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#114620
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***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD
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Righteo, funnily it looks like the PT VHS may have used yet another as it appears to use a single-storey g as opposed to the LD and cinema double-storey (I don't have any proper copies, only an old copy of the first disc of the Phantom Edit 1.1, so the editor may have replaced them).

I'm pretty sure he did.

Both my OT and prequel DVD sets use player-rendered subtitles for the aliens, don't know if the PAL version of the OT was different to the US release.


Yup, it's nearly all separate subtitle tracks these days - lets them cut costs and only make one disc for multiple countries. I much prefer burnt in.

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#114557
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***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD
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Originally posted by: Gillean
Apparently the actual typeface used for alien subtitles in every episode was ITC Franklin Gothic Demi Bold, 69pt with -30 tracking. It is at least what was definitely used for the prequels. I only have the movies on DVD so I can't check, I also can't check whether that means just Demi or if they are faux bolding the text, I presume the former.


I've read the same page as you, but Franklin doesn't match what's on the Special Edition Laserdiscs, and the font size is meaningless if you don't know the size of the image it was being written to. The o has vertical sides, for example, much like the O in A NEW HOPE on the title crawl. But the LD has a fancier g than the Univers font. AlternateGotNo3D is an almost perfect match.

I haven't checked the subtitles on the prequel DVDs, but they may have been prepared by the DVD team. IIRC, the subtitles on the OT DVDs are some completely other font, and not very Star Wars-y.

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#114019
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***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD
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How do I hard code alien subtitles into the video like you did?


Here's what I did...

I had a still from the SE LD left over from my LD->DVD project a year or two ago. I got that in Photoshop, scaled it to match the same frame from the DVD, then made a text layer. The best match for me was AlternateGotNo3D, 42pt, 70% width, -25 on the tracking (except where characters came too close together), and with doubled spaces. For NTSC you'll need to change the height to 83%. Then I added a 1px black Inner Glow (50% opacity) and a 1px black Outer glow (100% opacity).

That will give you the same look as my DVD in Photoshop. What I then did was make the text red, the background green, and use those levels in a C program that applied the subtitles to right frames.

The inner glow softens the text (and gets rid of interlace flicker) and the outer glow makes sure it's still visible against white objects, like the lamp on the table.

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#113777
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***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD
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Darth Editous, did you make this NTSC version you speak of?


I did, so it's the same generation as the PAL one. The audio went from AC3 to PCM to AC3, the video went from MPEG2 to MJPEG AVI to MPEG2.

...which also answers bomma's PM, since I still have too many PMs to send replies

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#113694
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***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD
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So, was I included in the 4 sent this week?

Yup.

I really like the lightsaber ignitions and retractions. I like how they weren't toyed with except to smooth them out and make them visibly extend and retract.


Thanks

Luke playing with the lightsabre in Ben's hut was a morph, with either 3 or 5 (can't remember) frames inserted. Ben was also morphed a bit, because his hands and head jumped positions. The extra frames gave me room to make the blade visibly extend. Threepio also jumps in this scene - I fixed that by working out the rotation/translation of his body and head from the first half to match the second half, then applying that transformation automagically to all the frames in the first half.

Second bit was Luke turning off the lightsabre after Alderaan gets destroyed - that was easy enough.

Third was Luke turning off the lightsabre to say, "You don't believe in the force, do you?" For this I took a few frames after the lighsabre goes off and slowed them down and reversed them (but retaining the original training ball thingy). Then I painted in the lightsabre to match the original scene.

Fourth was Luke turning on the lightsabre with the helmet on. This was the jumpiest cut of them all. The best alignment was actually between the first frame with the lightsabre and the frame that came about 5 frames before, so I used three or four separate morphs - one of Luke's head, one of his left side, one of his right side, and possibly one of his lower half. These were blended in Photoshop and a matching lightsabre painted in. In slow motion you can see that his hands go from holding the lightsabre one over the other, to one above the other, so his hands seem to pass through each other, but at normal speed I think it works pretty well.

Last was Ben igniting his lightsabre in his duel with Vader. For the DVD it looks like they tried to morph him from position A to position B - but they only used a single frame! I did another automagic shifting thing so his hand stays in the same position. Because there's not much movement in his cloak I did a mix, rather than a morph, to smooth things out.

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#113485
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Info: Star Wars Executor Boxset VHS (1995)
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Can another owner of this set confirm what the quality of their "SW to Jedi" tape is ilke? Of all the preliminary captures I have done, this is the only documentary that is better on RowMan's NTSC disks.


I've got this boxset so I can check it out tonight.

I liked all the matte paintings and posters you get. I've used the posters to make DVD labels for my edits.

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#113484
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***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD
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(I'm in the US. If the format is PAL I will convert it to NTSC before redistributing.)


I hope you'll be able to get the NTSC version, because you'll have to reencode the video and resample/reencode the audio otherwise, and although it's all digital I'd prefer it if everyone got "same generation" copies.

Four more copies went out this week. There's a padded envelope crisis developing here so the final four (ReverendBeastly, KlingonJedi, Rebel11_38, Hurin) will be next week hopefully. If any of you decide to get it via another member before then, please let me know so I can cross you off the list.

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#113138
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Don't get technical with me...
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There is another way to do it. I don't remember the details but I think you use a combination of GraphEdit and Intervideo WinDVD (a version that decodes DTS).

The WinDVD components can be used as part of the graph, decoding the stream to a 6 channel WAV (I think). This method requires a soundcard capable of playing out 5.1 (like the Creative card I have which can play out of 3 stereo jacks), otherwise WinDVD won't decode to 6 channels.

Edit: you also might need the DTSWAV filter from here: http://hypercube.is.dreaming.org/

Like I said I can't remember the details, but hopefully this has given you a few hints (or a few more Google keywords).

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#112662
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***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD
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Sorry ... shoulda been more clear. I was referring to the scene after the escape from the death star where Han and Luke take on the TIE fighters. I've always called that the dogfight. All those junk mattes are gone and it looks so friggin beautiful now.

Ahh, I did wonder if that's what you meant. Some of the mattes were removed manually, but most were done automagically with a mixture of levels, curves, and channel mixes.

Hopefully I'll get it in the mail tomorrow! Mailbox campout!


Be careful - if the postie spots you hiding in the bushes he might think it's safer if he doesn't deliver to that house

Brimley, glad you liked it - even the Mark Hamill impersonation. I worked hard to get it sounding right. What did you think of the new non-clumsy Stormtrooper?

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#112504
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***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD
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Does that mean you might add the deflections back in or just leave it as this? I mean, it's fast enough that you are just like, WTF just happened, but don't really notice what really is happening.

There's only shot where it looks like there really should be a deflection.

It looks to me like Vader catches the bolt square on the left hand. Seems to me he's already raising it before Han would have fired, nonchalantly predicting a bolt in that direction and raising his hand just in time because he's just so super cool

It just kinda bugs me because everything else that is blocked in the OT and PT doesn't like blast off of someone. The laser bolts hitting Vader have the same effect as they do when they hit Stormtroopers, except Troopers die.


Are there any other occurences of blaster bolts being deflected/blocked by a Jedi/Sith/armour?

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#112483
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***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD
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I just had a look at the corridor on Bespin, and I see it now. I missed it the first time because it almost seems like they turn 90 degrees before opening the door. Tricky... but not impossible.

It looks like Vader is meant to be deflecting the blaster bolts. One shot, from behind Vader, shows a bolt hitting his hand, sparking, then another light flaring up on the wall by the door, although the blaster bolt is never seen going from hand to door. There's also another burn visible on the other side of the door, presumably from one of the previous bolts.

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#112473
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Idea: Working & Releasing the Audiotracks separately?
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I can do digital rips of audio tracks from LD, though I'd only be confident of doing it with an AC3 track - the reason being, AC3 is broken up into packets of a fixed length, so it's easy to tell when there's been a cut-out. I wrote a bit of C to scan through the raw recording and reconstruct the AC3 file, and if there was a skip, I could work around it or just re-record that side until it came out perfect. If I was to try the same with a PCM track, it might well have (very small) skips, and it would be hard to tell they were there.

That, and I only own the Special Edition laserdiscs which nobody wants

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#112373
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best quality rips
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Edit: this is assuming you want to work from the DVDs as source:

I use Smartripper, using the "demux to extra file" option to rip an m2v (an mpeg 2 file with video only). You should be able to import that into most video editors.

It doesn't really matter though, as any ripper (DVDDecrypter is another popular one) will give you the same data.

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#112337
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***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD
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Originally posted by: MagnoliaFan
In the SE and 04 version when Lando takes Han and Co to the banquet hall to meet Vader, there's a big bay window in the first shot walking toward the room and it vanishes in all subsequent shots.

Hmm. I knew about that one since the SE, and I was sort of looking out for it (but not intently), but I didn't notice it. I'll check it again tonight, unless you can email me a few screenshots in the next few hours so I can get a handle on it.

Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend
First, Han is firing shells out the top of his blaster, which, never land.

Thanks, I missed that one. There were shells in ANH too (I painted them out when I did my SE LD to DVD conversion), but the 2004 DVD cleanup process seems to have treated most of them as dirt and wiped them away.

Originally posted by: Hardcored Legend
Is he using the Force to block the blasts and if so, why are they flashing like explosions.


I'd say the energy has to be expended somehow, so the bolts are exploding against whatever F/force field he's projecting. And Vader could probably block the shots without raising his hand, it just looks better The fact that he does it slowly shows how little it matters - if he moved quickly it would appear that he was in some danger.

This is one of those things where the editors made deliberate choices about how they cut the scene, and I think those choices should override concerns about cause and effect.

That said, I do intend to make a better job of the top hatch on the Falcon by re-editing the scene. Makes you wonder why they noticed that when they did the SE, but not all the other stuff

Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Received the disk this morning. Haven't had a chance to watch it yet but just wanted to say thanks.


Uh, you did? You're not in my list of addresses

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#112202
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***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD
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I have one, for sure....lightsabers. They are particularly bad in the Bespin battle. The cave, not so much, but Bespin for sure.

There are certainly a handful of shots where I'll definitely brighten up his lightsabre, but I don't think I'll redo every shot just to get it 100% consistent. I've just this second found that in the shot where you see Luke zipping up into the ceiling, Vader's lightsabre blade actually disappears in the last frame, and you can see the prop.

Speaking of out of sync voices, wasn't Leia's out of sync in ANH when she says 'get this walking carpet', or did you address that?


I think the dialogue in that scene was all looped. I didn't look into it too closely but I figured there wasn't much I could to do to improve it.

Hopefully some of you will be getting ANH in the mail tomorrow!

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#112175
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***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD
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While you're all waiting for your copies of ANH, I've just watched ESB - the first time I've watched the 2004 DVD.

I thought it was going to take a lot less fixing than ANH, but my list is almost 60 items long!

One thing I noticed is a few specific out of sync sound effects. There's Yoda knocking shut R2's door with his cane, Leia trying to twist the lever back in the Falcon right before Han kisses her, and Han's carbonite block hitting the deck. Can anyone else notice them?

Does anyone have any pet peeves with ESB they think I should consider?

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#111899
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Rotoscoping help
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When I export the film to a film strip file to be used in Photoshop, the frames stay at 720x480, but the actual movie image shrinks so that it is directly in the middle of the 720x480 frame. What gives? Is there any other way to fix this or any other way to capture the 84 frames I need to capture for the scene on the Falcon following Alderaan's distruction?

So it has a black border all the way around, not just top and bottom? Does it stay at a "stretched" 16:9 ratio? The "active" area of each frame should be about 720x360, so that leaves about 60 pixels of black on the top and bottom.

I know I mentioned it before, but I use VirtualDub-MPEG2 - first, to open the ripped M2V, then to save out an image sequence of the frames I need to edit. Then I can load that sequence back into VirtualDub, editing frames as individual files and previewing them on the fly. Then I use VirtualDub to save out an AVI which I later encode to MPEG2.

This is the saber I'm using. Disagree with the way it looks if you want, but it is IDENTICAL to Anakin's saber in multiple scenes in ROTS.


What are you using as your reference? Not disagreeing - the ROTS sabres did seem more solid and less nebulous than ever before.

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