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Ebaillargeon82 said:
Darth Id said:
Which release even features the mono soundtrack?
The 1977 release.
Okay so are you seeking the impressions of time travelers, or the reflections from people's 37 year-old memories?
Please do not get your hopes up that this will happen.
The climax of the Con is more likely to be the keynote speaker announcing that Adam from Girls will indeed go shirtless in Episode VII!!!!!!!
Edit: For a little perspective, look at this note regarding the mono soundtrack included in the new Criterion release of A Hard Day's Night. For a real restoration/recreation of the OT, this same painstaking process would need to be done not just for the soundtrack, but for the entire film and optical effects. There's no way anyone is doing this in the throes of EPISODE VII hyperventilation:
In consultation with Lester, the monaural soundtrack was restored from digitally archived optical elements. These sources included fragments of surviving productions stems and the print master that yielded much of the dialogue and effects material for the new 5.1 surround mix. This restoration would not have been possible without the generous contributions of archivists and engineers who evaluated a vast range of surviving audio elements in Hollywood, Abbey Road Studios, at the BFI and in Lester’s personal collection. Most of the digital transfers of these elements were done at the NT Audio Video Film Labs in Santa Monica, California. Unfortunately, the most complete sources were unusably overmodulated, and the cleaner sources were incomplete. By combining different elements of similar character, a new master was carefully reconstructed. As some sources exhibited dramatically different tonal character and even alternate effect mixes, Lester’s participation was critical in determining which version was the correct one. The track was assembled and synchronized with the new video master in Pro Tools Hd. Chronic overmodulation, with resultant distortion and sibilance, was gently mitigated, and hum not common to all sources was attenuated. Dropouts and other indications of decay were repaired on a case-by-case basis, taking care to preserve the documentary character of the film.
I hardly think either Disney or Fox gives any significant thought to these lost cinematic gems. It's all about more! newer! flashier! explosionier! Abramsier! Hot-starlettier!
Maybe a 40th Anniversary SW/box set in 2017. But then I'd expect an effort perhaps slightly less slapdash than GOUT. More likely still is practically eternal languishment.
Which release even features the mono soundtrack?
Tyrphanax said:
As an aside, I never understood the mentality of putting images of scantily-clad or naked women up everywhere, be it posters, calendars, or desktops. Seems weird.
Of course you never understood it.
You're a robot.
A gay robot.
AntcuFaalb said:
Octorox said:
This is not true. The O-negs of the films are still conformed to the 97 theatrical versions.
It's my understanding that this is still conjecture at this point, despite what has been written on it over the years.
I'm sensing that the consensus on this board is resignation that it is true. It was never "conjecture," but rather crediting what Georgie seemed to be saying.
Very sad.
Fang Zei said:
Even if this Atlanta screening ends up being one of the old prints/dcp's, this news about RMW is still significant. It means that for the first time in an entire decade we have confirmation that there's been a new scan of the o-neg of Star Wars, even if it is just the Special Edition 4.0.
If it is for any un-de-specialized anything, then the news is entirely insignificant to me.
doubleofive said:
So, possibilities:
A. Brand new scan of the ON, with all original optical effects recomposited. (the original plan for the SE; unlikely due to having to find every element again)
B. Scan of '97 SE, with '11 effects redone in 4k. (making a 4k version of the Blu-ray, perhaps for theatrical/3D viewing; likely due to the SE being "George's vision")
C. Scan of '97 SE, replacing the CG additions with original optical effects. (making a mostly-despecialized edition/original plan for the SE; possible because it's "good enough" for most purists)
D. Scan of '97 SE, to have a 4k version of the '97 SE. (neat for preservation of a lot of people's first theatrical experience of Star Wars; doubtful because '97 Jabba should not be seen by human eyes ever again)
What else do we have?
Okay, so putting aside speculation on what these Reliant scans are for, are you saying that any restoration for a SW blu-ray would require recompositing the original elements? Which you're saying is "unlikely"?
(Also, put aside the perhaps spurious claims that Georgie liquidated the ON when he puked all over them for the notorious "special-editiation". Let's say the ON does exist.)
Would the choices then be an IP (with optical effects on there) or an "unlikely" re-compositing? Is there no "master" of sorts of the original which would not require re-compositing to be restored?
SilverWook said:
As has been suggested, draw a picture? Even a crude sketch might give us an idea of what you saw.
And by "crude," I do hope you mean to put some titties on there for those of us who need more than a stormtrooper helmet to get turned on?
NeverarGreat said:
Here are three screengrabs which I've fit to the bluray dimensions. There's different warping on the stills in question, so it's pretty clearly a new scan:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/83700/picture:0
The skintones look much better on this scan, as well as the shadow detail (check out the switches behind C-3PO and the X-Wing starfield). The oppressive pink flashes are handled much better as well. The reds are not bleeding, nor are the greens (R2's green panel lights), and the exposure is far better here. The only gripe I have is that C-3PO looks too green, but that's small potatoes compared to the dramatic jump in quality in this scan.
JEDIT: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/83709/picture:0
The shadow detail regained in the trench run shot is quite excellent.
This is why I read this website! You are a godsend. That scan looks beautiful--the way the Death Star set is cleared of the hot-pink sheen and cooled back to its grey-green glory!
Calming...calming...
SilverWook said:
I think I've seen such an image somewhere.
TMI!!!!!!
Please allow the rank-and-filers to maintain a wholesome impression of our dear moderator by keeping your extra-OT.com browsing PRIVATE!
mfastx said:
DuracellEnergizer said:
You must be from that universe where Jason Wingreen and Temuera Morrison have similar voices.
Yeah they sound different but I'm just saying it isn't really a big deal since there's only like two lines spoken anyway from Wingreen.
A first time viewer would likely not notice it if they aren't looking for it.
First time viewer of OT ESB: "Damn, that wicked spacesuit dude sounds all whisper-y, hissy badass like an interstellar Clint Eastwood. Goes with his poncho."
First time viewer of SE ESB: "Why does that wicked spacesuit poncho guy have a posh, stilted delivery with a kiwi accent, and sound like his voice is being phoned in by a bored Aukland University Classics professor?"
TV's Frink said:
What was the other 10%?
I'm guessing back issues of Club and Juggs, and overpriced overstock of Crystal Pepsi.
JediZombie said:
DuracellEnergizer said:
JediZombie said:
Here's my random thought:
Star Wars is perfection because even the shitty parts make wish I lived there.
This is what happens after you become a zombie from drinking the Lucasfilm/Lucas Licensing Kool-Aid.
Sad for you that you seem to feel the need to insult a fellow fan simply because we have differing view points.
Well you sorta opened yourself to it with the schizophrenic, cognitively dissonant doublethink you displayed. "Star Wars" (by which you seem to mean not the movie, but everything with the trademark slapped on it) is "perfection" even though it has admitted "shitty parts"? Seems to smack of epicyclical rationalization and apologism for a whole lot of what we on this board all know to be unforgivable Sins against Cinema.
Well DONE, Tobar, Dark Lord of the Gif.
I use the phrase "Useful Idiot" in the political sense--an extra-pejorative version of Cat's Paw. It doesn't mean flunky--it means someone who has some power, and is manipulated into using it to ends of which he is unaware.
See, e.g., every POTUS since JFK got "corrected"
I mean, think about your "support" for the thesis that he was in the know: that he acted as if Darf Syphilis was a witness to Doodoo's death when he asks, "But, the loss of Count Doodoo!" Based on clear, obvious tone and context, Gregious obviously believes the loss of Doodu was a setback, or he wouldn't even ask the question. Therefore, if Gregious knew that Papulae was a witness to the death, he would have known that Papulae/Syphilis gave the command! This would have confused good ol' Gregious more than Syphilis's seeming nonchalance about the death itself, no?
TV's Frink said:
TRM
AOTR
ROTR
ANR
RSB
???
Breaking TMZ SCOOP:
"TV's Frink," the impish avatar that terrorizes the threads at an online haven for curmudgeonly geeks called "OriginalTrilogy.com" is actually SCOOBY-DOO!
ATMachine said:
But as I understand it, 'N Sync were actually filmed. Lucas just took out their cameo when people complained.
Obviously apocryphal: Lucas would NEVER respond to complaints.
Never did find a Bossk myself, and I always lusted after the pictures of him on the cardbacks.
I distinctly remember my first figures: Luke in Hoth fatigues, Imperial Officer (bowling ball helmet dude) and the Taun Taun with the slit belly.
Now that I recall that memory, it's blowing my mind because it must have been either my second or third birthday when my mom gave them to me, since I know I had a whole slew of figures by the time ROTJ came out when I was four.
It's probably my first memory!
I had a tape of SW recorded from HBO, which I probably watched daily from age 2 to 4, and the HBO theme therefore calls up that SW thrill more than the 20th Century Fox fanfare. You know the one: do-do-doooo, do-doooo, do-do do do. Do-do-dooo, do-DOOO! Do-DO-DOOO!
Dunh! Dunh! Dun-nuh-nuuuunh!
This is enough to make me lose some respect for Film Forum.
Who on Earth would want to watch that dreck?
It never even occurred to me he might know.
Gregious was obviously a useful idiot, just like the Jedi were to Papulae.
Geez you guys are insistent about this Dredd thing.
Netflix queue'd.
But if it sucks, you guys have to remunerate me for my time. And let me warn you. I get $40 per half-and-half, and I can turn out several in the span of 95 min.
[BTW: thank god it's only 95 min. Most of these pulp action flicks drag on for 2 1/2 hours nowadays.]
I think I've got it!
Episode VII: Reconciliation of the Epicycles
I have a feeling I generally like movies a lot less than you do.
I have a shallow field of tolerance from which most Hollywood-type films are excluded.
The only reason I watched Iron Man and its sequesl--the only Marvel Super-dude movies I've seen--is because of RDJ's involvement.
Oh wait, I also saw the Hulk with Ed Norton. However that memory is a little fuzzy due to my reactive bludgeoning-myself-with-a-hammer-to-please-make-it-stop-please the whole time.
SilverWook said:
Darth Id said:
You cannot have a protagonist that wears a stationary mask the whole time.
It would be UN-watchable.
I tried to think of an example and didn't think of that one, even though I actually love that movie (despite its obvious flaws including its utter absence of pacing).
But Evie is the real protagonist of the film, and what a face hers is! Plus, frankly I think the mask is a big reason a lot of people hate that movie...you know, along with the obvious flaws including its utter absence of pacing...
Iron Man succeeds because its an RDJ bonanza--the mask is worn during a very small fraction of his screen time.
Hell no I didn't see DREDD. That's my point.
