as problems are not actually problems, but intentional choices of which people often don’t understand the meaning (like the cringe Anakin and Padmé’s romance for example).

Also, as a footnote, I don’t share the view that TCW “saved” the Prequels. On the contrary, I think it ruined them! Before 2008, when the Clone Wars Multimedia Project was still the official story of the Clone Wars, the Prequel Era was definitely better in my opinion. The Expanded Universe greatly enriched the story of the Prequel Era, because it really did follow the films instead of trying to “correct” them based on unnecessary fan “criticism”. I really don’t understand why so many people say they have to watch TCW in order to enjoy ROTS. The opposite happens to me! I mean, I can’t enjoy ROTS knowing that TCW is officially Canon, since seeing ROTS It gives you the impression that Ahsoka never existed and that Maul died in TPM.

I enjoyed reading that, but are those unpopular opinions for a Prequel fan? They appear to be the kind of opinions you find often among PT fans on TFN or other pro-PT sites. Interesting opinions, don’t get me wrong.

They’re not unpopular opinions among Prequel fans, but they’re unpopular opinions on this forum, since many people here criticize the Prequel Trilogy. On the contrary, I call myself a huge Prequel fan. I love the Prequel Trilogy and I think it’s just as awesome as the Original Trilogy, if not even better (at least as far as visuals and worldbuilding are concerned). Also, what’s TFN?

The OT seems like generic random nonsense without the prequels. Still good movies, but disconnected. Vader goes from a mildly concerned calculating mad dog, to a ruthless level headed cold blooded killer who is randomly the hero’s dad, and then he is suddenly a conflicted tragic villain. The inconsistency doesn’t make the most sense on it’s own, but if you watch Revenge of the Sith you see him embody all those traits, and understand why he wouldn’t care about the Empire until he meets his son, and why he would still feel conflicted about something he isn’t invested in… Because he’s been hooked on career performance his entire life, hence his Episode IV characteristics.
He’s been placating his guilt for betraying his friends by committing to a persona of evil and burying his pain beneath a monster, making up for a feeling of lacking control by manipulating the fear in others, hence his Episode V demeanor in response to discovering Luke is Anakin’s son. He wants to convert Luke to evil to validate his own choices and mistakes, and when he can’t he finally sees his choices were always a form of denial of his true feelings, which Luke sensed in him. And together those qualities clarify his Episode VI conflict. There’s a vague arc that seems like wishy washy convenient post plot twist course correction that becomes crystal clear when you see where he came from. It takes something that seems spontaneous and shows how well it was actually planned out.
George would always have to explain the trajectory of Vader’s development, and always said there was a missing element of the originals he wanted have clarified when he was making the prequels. Everything he did with Anakin in the PT was to reenforce the way Vader was depicted in the OT. People thought he was a great villain because he was anything and everything to anyone with a scary design and voice, but George wanted Vader to have a very specific tragedy behind him, and that truly made him the best written villain in a beautifully crafted concrete manner. It’s the exact opposite of how the ST builds off the OT, retroactively making it seem pointless in Episode VII, even trying to make it seem politically incorrect in Episode VIII, and then finally mocking it in Episode IX. Every episode of the PT added to and enriched the OT. I’d consider myself an OT purist, and that’s why I love the PT and hate the ST.

I want to pay homage to one of my favorite characters. So… Here there are my new titles;

Episode I: Padmé’s First Appearance
Episode II: Padmé’s Sexiness
Episode III: Padmé’s Death
Episode IV: Padmé’s Son
Episode V: Padmé Don’t Fit With This Title, But She’s Still F*****g Hot
Episode VI: Padmé Reunites with Anakin

My alternative titles:

1. Star Wars Episode I: Fate of the Galaxy
2. Star Wars Episode II: The Path to Destruction
3. Star Wars Episode III: Fall of the Republic
4. Star Wars Episode IV: A New Path
5. Star Wars Episode V: On the Verge of the Dark Side
6. Star Wars Episode VI: The Rise of Skywalker

The last title refers to Anakin’s redemption, not Luke.

I like The Old Republic MMO, I think everyone can notice it through my nickname. However, while I’m a big fan of the game, I think some parts of the story could have been written better. In my opinion, from the Shadow of Revan expansion the overall storyline of the game, while still being good, has become too convoluted. So, I was thinking about some ideas to rewrite the overall plot of the MMO to make it smoother and less complicated.

My ideas:

1. Completely eliminate Revan and his novel from the story of the game. Revan never met the Sith Emperor, He fell to the Dark Side by his free choice and his mind was not influenced by anyone. The whole plot of his novel is completely erased, he never went to the Unknown Regions and never discovered the existence of the Sith Empire. He died of old age after living a happy life with Bastila and their son. The Revanite religious cult continues to be part of the game’s storyline, and is a threat to both the Republic and the Sith Empire, so the two governments are forced to unite to defeat the Revanite threat, But Revan has nothing to do with the Revanites, because he’s dead and will never come back to life. This way you can pay homage to the Knights of the Old Republic games and make good fanservice without necessarily being forced to “resurrect” Revan and make him a main character again. Also, in this way Revan’s character can have a happy ending.
2. Rewrite Revan’s novel by eliminating Revan. As we know, in the original storyline Revan ventures into the Unknown Regions bringing the Exile with him, and together they discover the Sith Empire. Well, I think it would be a better choice to have only the Exile go to the Unknown Regions, without Revan. I’m not sure what pretext to use to get the Exile forced to go to the Unknown Regions, but in any case she ventures into those unexplored spaces, discovers the Sith Empire and dies at the hands of Vitiate before she can reveal the Empire’s existence to the Republic.
3. Rewrite the storyline of the Eternal Empire. Actually, I think the idea of a third faction is Very interesting, but making Valkorion and Vitiate the same character is too convoluted in my opinion. So, I would like to rewrite the plot of the Eternal Empire expansions making Valkorion a completely new character, which has nothing to do with Vitiate. He created a personal Force cult and a new Order of Force sensitives (the Knights of Zakuul). He wants to conquer the Galaxy by extending the Eternal Empire everywhere, but he’s not a Sith and he’s not Vitiate. Once again, the Republic and the Empire are forced to stop their struggle to unite against a common enemy, that Is Valkorion’s Eternal Empire.
4. Darth Malgus dies on Ilum. The idea that Malgus decides to rebel against the Empire and create his own Empire makes perfect sense, but every time they create a new expansion it turns out that Malgus is still alive. So, I think he should have died permanently on Ilum. Legacy of the Sith and future expansions should be Malgus-free.

What do you think? What are your ideas for rewriting The Old Republic? Do you share my ideas, or do you have ideas different from mine? I would love to know.

My ranking is extremely simple: Revenge of the Sith in first place, and then all the other soundtracks, at the same level, but under Revenge of the Sith. Revenge of the Sith is the best.

I’m more than happy with the Prequel Trilogy George Lucas gave us, with KOTOR, SWTOR and the modern EU. However, I think it would be interesting to imagine the possible alternative stories that the authors could have written. Personally, I think if the Prequels had been developed through books, comics and novels we would have had a story more or less similar to the one we already have. Not quite the same, of course, but similar in many aspects. Probably the Clone Wars would have been developed as originally intended, that is, as a clash between the Republic and an Army of Clones. But I think the whole “Jedi have no attachments” thing would still exist and that it would play an important role in Anakin’s fall. Also, I think Anakin would have fallen to the Dark Side for reasons more or less similar to those we see in the movies. We shouldn’t forget that George Lucas had a certain influence in the EU, so I believe that many of the things we already know now through the Prequels would have been preserved.

I like your idea, but I don’t like all the changes you’ve made to TPM and AOTC (I’m ok with most of the films). So I don’t think I’m very interested. Anyway, I respect your work, because I realize it’s very challenging. Good job! 😊

The most underrated Star Wars story? Four words: Clone Wars Multimedia Project.

I actually agree AOTC is underrated. It feels strange saying that, because for the longest time it was my least favourite Star Wars movie (only dethroned by TROS). I still find it awkward to watch at times, and think parts are badly done, but there are MANY aspects of the basic story premise I think are fantastic. Mixing a romance plot with a detective plot in Star Wars, culminating in an epic display of visual effects in the climactic Battle of Geonosis, is great and I’ve come to respect the movie a lot more than I used to. It’s a very imaginative way to set in motion the rise of the Empire.

I definitely agree. I think Attack of the Clones is the most underrated movie in George’s hexology.

I hate the Dark Empire comics, because they contradict the Chosen One Prophecy and undermind Anakin’s sacrifice in Return of the Jedi, as well as contradicting Luke’s character (he would have never fallen to the Dark Side).

Also, I deeply hate everything that takes place after The New Jedi Order series. The way the handled Jacen’s character in Legacy of the Force, the Abeloth plot and Darth Krayt are all stupid. The universe should have ended with the NJO in my opinion.