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#108285
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The original version was a Krayt (sp?) dragon noise while the 2004 DVD is of the lizard thing from Ep 3.


I assumed that the lizard thing from Ep III is a Krayt Dragon. Even before I'd seen Ep III I'd decided not to change the sound in the DVD, and I'm glad I didn't because I like the link. The original noise sounded too similar to a Dewback, to me.

DE
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#106832
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Are you not tempted to start your own 'Darth Editous 2004 Set' thread so people can find out more info on your version a little easier m8? - 20 pages and counting is some thread to go through and find (prob my short attention span


At the time I wasn't sure whether it was against the rules to discuss an edit made from the DVDs. Jay and Zion have since okayed it, so once I've started sending the DVD out, I'll be starting an official feedback thread

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A quick update...

I had a minor mishap in my car the other day so my ANH work has slowed down a little, but I did get a chance to try and reinsert the fanfare. I found out that the fanfare is still on the rear channels, which is more evidence that someone screwed up, but that allowed me to sync it properly in the front/center channels (there's a few frames cut between the crescendo and the theme, for some reason). I adjusted the volume in each channel based on the volume of the music after it comes back in, with a center channel constructed by mixing the left and right, and I'm pleased to say it sounds, to me, indistinguishable from the SE!

The last video edit (unless I find any more) needs just a bit of tidying up, but it's almost good to go as it is.

Oh, I also graphically equalised the line "...then name the system!" because the sound quality drops on it.

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#102084
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Darth Editous: this fanfare can be found in the French mix, on the official DVD.

It shouldn't be difficult to mix in from this source.


Unfortunately it's not present on the R2 DVD, just 5.1 and 2.0 in English. Even if I did have the French soundtrack, it's 2.0 so the effects for that section would have to be downgraded. If I mix in from the CD, only the music will be 2.0 (and I can construct a center channel and repeat L and R for the rear channels) and the sound effects will remain the same.

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#102051
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It's just something that becomes engrain in you and when it is missing, it's glaring.

But if you say screw that, I understand that too.


Don't worry, I completely agree that should be restored - I just didn't think it was easy. But I wonder if I might be able to use my soundtrack CD to restore the fanfare. It's not overpowering at that point, so I might get away with using a stereo source to replace 5.1 music.

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Here's Ben in his cloak. It does look better when seen in context.

http://img14.imgspot.com/u/05/111/05/face.jpg

Now if only you'd ditched the stupid praxis ring.

That would be impossible without resorting to footage from before the Special Edition, which I think looks a lot worse, or creating a brand new explosion which would be too much.

Out of curiousity, did you fix the Rebel Fanfare at the opening of the Battle of Yavin?


No I didn't. Edited to add I've just been doing some research and it looks like I was mistaken about where this change was. Now I've had a chance to check it, I don't think it would be easy enough to fix. Using SE Laserdisc audio is fine for small changes, but I don't think I could paste it in seamlessly, and a 2.0 soundtrack wouldn't be enough to work from because the scene is sound effect heavy.

I suppose it's too late to grab a copy, but then, there's always the torrent release.


PM me your address and preferred format (NTSC or PAL)

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#100960
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Info: Any Interest In A Corrected 2004 DVD? (“Deliberate Creative Decisions” info)
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Having compared a few bits of the DVD/LD soundtracks side by side, I think I prefer the DVD mix, where it's good. Unfortunately it's very inconsistent. The most obvious part is where Luke shouts to Owen about the blown-up R5. Owen's lines sound terrible, although a bit of tweaking with a graphic equalizer has sorted that out for my edit.

Are the DVD and LD exactly the same length, then, despite the changes, or did this AC3 transplant need a bit of chopping?

David
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I'd say take one of the interior bars, rotate it to be vertical, and the interiors will match the exteriors.

I'll have a look to see how much work it is, but I think it would be easier to remove the bar from exterior shots. It's probably something I can happily live without fixing

How about a before and after of the hanger picture?

I don't have a "before" available right now, and to be honest you probably won't see the difference unless you take them into an image editor and turn the levels way up - I already turned the levels up on that screenshot and you can barely see the glow (there's the white light, the grey border, and then the glow is outside that).

Editious, I would love to go back through your dvd and re-time the colors.
Reading SWLegacy has made me see the color casts and I can't unsee it.


I don't mind if you want to re-time it, or do anything else to it for that matter. I honestly can't see much of a problem on the shots on the SWLegacy site. Where he says one shot is blue and one shot is grey, if I look close and squint, they look like two very slightly different shades of blue...

Have you thought about re-cutting the battle of yavin to match the earlier timing from the original cuts?
I.E. splitting the passby shot back up in to the original two-shots.


I'm not sure which shot you're referring to, but I'm happy with the battle as it is.

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Originally posted by: skyman8081
Lord Editious, have you considered adding in a bar to the middle of the falcon's windsheild to match the model shots of it in the movie, and rest of the trilogy.

Perhaps, grab it from ESB or ROTJ.

See this shot for details.

It's an idea, but I think I'd rather remove the bar from the exterior shots (if I wanted to spend the time, which I don't!).

I would like to see the bit of the glowing ring that us missing its glow, directly underneath from where the falcon enters the DS hangar, fixed.

http://img14.imgspot.com/u/05/93/05/glow.jpg

You can probably see where the fix was made, but it's the last frame of the shot and I don't think you can tell when you watch the sequence.

If the former, how the hell do you have the space?


I have a 300Gb external hard drive

If the latter, how are you managing to join your re-encoded mpeg2s with the parts from the DVD, every method I have tried has introduced artifacts at the point of the join.


Are you re-encoding entire GOPs (Group Of Pictures - from one I-frame to the frame before the next I-frame), or just parts of GOPs?

I don't know for sure, but if you're trying to chop and change MPEG2, you should re-encode from the previous unchanged GOP to the end of the edited GOPs.

For example, if you have five GOPs:

IBBPBBPBBPBBPBB-IBBPBBPBBPBBPBB-IBBPBBPBBPBBPBB-IBBPBBPBBPBBPBB-IBBPBBPBBPBBPBB

and you edit the middle GOP, you should probably reencode from the first frame of GOP 2 to the last frame of GOP 3.

And for the best encoding experience (to ensure all bidirectional frames are truly bidirectional), I think you should re-encode the first 4 GOPs, and then splice only GOPs 2-3 into the original sequence.

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To anyone who has sent me a PM - don't be offended if I don't reply, I'm saving all your PMs until I've made my final burn.

Those two droids were one of the hardest things to fix. I tried a few different ways around it, but eventually did it like this:

I made a new background plate, painting out the droid as best I could. I then used my subpixel tracking/translation programs to cover up the droids in the first part of the sequence (after cutting 3 seconds off the front of the scene), where the camera is relatively static.

Once the camera starts moving, I gave up on the subpixel stuff (it's not neccessary for fast moving scenes). On each frame I would paste my plate on top, aligning it against the rusting spaceship in the background. Then I would transform (a skew and a scale) the lower half of the plate so that it followed the perspective of the ground, then made a mask so the droid continued to be covered as it moved (because of parallax) relative to the spaceship. That took a bit of touching up because the edges of the mask sometimes made it look like a wobbling cloud.

Then it was a matter of copying and pasting to fill in the parts of the landspeeder behind the droid.

When it came to the audio I couldn't do a simple cut or crossfade because the sound of the little droid going "boing!" was still present. So I had to loop a small section of the preceeding scene. Just recently I went back to it and had to adjust the volume a little because of discrepancies in the volume (it sounded like the landspeeder got a bit louder, than quieter, as it disappeared into the background). There's a slight loop in the music but it sounds fairly natural.

David
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#99260
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Originally posted by: RichKS
Editous,

This project is really interesting to me. I haven't read your list of changes, I'd kinda like to wait until I can see the finished thing and see what I spot.

One thing about the screenshot you've posted above: Is the top strip (the one just below the dome) supposed to still be blue?


Yup. If it had been red, to match the rest of R5, I would have turned it green but as it doesn't match his main colour anyway, I've left it as it is.

But maybe it would make more sense if it was green as well... I'll have to look at some other droids and see what the theme is.

David
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#99253
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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
If you must have a green R2, maybe try dulling down the green a bit - it's way too bright.

I think you're right. I'll go back to the drawing board on that one. I changed it to a pure green hue, but shifting over towards yellow and desaturating a bit gives a nicer result (still to be tweaked):

http://img14.imgspot.com/u/05/89/05/newgreen.jpg

Originally posted by: Moth3r
The Darth Editous version is one I would like to see, because it sounds like all the Lucas stuff I would find objectionable has been removed. For the "wow" factor as well, everything is in Lowry-cleaned-up DVD quality, there are new CGI effects (remember I've never seen the SE) and the soundtrack is in Dolby Digital 5.1 (I assume?).


PM me your address and I'll put you on the list. I'm sure you'll have an interesting take on it, as it will all be new to you.

David
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#99241
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
I quoted mverta, because I kinda echoed his feelings.

Ah, okay, that makes sense Still, I'd hope that not all my changes would be traumatic. I've tried a few on friends (like the back projection replacement of Alderaan, or the dish added to the Falcon) and the general response was "Huh? What's different?"

Originall posted by: Hardcore Legend
If you really want to fix a Vader pantomime, look at the discussion between Tarkin and Vader about Leia's lie. He is flailing his arms around like he's trying to sign the whole thing to Tarkin.


That should have been listed between items 29 and 30 on my list (I think I mentioned it in a subsequent post).

I reversed and slowed down Vader to cover up his gestures.

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#99077
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(mverta) You removed a shot of Vader because he appears 'pantomimish?'

It's just as the shot cuts from behind Leia ("Only you could be so bold"). Vader comes to a stop, puts his fists on his hips and sticks out one knee, and to me it makes him look, well, less than macho

(mverta) You've removed 3PO's blink under the assumption it was a mistake?

It seems a reasonable assumption, as to the best of my knowledge, he never "blinks" at any other time.

(mverta) You did a Mark Hamill impression and added a line of dialogue?


I'm sure you won't be the only person to find it highly objectionable, and I can totally see your point, but every time I see that scene I wonder why there's no response from Luke.

(MeBeJedi) For what it's worth - and I don't want to come across as knocking your efforts... I would probably find all these changes distracting or jolting.


MBJ, you quoted Mike (mverta), but were you addressing me or him? I wasn't sure...

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Although I'm dubious about a green R2 unit suddenly appearing in the jawa's droid lineup!)

I did consider replacing the shot with a repeat of some other shot of R2 in the line-up, but I decided on the green paint as the most minimal change that would correct the goof.

Anyway, just thought that site might be a useful reference for some of the defects present on the DVD, there may be something there that you've missed.


I certainly missed the fact that (apparently) the receding Star Wars logo goes quicker on the English language bit of the DVD than on all other languages! I've added it to my list. I'm sure as hell not going to recolour the whole movie like that guy, though!

David
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Originally posted by: Mr Freeman
If you think you've spotted something I've missed, please let me know!


I don't know if this is too difficult to fix, but in some scenes in the Death Star battle, the comlink is on the wrong side of the pilot helmets.

Great work, by the way!


Thanks!

Unfortunately I can't fix the comlink goofs. The only practical way to do it without ILM to help me would be to unflop every flopped shot. This would break the continuity of travel (an X-Wing shot from the left should have the close-up of its pilot shot from the left) which would make for a very confusing viewing experience. We'll just have to assume they have two Captain Scarlet style comlinks that flip down when needed

David