Darth Id

What's the word on the Second Edition of Secret History?

G E Predator said:

As far as Obi-Wan was concerned, Luke was the "only hope" to restore the Jedi Order. 

 I find it bizarre and saddening that Lucas has brainwashed the fanbase into viewing everything through the lens of "Jedi" vs. "Sith."

Luke was the only hope for the restoration of GOOD, PEACE and JUSTICE--the "Jedi Order" was not an end of itself...or at all, for that matter.  Star Wars is supposed to be a fantasy parable about Good vs. Evil, not the obsessive, self-referential, obscurantist ourobouros it has become.

I'll bet people think Obi-Wan was Leia's "only hope" to restore the "Council of 500" or some geeked-out bullshit that no one would possibly know about after watching the garbage movies, but would only learn about through obsessively poring over reams of EU nonsense.

Was the what of the whats a what, now?

Beatleboy99 said:

My first time seeing TPM was the p&s vhs too. When I first moved into my current house 12 years ago, the previous owners left it all alone in a closet. Good for them!

 Nice.  I can just imagine the conversation:

"Honey, you left a videotape in the closet."

"I know."

"You don't want to pack it with the rest of the videos?"

"No."

"There's plenty of room, Hon."

"I know."

"But we're already paying the movers to haul 16 boxes of videotapes--might we not as well just throw that last one in there?"

"Just.  Leave it.  It's Star Wars "Episode I"--you know, with the little kid and the minstrel-show rabbit thing?"

"Oh dear god give me the packing tape the packing tape now!!!"

TheBoost said:

TPM- Midnight showing ... After the movie, I drove four hours to Vegas, slept for three hours in my car, and got up to film a wedding (my job at the time). After the wedding I went to see TPM again.

Was this some kind of self-flagellative atonement for grievous and mortal sins, as prescribed by a particularly cruel and sadistic priest?

Or are you just a world-class masochist?

IP scan is the only way to be sure all the wipe-cuts will be correct.

I would personally prefer a scan of a well-preserved IP to any reconstruction of the O-neg.

Saw it about three weeks ago and remember virtually nothing about it, except that the skeleton tattooed guy that looked so cool in the huge promotional set-up I saw for it at the theater last year was only in it for like two flashing, wordless shots.

Oh, and the "nonsense over the top CGI with unrealistic physics."  I remember that too.

Listened to the 1977 Nils Lofgren live album "Night After Night" last night.

During his opening tune "Take You to the Movies" he slips in at one point (in place of the titular lyric), "I'm gonna take you to see Star Wars," and the crowd responds with a hearty cheer. 

These are of course grown-ups, at a time when the movie was still fresh and new.  A great reminder of how the film was universally beloved by people of all ages, and it represented such a timely, unadulterated thrill.  A breathtaking, escapist joyride that everyone was taking together.

Well.  One could almost mistake this for market agitation as a precursor to an official release...

darklordoftech said:

I demand and expect the OOT. I don't demand or expect the 97SEs, but they would be a wonderful bonus. In fact, giving the 97SEs the GOUT treatment would go a long way.

 "Wonderful"?

Have you ever actually seen those things?

Not me.

Just imagine if Anakin was a dashing, charismatic hero, and was of a similar age to Obi Wan, and we could see their exploits and daring together, and not necessarily regarding the uninteresting "Clone War(s)," but during some kind of actual adventures in an expanding universe, and then we could actually see and care about a genuine transformation into evil and betrayal.

Anakin should have been the Han character, and Obi Wan should have been the Luke, coming of age and developing by experiencing the betrayal and loss of a well-sculpted friendship.  A love triangle between them and Luke's mother (only clumsily and vaguely hinted at in ROTShit) would have been nice, even if only due to Anakin's paranoia as he slid toward the Dark Side.

All of this would have to be handled by a competent screenwriter.  George would never have it in him.

Protocol Droid said:

Still no contradiction.  It is fair to assume some things that we don't see on screen still took place.  We know that for Obi-Wan, Yoda was 'The Jedi Master that once instructed me.'...and Yoda did.  We know this because Obi-Wan said it and Yoda does nothing that contradicts this.  We just never saw his instruction on screen.

If you really want to get technical about it, the words used by Yoda and Obi-Wan would suggest that Yoda was not the one that trained Obi-Wan.  Follow me on this: 

Obi-Wan says 'instruction' when speaking of Yoda's involvement in his education.  Yet, when Yoda is working with Luke, he almost exclusively uses 'train' or 'training' which suggests a deeper involvement than 'instructed'.   

Also Yoda going from living in the big city to living as a hermit was explained on screen.  He had to go into hiding as his life was in extreme danger, so he had to find a place of safety.  Also, his ability to see events clearly using The Force was clouded.  He needed to find clarity through peaceful meditation and solitude...to re-center himself with The Force.  He picked a place that would provide both.

There is no contradiction... technically or otherwise. 

 tl;dr version:

"something something a certain point of view something something..."

PLOT HOLEZ IN WURLD HISTORY!

FACT: US had atomic bomb in 1940s--blew up HIROSHIMA

WHY NOT JUST USE IT ALL THE TIME AND BLOW UP ALL OF JAPAN/GERMANY/ITALY/TUNISIA???????

FACT: US went to outer space in 1960s--IT'S ON TEEVEE!

WHY NOT JUST GO TO SPACE ALL THE TIME AND COLONIZE THE GALAXY?!?!?

CONCLUSION: Just doesn't add up.  Soemthing's fishy here.

I'm in the 98th global percentile for skepticism and the 99.99th percentile for pessimism, but thinking about it in the terms of the rumor, it would actually make a lot of sense to release the OT in the run-up to the new one.

It's virtually certain that there will be a blu-ray double-dip promotional tie-in, and from EVERYTHING that has leaked so far, the "Ep. VII" production team is really reviving the vintage roots of the franchise.  Releasing the OT would serve as a perfect prelude to dovetail into a release of the continuation story...

I don't know.  There might be something to this one...

But no matter what, I expect the mono mix will get shafted.

SilverWook said:

Wookiees are soft. ;)

 "Yaaaargh!"

[Translated roughly as "Not as soft as Ewoks!"]

--Wookiee with an Ewok fetish (or, as it is known for short on Kashyyk, 'Ewo-con')

The subliminal message is that Georgie-boy is such a piss-poor world-builder that even when he hires a team to design a romantic Venetian/Florentine city with organic, old-world baroque elements, he still has this perverse hang-up that all "vehicles" have to look campy-futuristic.  He never considers that maybe the gondolas in space Venice would have the same aesthetic as the city, rather than

O U T E R   S P A C E . . .

All this talk about the Millennium Falcon, and I think we've forgotten all the iconic craft from the PT that I'm sure we're all waiting with bated breath to see in the ST.

I can't wait to see...

uh...

oh yeah!  The

SPACE GONDOLA!

Tyrphanax said:

Dooku was one of the best character concepts for the PT and also one of the most criminally underused. I would have loved to see him develop some kind of tragic hero role (because, if you think about it, Dooku was right and should have been played as more grey than absolute evil). Or perhaps developing a relationship with Anakin to draw him away from the Jedi as his apprentice, which Palpatine turns against him in some way. I dunno. There are a thousand better ways to have done it.

 Yes all this.  And the better ways should have started by NOT calling him...

Darth Tyrannosaurus.  "Darth" anything was already a losing proposition, but then the lumbering-and-extinct-monster-with-a-peanut-sized-brain-evoking "Tyrannosaurus" just renders the character entirely nil.

O! please please please MOAR TROLLING PLEASE!@

The Incredibles

It's got the nostalgic trope-pastiche (commix superhero adventure in place of Back Rogers space opera), the ensemble development, and it's just a blast.

The characters in SWverse are ignorant to the exact extent Georgie-poo is lazy and solipsized when retconning in heaps of nonsense.

In other words, they are very, very, extremely, inexplicably, bafflingly, maddeningly, shamefully, pitifully, embarrassingly, unforgivably ignorant.

BlueCardinal said:

...you could be walking alongside Obi Wan and not know if it was him or an evil clone of him until he attacked. As an adult, that seems rather lame now, ...

 Sounds better than the PT/CGI cartoons we got.

SilverWook said:

Those were the days. None of the cantina aliens were burdened with a backstory and you could make stuff up.

As a kid, I always thought Hammerhead was a friendly fellow, since we never see him do anything bad unlike those other three fellows. ;)

 Hey I'm calling libel on your insinuation about Snaggletooth!

What did he ever do wrong?

(In the pic on his figure cardback, it looked like he was in jail, so I always thought of him as an unfortunate victim of the Empire.  I never connected him to the Cantina.  I don't think he is even visible in the cropped pan-and-scan HBO and VHS versions I was familiar with as a kid.)

I'd make George cheat first, so that Marcia's behavior was more sympathetic.