Darth Malgus

I have an idea that might interest you. Have you ever thought about creating a TCW fancut/fanedit that could fit into the Clone Wars Multimedia Project and the pre-Filoni lore? If you did, you’d be doing the Expanded Universe fans a huge favor, that Is, the fans who don’t despise TCW at all but prefer the Clone Wars Multimedia Project, that is, the books, the comics, the novels and the video games set during the Clone Wars that were created between 2002 and 2006. Fans like me.
To create such project you should eliminate everything that contradicts the Multimedia Project (no Maul, no Mandalore, no Ahsoka, no Quinlan Vos, no Barriss Offee, etc.) and keep only the TCW episodes in which Ahsoka is not shown and in which the protagonists are only Anakin and Obi-Wan, such as the episode set on Pantora and a few others. You should eliminate the episodes in which the Clones are too more Independent either.

Is there a fan edit that combines the episodes of the first season of The Mandalorian to turn them into a single movie? I’m not a fan of the second season, I don’t like the new series that are coming out and I don’t like the direction that Lucasfilm has taken regarding the live-action series. Everything I save of The Mandalorian (and the other live-action series) is the first season, so I would like to know if there is a fan edit that combines the episodes of the first season and turn them into one self-contained movie, that is, a movie that doesn’t need a continuation and isn’t connected with the second season.

Honestly I don’t think the edit you’re looking for exists. I would suggest learning how to fan edit yourself and making it. I’m sure others who have similar tastes to you would appreciate it.

Unfortunately, I can’t do it, because I have very low eyesight. Besides, I’m barely capable of editing a Mr Incredible meme video, I could never edit a whole movie… However I don’t lose hope, I’m sure that what I’m looking for exists somewhere.

I wrote what I think of Hal 9000’s The Approaching Storm in the dedicated thread. In summary, no, that’s not what I’m looking for. Also, I like the duel between Yoda and Dooku, so I don’t think Octorox’s fan edit is for me either.

I just finished watching The Approaching Storm. So…

I liked the fact that you added the deleted scenes of Mace Windu and Obi-Wan on the platform, Padmé with her parents and the opening scene of Padmé in the Senate;
I liked the fact that you removed the scene where Anakin confesses to Padmé that he killed the sand people;
I appreciate that you removed “You’re exactly the way I remember you in my dreams”. I think the dialogue in the movie isn’t as bad as everyone says, but I’ve always hated that line;
I liked the way you rearranged some scenes, for example putting the scene where Anakin and Padmé are talking on the grass before their kiss, and not after, or putting the scene where Anakin levitates the apple with the Force before their kiss, and not after;
I liked that you removed the sand line. That line never really bothered me, but I think that if it didn’t exist, the scene would be smoother.

However, I think the other cuts were unnecessary, for example the cut of the scene where it’s implied that Boba is a Clone. I don’t think it was necessary to cut that scene, just as I don’t think it was necessary to cut the scene in which Mace Windu says that the Jedi have a clouded mind because of the Dark Side, or even the scene in which Yoda feels Anakin’s pain.
Also, I think that the fact that Padmé regrets kissing Anakin and immediately interrupts their kiss makes sense, because after all she wanted to put her duties as a Senator before her personal feelings. It is only at “the end” of the movie that she completely lets go and recognizes in front of Anakin her feelings. For this same reason, I think that cutting out the scene where Anakin and Padmé were talking in front of the fireplace was a mistake. I understand that scene can be heavy because of the monologue and the Shakespearean dialogue, but that scene is essential, for the same reasons I talked about right now.
Besides, I think it was unnecessary to cut the scene with the Jedi younglings. First of all because I find it super cute, and secondly because if that scene isn’t there, then how do you explain Obi-Wan finding Kamino? I mean, we see literally just a few seconds before Jocasta Nu tolding him the System didn’t exist, but it’s only because of the Jedi younglings scene that we know how he found it.
In summary, I think all the other changes you’ve made, other than the ones I’ve listed and said I like, are unnecessary. I appreciate your editing work and respect your vision, but I think this fan edit is not what I’m looking for. In my opinion the perfect fan edit of Attack of the Clones is a fan edit that only changes the things I’ve listed before, leaving the rest of the movie exactly as it is.

StarkillerAG said:

Darth Malgus said:

StarkillerAG said:

Sounds like Hal 9000’s The Approaching Storm edit would be perfect for you. It does pretty much the exact same things you suggested, and it’s one of the most conservative edits of the movie out there.

I have heard about this fan edit, but unfortunately I have never been able to find it, because from what I understand it is not freely accessible.

It is, you just have to PM the creator. Go to the editor’s profile, click “send private message”, and type in a request for his edit folder. That system is how almost all edit links are distributed on this site.

I should see if he is still active… Anyway I will try. Thank you!

StarkillerAG said:

Sounds like Hal 9000’s The Approaching Storm edit would be perfect for you. It does pretty much the exact same things you suggested, and it’s one of the most conservative edits of the movie out there.

I have heard about this fan edit, but unfortunately I have never been able to find it, because from what I understand it is not freely accessible.

Unlike many members of this forum, I really like Attack of the Clones. I think it’s a really good film, and I don’t agree with a lot of the criticisms leveled at it, especially the criticisms of the love story between Anakin and Padmé. However, although I like the film as it is, I think there are small changes that, if made, could make me appreciate the film even more. If I were good at creating fan edits, these would be the changes I would make to Attack of the Clones:

Cut the sand line;
Cut the scene where Anakin confesses to Padmé that he killed the sand people. Anakin kills the sand people, but doesn’t confess It to Padmé;
Move the scene where Anakin and Padmé are talking on the grass. I think that scene should be moved and put before the two of them kiss, and not after;
Move the scene where Anakin makes the apple levitate with the Force, I think that scene should be put before the two of them kiss, and not after.

Well, I would like to know if you are aware of the existence of a fan edit accessible for free and that has these changes, but that leaves the rest of the film as it is. Unfortunately, there are so many fan edits on the internet that if I had to look for them all, then I would never find what I’m looking for.

Darth Maul was conceived to be a generic villain with no personality, and was purposely characterized that way. Before TCW, Maul was a representation of how the Sith cared nothing for their apprentices and how for Sidious all those around him, other than himself, were expendable. Darth Maul was just another tool of Sidious, he was absolutely expendable and could be replaced at any time. Maul was nobody, and that’s basically what the Sith see in others: they don’t see other people, they just see tools to achieve their goals that can be replaced at any time. Darth Maul was supposed to be a representation of the cruelty of the Sith, and it was the fact that he had no personality that made him an interesting and deep character. Not every villain need to have a great personality to get a message across. But, in my opinion, thanks to Maul’s resurrection TCW has somehow ruined the purpose of this character in the films and in the pre-2008 Expanded Universe. I don’t care if the fact that he survived the fall makes sense or not. He had a purpose within the story, and once this purpose has been achieved it makes no sense to continue his story. The same applies to Palpatine, both in the Sequels and Dark Empire: I don’t care if the fact that he survived makes sense or not. He had a purpose within the story, and once this purpose has been achieved there is no need to continue and resurrect him.

I don’t want to consider either the Sequels or the other films created under the Disney direction of Lucasfilm, except Rogue One. So my ranking will include only the 6 original films created by George Lucas and Rogue One. My ranking will have a descending order, and it will go from the movie I like the most to the one I like the least.

1. Revenge of the Sith
2. The Empire Strikes Back
3. Attack of the Clones
4. Rogue One
5. The Phantom Menace
6. Return of the Jedi
7. A New Hope

I think the Prequel Trilogy and the Original Trilogy are on the same level, I don’t like one more than the other. But, individually, I like the Prequel Trilogy films more than the Original Trilogy ones, mainly because the Original Trilogy films have aged rather badly in my opinion. Besides, I disagree with many of the criticisms of the Prequels.

There was no father.

In the Darth Plagueis novel it’s said that Anakin was created by the Force itself. Darth Plagueis was experimenting with the midiclorians and with the Force to uncover the secret of immortality, but the Force wasn’t willing to be manipulated, so it reacted creating Anakin in Shmi’s womb for the purpose of destroying the Sith who were manipulating the Force, violating the laws of nature. Personally I was never bothered by the virgin birth of Anakin, indeed I always found it a very interesting idea, and to be honest I would have liked much less the idea of Anakin having a father like everyone else. The fact that he was created directly by the Force makes the character much more interesting in my opinion.

Revenge of the Sith. Gets to the point and Is very powerful.

NeverarGreat said:

I’m speaking of the Clone Wars TV show, where Anakin is by this point orphaned and the trained warriors are the clones.

Then I missunderstood everything! Sorry… 😂

Trouble is, without her disappearing in the middle of their duel, for Ahsoka to survive she would have either beaten Vader or Vader would have spared her life, neither of which are ideal. I’ll see what comes in her story next but if it isn’t as imaginative as I want it to be, maybe she should indeed have died in that duel.

I don’t like the idea of her dying, because she’s one of my favorite characters, so I’d like her to stay alive. 😂

“A group of trained warriors decide to protect the life of a genetically important orphan with unusual mental powers while fighting in a conflict created by Sheev Palpatine, and through this they form an unconventional family.”

Except Anakin in TPM isn’t an orphan and the Jedi are not mercenaries or smugglers. 😂

So…

1. Dave Filoni is overrated. I enjoy what he’s done, but he takes forever to develop his characters, plot, and to tell an actual story; I think Bad Batch was the worst about this. He also relies on the exact same premise for all of his shows: “A group of mercenaries doing mercenary things adopt a young mysterious orphan and form a family”. Rebels, The Mandalorian and The Bad Batch are just reskins of the same exact show; even TCW could be argued to fall into this trope. Also, I think that people who say that he should run Star Wars are wrong. In my opinion Dave Filoni represents everything you don’t want in someone who is managing an existing franchise. He’s the type of person who wants the benefits of working in an existing franchise without any of the restrictions or responsibilities that come with it. A ‘creative’ who enters the world of an existing franchise like Star Wars inherits a fan base, prestige, budget, characters, and a world without putting in an ounce of effort. They don’t have to try and weave important information into their stories while balancing things like pace. It’s an enormous advantage. It’s not without some drawbacks and restrictions though. A new comer should have to fit their story within the pre-built framework. When a creative comes in and alters the framework, it reduces it’s value. When the message to the fans is “everything matters until it doesn’t”, then fans start asking “then why should I care?”
2. The Mandalorian isn’t actually that good of a show. I’d rate it a 7/10 at best. The only reason it got popular was because it was the “first Star Wars live action show” & Baby Yoda; both of which were novelties. On it’s own, it’s a boring, slowly paced, and lackluster story with boring environments/locations and characters. The best episodes are ones that feature characters from other material or tie into the larger story of the post-ROTJ New Canon.
3. The existence of the Ahsoka’s TV series makes no sense. In my opinion after her duel with Darth Vader Ahsoka should not have appeared in any other series. The end of the second season of Rebels would have been perfect as the character’s ending, and I don’t think there was any need to put her in any other series anymore. That doesn’t mean they should have killed her. No. She could have survived the duel against Vader, but at the same time she should no longer appear anymore, because in my opinion after that duel there was nothing more to tell, the circle was complete. In fact, Ahsoka actually SURVIVED the duel against Vader. If you carefully observe the last scene of the last episode of the second season of Rebels you can notice that, after the duel against Vader, Ahsoka comes out of the Sith Temple. Later that scene was retroactively explained through the World between Worlds, but it was an unnecessary explanation. If they had just said that after the duel against Vader she survived and decided to live a quiet and happy life away from the great galactic conflicts, I honestly think it would have been much better than to resurrect her to infinity, put her in all the new series and over-exploiting the character. Deciding to continue the character’s story only damaged the character itself. I don’t know what you think, but the character I saw in The Mandalorian was not Ahsoka Tano, it was a completely different person who looks like Ahsoka and moves like Ahsoka, but who is NOT Ahsoka. They realized that Ahsoka = nostalgia = fan appreciation = money, and so they’re putting the character everywhere and consequently they’re ruining her. For me Ahsoka’s story ends with her duel against Vader. That’s all.
4. TCW is vastly overrated by a large portion of the fanbase. It’s a good show and has some great arcs, but a lot of fans act like it’s the greatest thing ever made that you have to love. I cringe when I see them hyping it up to newer fans and pressuring them watch it. Sometimes they’re disappointed in it, or just not into it, then they get criticized for not loving it. Until Maul appears there’s hardly any forward thrust to the narrative, besides maybe Ahsoka’s development. That’s three whole seasons without a sense of direction. Every character just exists in a sort of stasis. Stories are told out of order, Ventress and Grievous never get a proper introduction to the heroes. I get that they’re random adventures, but for me personally it just doesn’t work at all. The later stuff mostly fixes this, and I still like the show as a whole - when the story takes off it goes to incredible heights! - but I’m kinda baffled by how loved it is. I get the impression that many fans act as if TCW is only season 7, forgetting all the show’s flaws. Again, I think it’s a very good show, but I think at the same time that saying it’s the best Star Wars we’ve got since The Empire Strikes Back is sheer madness. I honestly prefer the Clone Wars Multimedia Project over TCW: more impactful stories, better consistency with the films, Anakin actually having character development, Jedi are given more complex personalities that are explored. The Multimedia Project has is flaws too, but in my opinion is better than TCW.
5. I think Meetra Surik deserved a better ending and didn’t get a fair treatment in the Revan novel and in The Old Republic MMO. However, I don’t think the Revan novel and The Old Republic ruined Revan, and although I don’t like the ending that was given to Meetra Surik I really appreciate the video game and the Revan novel, and I don’t understand why many within the KOTOR community hate SWTOR. I think it’s a very good video game with a very interesting plot. Honestly I like what SWTOR did with Revan and I find it much more interesting than a possible boring “Revan wins” ending.
6. Creating a Sequel Trilogy doesn’t make any sense, no matter who created it. The Star Wars story is the story of the rise and fall of Anakin Skywalker, Anakin is the protagonist of the Saga. The moment the protagonist dies, then the Saga ends and there’s nothing more to say, there’s no need to continue. After the conclusion of the Prequel Trilogy and the realization of the Hexology no other films should have been created to continue the story of the Skywalker family, because the film story of the Skywalkers ended with Return of the Jedi. That’s it. The Disney Sequel Trilogy is a disaster, but even if it was George Lucas who created the Sequels it would be a mistake, because the Sequels shouldn’t exist regardless.

I prefer the Clone Wars Multimedia Project over TCW and affiliated media, but I like Ahsoka as a character, so I like to think she existed. In my head-canon, she has the same personality as her Rebels version and the same physical appearance as her own adult version that is seen in the Mortis arc in TCW. She was trained by a random master who has never been seen in the films and was never part of the Council, one master among many, and was appointed as a Jedi Knight before the Battle of Geonosis. During the Clone Wars, she was 22 years old (the same age as Anakin in ROTS) and was in command of her own battalion of Clones. She fought heroically during the war, as she was convinced that it was necessary to restore peace to the Galaxy and defeat the Separatists and the Sith. However, during the course of the war she began to mature ideological and philosophical differences with the Jedi Order and begun to convince herself that the strict rules of the Order were wrong, so much so that she started to develop feelings for one of her commanders. She even planned to leave the Order and go her own way after the war, but unfortunately she was killed during Order 66. She never had anything to do with Anakin, Obi-Wan, Padmé, etc.

EDIT: Triple post

EDIT: Double post.

Nothing. I don’t want Disney to recanonize things to make them worse.

Rodney-2187 said:

I was never a big fan of the old EU. I never considered any of it canon. It never seemed like real Star Wars to me as a kid. I think making a few of the best aspects canon like Thrawn is the best way to go.

I think exactly the opposite. I mean, the moment you decanonize the Expanded Universe with the pretext of more “creative freedom” then you cannot steal concepts, characters and events from the Expanded Universe, because It’s not only unfair to the authors who wrote the books and the comics, but it’s also contradictory to the motivation for which you decanonized the Expanded Universe in the first place.

Creating fan edits of novels seems like a really good idea to me! This way, we can not only create Canon versions of the Legends books, but also Legends versions of the Canon books. Also, we can take the Legends books that have TCW references in them and remove these references, so that these books can fit with the pre-Filoni and pre-TCW lore. For example, we can take the Darth Plagueis novel and modify it, eliminating all references to the TCW lore (Darth Maul born on Dathomir, etc).

SparkySywer said:

The movies say it was in a galaxy far, far away though

I already explained it in my initial post. Imagine that you are a member of an alien civilization that lives outside the Milky Way in a distant future from our present. Then for you, the events that happened in the Milky Way will have happened a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. The Star Wars story is told by an extra-galactic civilization that lives in the distant future, so for them the events that happen in the Milky Way are events that happened a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. The initial intro is written from their point of view, not from the point of view of the present human species.

Actually the Star Wars Galaxy is our galaxy, and we never see the Earth in Star Wars stories simply because our planet is in the Unknown Regions, and therefore it was never discovered by the Republic or by all the other galactic governments. The classic intro “A long time ago in a galaxy far far away” is NOT written from our point of view, but from the point of view of an extragalactic (extra-Milky Way) civilization that lives in a very distant future.

Also, TCW, The Bad Batch, Rebels, Rogue One and The Mandalorian are TV series and movies, exactly like in our real world. I mean, what really happened during the Clone Wars and during the Empire Era is told in the Expanded Universe books and comics, while TCW, The Bad Batch, Rebels, Rogue One and The Mandalorian are simply TV series and movies created within the Galaxy itself, to tell in an entrataining way the events of Galactic history. These series and movies contradict the real history because they are entertainment products, and therefore don’t have to be historically accurate. These series and films were created by the Galactic Alliance between the end of the Yuuzhan Vong War and the Sith-Imperial War of the Legacy comics. They are the equivalent of “Inglourious Basterds”, “Vickings” and “Rome” in the Star Wars universe, that is, they are series and movies that are set in times that have really existed and tell some real stories, but they mostly contradict the real history because they’re entertainment series, and therefore they don’t have to be historically accurate and meticulous.

Tartakovsky’s Clone Wars. I initially disliked It, but I gradually changed my mind over time, and now I like it a lot.

In my opinion the best EU works are:

The Tales of the Jedi comics;
Knights of the Old Republic I & II;
Star Wars: The Old Republic;
The Republic comics;
Tartakovsky’s Clone Wars;
Labyrinth of Evil;
The Force Unleashed;
The Thrawn Trilogy.

In general, my favorite eras of the Star Wars universe are the Prequel Era and the Old Republic Era.