vaderios said:
Spice addiction, a'la Dune ?
Darth Editous said:
Caption competition time!
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Hello everyone! Look at me! I'm Anthony Daniels !
Darth Chronus said:
That's great Angel - maybe we should have something coming out of the ground that's projecting that holo - and when he turns to face Vader he can switch it off and the thing that's projecting it can retract back into the floor or something :)
There are greeblies on the top/front of the throne, just above the Emperor's head. Two identical things right next and right left of the center. These could well be made into holoprojectors.
As to the Endor moon being visible outside the window: The throne room is located on the top of a tower at the Death Star's north pole. The main window would face deep space and the space battle - not Endor. I think that one or both side windows could face Endor, though.
darthmunky said:
His skin actually looks real in ROTJ. In ROTS, it looks like he's wearing a rubber mask and has 2 yellow pennies in his eyes.
I agree. The first time I saw a picture of the ROTS makeup, I thought it could have been a fan-made mockup or a make-up test, not the final makeup for the movie ...
Darth Solo said:
The mono colouring shines up like a shiney new penny for the main part of the image (although its not really mono).
Sorry, but I think it looks like "Sky Captain ...". Stylistic, not real. Hues of grey are never perfect grey in real life, we just think of them as being that. I look out the window from where I am sitting right now, and the snowy hillside outside me has hues of blue and magenta where it is reflecting more of the blue sky than direct sunlight.
Everyone knows that snow is white, so we think of it as looking white, when no object (apart from a lamp) actually has any colour of its own - only what colours it is reflecting.
The Emperor's throne room is lit by lamps of various colours, by Endor's atmosphere and by starlight -- stars shine in all hues, not just white.
The blue tint of the set also reflects the general mood in the movie when Luke enters the throne room. Everything the Rebels are doing at this point is going bad: on Endor, in the space battle and on the Death Star.
I think that you should keep some color in the Emperor's Throne Room. Not as blue as on the DVD's, but not totally black and white as in the pictures seen above.
That set does have a blue tinge to it. You can see it on VHS, laserdisc and still photographs taken from the set if you look for it.
Some panels are bluer than others. It has to do with light, also. If you instead of desaturating the entire set, do try to have different amounts of saturation on different parts of the set, you would get a much richer picture.
fishmanlee said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHy0o3S6zU0
V.2 of my Reconstruction of the deleted scene of luke building his new lightsaber ...
It is not certain that the scene was actually deleted. More, not completed.
The droids were shot, standing outside the cave looking in. C-3PO and R2-D2 talked with eachother, but not with Luke. This was done late in the production. Anthony Daniels has told me this personally.
Mark Hamill has said in interviews that he was never part of shooting this scene and that he never provided dialogue for a stand-in.
The origin of the Elstreeprops ROTJ lightsaber that comes apart is dubious. It is likely that it was never part of the movie production at all. We do know, however, that the original "hero" prop was modified after the "I See That You Have Constructed A New Lightsaber" scene, to have a higher control box with a circuit board that can be slid out, revealing electronics inside. The "hero" prop in this state is the one that is showcased in Lucasfilms various exhibitions and is the one that Master Replicas has replicated. There are pictures of the "hero" here: http://www.partsofsw.com/jedsab.htm
Anyway.. If someone still wants to create this scene with a new actor and a lightsaber like the one from Elstreeprops, then there is someone (outside Elstreeprops) who is building replicas of it: http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=77321 . If one could not be bought, then perhaps one could be borrowed from one that buys it...
Several good reasons for removing the scene have already been mentioned above. Here are a few more:
Is there anything in this scene's favour, you think? I can not see this scene as anything but redundant.
Gaffer Tape said:
However, I agree that it makes more sense that Han is simply hiding out on a planet far removed from the crime boss (planet that's the farthest from the bright center of the universe), and Greedo just happened to track him down.
Good point!
Btw. In the EU, Jabba's clan does not live much on Tatooine. He just inhabits the Bo'Marr monks' convent for a while (until the monks turn on the remaining entourage after Jabba's death).
Correction made in edit: The Boba Fett suit in ANH-SE was worn by Mark Austin, not Don Bies. Don Bies (great guy btw. I've met him in person. :D ) wore the suit in some shots inserted into the ROTJ-SE.
The hands are robotic. I think that even if they would have been made from common steel, they would have absorbed the bolts from a simple hand blaster. The bolts would probably have damaged the hands beyond repair, but I find it likely that Vader has spares of his robotic parts on board the Executor, in any case.
He used the Force to help catch the bolts, that for certain.
vaderios said:
The pic on the right looks like a shot from "Sky Captain"... or from "The Halfblood Prince". I know the original pic has a blue tint, but the mockup is worse IMHO.
I hate about half the EU and love the rest. There is no middle-ground for me.
My advice to anyone interested in picking up a Star Wars book is to read up a little about it first, and then pick and choose the things that you think would appeal to you. Then just ignore the rest, like it doesn't exist. You can find synopsises and reviews online before going to the book store.
I especially dislike when things familiar from the movies come back, again and again. Boba Fett and the Emperor are resurrected. People meet at Cloud City of the backwater planet of Bespin or on the even more backwater outer-rim planet of Tatooine for some peculiar reasons, again and again. I find the concept of Yuuzhan Vong ("New Jedi Order" books) to be almost blasphemic -- does not feel like Star Wars at all. The Ewok movies, I won't even admit to their existence.
I can recommend the X-wing book series and the "Tales" books, which I have enjoyed very much. The X-wing books are mostly about Wedge Antilles and how the Rebellion fights remnants of the divided Empire after ROTJ. These books tell about the characters that stood in the background in the movies and add a few more. I also like the Darth Bane books -- about the Sith a thousand years before TPM.
I also want to say that I think that the books and comic books about the Clone Wars that came out between the release of AOTC and ROTS are much better than the current "The Clone Wars" TV-series and its related books and comics. (even though I think that Karen Traviss is a great sci-fi writer.. I am reading her non-SW books cover to cover). The slightly older books had more depth to the characters -- they were not black and white.(and Asajj Ventress was a hot messed-up girl, not just an ugly evil bitch..). Lucasfilm made an effort here to keep continuity in check between different mediums to a higher degree than before or after: hardcover books, comic books, TV-cartoon (Genndy Tartakovsky) and web-comics.
*sigh*
Fans obsess more about these details than GL does ... ;)
Anyway... The Emperor being 85 in SOTE seems to be about right, if we start counting from Ian McDiarmid's real age in TPM (age 55), add 10 years until the Clone Wars, and then 20 to the OT. Although, I think there are also a couple of them between ANH and SOTE.
I would think that using the Dark Side of the Force also speeds up aging for both The Emperor and Darth Vader.
As to the general citizens: There are many races, living in many environments. Not all of them are living on Chandrila or Alderaan with it's low, wealthy population and clean air. Many are living lives full of stress, drugs, pollution with an unhealthy diet and lack of exercise like humans on Earth in the real world.
doubleofive said:
TheBoost said:
doubleofive said:
I like the shots and ideas, but the quality is pretty bad. Maybe as small elements somewhere, but unless someone can scale it up to 720p (the presumed res of RotJ:R) and it not be obvious, they might not be usable.
What is needed to to up the size of something like that?
A high definition copy of the Ewok movies, which don't exist (and would be an abomination if they got a full restoration and the OUT didn't). Maybe it could be done with sharpening filters, but I'm not sure zooming in on those images could be salvaged from their already fuzzy and compressed 480p source.
I don't think that zooming is necessary.
I expect the ROTJ:R to be in 2.35:1 aspect (or close to it) frame in a 720p 16:9 square pixel format. That is actually only 545 pixels vertically which is only ~13.3% more than the 480p vertical resolution of CoC.
I think that the CoC ewoks could be added at 1:1 scale into a background with more foliage and not look too small. Because CoC is in 4:3, you would have to add more foliage around them anyway.
adywan said:
I agree with Adywan here, for the most part. I think that Luke is just a little bit more to the left in the window, but not as far left as Angel things it is.
By the way.. I think that blue and red moving highlights could appear on the bare metal tubes on the back wall!
vaderios said:
It looks uber retro.
*shakes Vaderios*
BUT THAT IS WHAT IS SOOO COOL ABOUT THE STAR WARS COMPUTER PANELS!
*sigh*
Ghost said:
Does anyone think that Vader's entrance in the Hoth battle is weak? He comes out of nowhere.
I agree to a bit. I think this was discussed very briefly a long time ago in this thread, or in the "wish list" thread. One suggestion, as I remember it was that there would be a shot where the AT-ATs were followed by a landing shuttle or star destroyer emerging from the cloudy sky. (or is it just in my head?)
Bingowings said:
It might also be nice to have some ANH style Alderaanian troops around.
At least there is a tech with a ANH-style helmet seen in the hanger later when Han and Lando talk.
By the way, that shot has some issues. The first one is color (at least, on the DVD). There are also scale/overlap issues with a few pilots in the background. However, there is very little source material available for them.. and that even includes fans with costumes. Perhaps a few seconds from the ending of the Rebel Assualt II video game could be used.. but I am doubtful.
Darth Chronus said:
That is obviously a fan in bad fan-made costume. There are so many things wrong with it: The inaccurate collar, the button on the cuff, the Biker Scout glove, the tool pocket on the wrong arm is square, the chest box is black and blocky, lack of flap beind the shoulder on the flight suit .. and he is wielding a ANH version of the lightsaber, plus the sleeve looks kinda weird. I think that the fan is quite a bit heftier than Luke was...
Plus... Luke never wore that particular costume in ESB. He wore the Snowspeeder pilot costume, with the orange jacket on top of the flight suit. He is seen zipping up the flight suit, but before putting the jacket on, though.
The flak vest is the only part of that costume that looks good.. but Luke's actual flak vest in ESB was a little bit different.
Edit: The end of the light saber should look like that from that particular angle, but .. The real lightsaber is exactly 1.5" in diameter and the hand is out of proportion. The lightsaber should be about 30% larger to match the hand. That is also a weird grip: The optimal grip would be with the control box on the opposite side of the palm.
fishmanlee said:
NEW VERSION WITH EFFECTS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8oUlmWwR0o
I much prefer the original music. It is one of my favourites from ROTJ. It is also a little bit apprehensive and nervous, but full of spirit, like the scene.
There are people who are very much against what I am about to suggest:
It is known by prop-freaks (such as myself) that Luke used at least four separate lightsaber props, plus the one that was shot out of R2-D2. The prop in the "I see that you have constructed a new lightsaber" scene is commonly known as the "Hero". A variation of this (modified after filming) is what has been replicated and sold by Master Replicas.
I suggest that the other lightsaber props be edited to look more like the "hero", wherever possible. One of the props on the sail barge (known in prop-circles as the "Yuma saber") is very much like the "hero saber", but it lacks a circuit board and some of the gold paint has rubbed off. The one on the Emperor's chair has a knob that is not present on any of the others.
Bingowings said:
As for the holotable adding a bit of under seat lighting does put a bit more life into the set:
I think that darkening the room and adding glow is unnecessary, but this is an interesting idea. I would prefer it to be more subtle, though, like there are shimmering rays that become visible only occasionally to indicate that the image is being drawn by laser beams. Like how the light from a movie projector looks in a dusty room, or how falling raindrops would look upside-down.
Here is a pic that I found on a site. (Hot-linked.. but I'm lazy):
Back to Echo Base:
If I were Adywan (with his skills and equipment), I would add tiny red dots moving on the white lines. Let the red dots represent enemy ships and let the white lines represent the various ships' orbits and trajectories.
The concentric circles would be the blockade orbiting Hoth, with the Star Destroyers evenly distributed on them.
The curve arching out from the middle could be the transport's course. Add a green dot that slowly moves up the line from the center to the circle.
When the Star Destroyer's red dot meets the transport's course, then it is time to lower the shield and fire the Ion Cannon.
Perhaps the shield could also be represented somehow on the panel.
No, the point of Fett being on the Sail Barge is so that Han Solo can back at him ... even though it was fumbled. I prefer it the way it is.
In a discussion on another forum, it was mentioned that the pilot's chest boxes in ESB change from scene to scene. These are goofs that could be changed.
Let only Sev Zenesca have a chest box with a red and a green square button. Change all others so that the rightmost two square buttons are always blue and the others white: Especially Luke's.
Darth Venal said:he "skin" doesn't look enough like Mark Hamill's skin, it doesn't match, so the prosthetic is too obvious.
The hand in the picture is a real hand... but it is not Mark Hamill's hand. He was not present when the closeup effects shot was shot.
Timstuff said:I think that the "deadness" that some people have complained about with the prosthetic could be solved by adding a bit of red around the edges, though.
The upper arm is also too thick and cylindrical. It needs to taper so that the wrist has a more natural shape.
I think also that some very slight movement could be added when the actor flexes the hand and wrist muscles.
Oldfan said:It looks like there are already some small red l.e.d. lights inside his arm, so if ady wanted to add a little something to the shot, he could probably just make a couple of the lights blink once or twice and that would be enough. The whole glowy blue neon thing, while cool-looking, seems to be too much.
Indicator lights should be there to indicate something. It would make sense to lit a red light only to warn if there is a malfunction or risk of overstressing in the hand.
When industrial designers put a blinking/strobing/pulsating light in a device that is idle just for aesthetics, users complain and hand in the device for service or return it to the store.
Anakin had to settle for a metal prosthetic, wheras only 20 years later, it's possible for someone to get a bionic hand that looks like the real thing.
Btw.. Anakin's robotic hand starts lower down on his arm in ROTS than where Dooku made the cut it in AOTC..
An in-universe explanation for this goof could be to say that they were able to regenerate parts of the body near the trauma. A section of Anakin's arm -- the skin on Luke's hand.
I have not seen any galaxy/"birth of a star" posted in this thread that looks better than what was already in the movie. Just leave it!
ladyferry said:I watched the sequence ten or so times after your post, and you can clearly see (especially when doing it frame by frame or in slow motion) R2-D2 'floating' down the stairs. He is obviously suspended on wires during the sequence to make it look as if he waddles down the stairs.
Why don't someone build him a wheelchair lift!?
Darth Venal said:Okay here's a nearer-to-complete matte for the Death Star hangar bay. I've replaced the shuttle with a model shot and layered back some of the finer detail from the original painting. I'm pretty happy with it.
Oh, I like the shuttle and Endor in the background!
Something that I still think stand out like a sore thumb are the soldiers in the back. They look like ghosts. Can they be made to look like the other soldiers?
Could the hole in the floor be lit more? Perhaps add some glow?
I think that the color of the walls could still be tweaked just a little bit. The walls are still a little bit purple and some highlights in the floor are still a bit more blue than the walls. Perhaps add just a little bit blue to the walls. Just a small step - not even halfway to how it is on the DVD. The walls are grey, but they are lit by a cold light.
Don't forget moving landing lights in the floor and patrolling TIE fighters outside.
vaderios said:
I agree with that we should see the "sanctuary moon"'s planet somewhere, and a shot with an angle that is not seen much again would be a good opportunity. It could also be seen in the background Tantive IV's approach.
But I think that the planet should look smaller than Endor. Compare with how the Earth looks from the Moon. Also, the shot must not be too cluttered if the audience is going to be able to spot the Death Star and if the feeling is going to be retained that the Rebels are racing for a lone, unprotected Death Star and not arriving in the thick of something.
I am not sure if you intended to make the interior darker.. but it gave me an idea for another subtle change: How about making the part of the Home One outside the window in a slightly more grey hue than the interior window frame? The interior is white in other pics and the ship looks gray on the outside.
