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#118140
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3:2 on laserdisc question
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/118140/action/topic#118140
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Does anyone have an answer to that one? I asked on a laserdisc newsgroup but nobody bit.


Any sign of any fully repeated frames? When I grabbed some of my NTSC laserdiscs I found they repeated every fifth frame, not every fifth field, but I don't know if that's down the capture card or the laserdisc.

Now you come to mention it, I ran my Mission: Impossible side 3 (NTSC CAV) at 1/30th speed and couldn't spot any repeated frames either... spooky.

DE
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#118139
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3:2 on laserdisc question
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/118139/action/topic#118139
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25=25=25. simple. here it's 24=23.98=29.97.


Actually it's more like 24=25=25, which means us PAL watchers are used to watching almost every imported movie or filmed TV show at a higher pitch. Enterprise, for example - T'Pol sounds a lot lower on the downloads than she does on TV. But we do get a 1:1 ratio of film frames to video frames.

Recent showings of Stargate sound like they've tried to squeeze the audio rather than simply resampling it - it sounds the right pitch but has the occasional glitch. None of which helps you, CharlieX, but I think it's interesting

I could probably knock something up in C that could strip out repeated frames/fields (depending on how it was captured) but you'd have to feed it an image sequence (one Targa file per frame), and at 1mb per frame you'd need a lot of storage.

DE
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#118124
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3:2 on laserdisc question
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/118124/action/topic#118124
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It might be that when it was being "encoded" (as far as the word holds for Laserdisc), they made sure that any scene changes would only happen on a complete frame ("frames" in this sense usually start, I think, with the bottom field first). There's also the time compression issue - sometimes a percentage of the repeated fields are removed in order to fit the film on two sides.

If only you guys had gone with a 50Hz electrical supply...

DE
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#118037
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Info Wanted: Special Edition Screenshot Request
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/118037/action/topic#118037
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I can post a PAL screenshot later - PAL has higher resolution (edit: except in this case because you have the fullscreen DVDs which aren't available in PAL, as far as I know) and doesn't seem to suffer with the blocky reds. A grab from a digital broadcast might still have the same problem.

If you're curious, I'm working on the font for these screens. And no, it's not aurebesh.


I'm still curious... why are you working on the font?

DE
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#117464
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Pan & Scan O-OT Project (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/117464/action/topic#117464
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I've only just looked it up, but it sounds like time compression might not actually remove any of the frames. It removes some of the repeated fields that have to be inserted to bump the 24fps film up to 30fps video. You could save 20 minutes over 2 hours by doing this all the time, but then the film would run 125% quicker and everyone would sound chipmunks

Which leads me to wonder whether the LD->DVDers among us do remove these repeated fields or if they just put 30fps video onto DVD? And if the source has been time compressed, how do you reverse the pulldown?

David
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#116857
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***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/116857/action/topic#116857
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I'm not sure if this was answered before or not, but is this single or duel layered?


It's single layered, but with no menus or extras it still has about 80% the bitrate of the original, and was done at the highest quality encoding I could do - it took 15 hours (with multi-threading).

DE
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#116610
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***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/116610/action/topic#116610
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Come on, Hardcore Legend. This is the guy who put Obi-Wan's face in the hood.


Heh. That was a piece of cake after some of the other stuff! But creating six new frames on the end of a scene... morphs wouldn't help you there.

But, to be honest, it never really occured to me to restore the old shot, and now that I think about it I still prefer the SE one.

DE
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#116354
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***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/116354/action/topic#116354
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You used PAL as a source, which has a bit better color timing than the NTSC version. So thus, when you converted PAL to NTSC (which is what you did, right?) it preserved the better image coloring. The Death Star goes from blackish blue (NTSC) to the correct grey (PAL).


Really? That's odd, since the region 1 and 2 DVDs would probably have been mastered from the same source... weird!

DE
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#116264
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***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/116264/action/topic#116264
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Hey there DE, just wanted to know if you mailed my DVD yet. I didn't get anything this week and so I wanted to make sure there wasn't some trouble with mail again.

I mailed it today, but I don't know when it will get to you.

Took me this long, but I just realized that the chasm that Obi Wan is in has green lights and the one that Luke is in has white lights. Why is this? I mean, I wouldn't think the Empire would get these green lights for effect?


I did a doubletake on that when I first watched the DVD. But sure enough, those lights have always been green, we've just never seen them so saturated. I don't know why it would have shaken - all I did was apply a some new hues to the overhead matte painting (two shots).

the video is just so much better (PAL)


Didn't I send you the NTSC version? It shouldn't look much different from the region 1 DVDs.

DE
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#116148
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Problems Adding deleted scenes back into AOTC
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/116148/action/topic#116148
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Those frames aren't repeated, they are blended together, part of the frame before, part of the frame following.


Ah, that's why I said fields A field is half a frame - one field is the even numbered lines, the other is the odd numbered lines. By my reckoning there will be one "reconstructed" frame for every four full frames (eight fields), bumping 24fps up to 30fps - this isn't quite what I thought you were describing though, because:

I think, although I'm not certain, that when a DVD player does the bumping up, it repeats one field for every four original fields (2 frames) - the order of the two fields in a frame is reversed each time a field is repeated, but because the frames are progressive this makes no difference.

Sounds like, the way they've done it, that you can just delete the offending frames (which might take a while), save as a 23.976fps AVI and import that into Vegas.

DE
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#116087
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***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/116087/action/topic#116087
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I was never bothered by the hatch shot myself. I always assumed it was a touch of backtracking when they showed Luke's POV. I've read a lot of books like that, so that's what I always thought.


There's also a bigger case of that right at the start. We see the probe crash, and the droid float away, then we see the probe crashing from Luke's POV. I thought about editing it all together, but it's definitely a creative decision that shouldn't be messed with. The hatch seems more like it's done for shot length than anything else, so it might be fair game.

DE
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#116085
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***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/116085/action/topic#116085
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Distribution update: four more copies going out today, including one to the antipodes. One more to go out next week, but I'm going to take a break from distributing after that - so if I haven't confirmed to you that I'm sending you a copy, you might need to try getting it from somewhere else.

Please don't feel slighted but this though - I just have to stop at some point before I use up all the padded envelopes and run up too big a bill for postage! There should be enough copies now to start the avalanche.

And please remember, if I haven't replied to a PM it's not because I'm deliberately ignoring you, but because I'm always going over my 25 PM limit. But I appreciate your interest!

DE
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#116081
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Problems Adding deleted scenes back into AOTC
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/116081/action/topic#116081
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When a movie is normally encoded for an NTSC disc, it's done at 24fps (actually 23.976fps but we'll round up), and a flag is inserted to tell the DVD player to repeat every 5th field, producing the 30fps the TV needs. What's probably happened here is that the repeated field has been inserted as part of the video stream, probably due to the deleted scenes coming from videotape. If you put the 30fps video into VirtualDub-MPEG2, you'll probably see some frames are repeated as you step through.

DE
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#115185
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***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/115185/action/topic#115185
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That Obi-Wan screenshot (with his face in the hood during the duel) sells it for me.


Whew. I was a little worried about that one at first. It's a pretty brief shot though - one of those things you probably wouldn't even notice without being told.

By the way, the quality of the screenshots on page 1 shouldn't be taken as an indication of the quality of the DVD. With no extras and no menus, I was able to keep the bitrate pretty high, probably around 80% of the original.

DE
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#114956
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***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/114956/action/topic#114956
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Darth Editous, did you manage to send mine out yet? I'm only asking cuz I'm expecting other DVDs from elsewhere and am thinking I have a shifty postman.

Fraid not. I've still got your details but I haven't cleared the original list yet.

What would you do with the GI Lando shot? Is that salvagable at all or will you just have to cull that 'un?


I'm not sure if you still mean the hatch shot when you say GI Lando. I was thinking of taking out the second hatch again and cutting it a bit tighter, so you see the one hatch open slightly, then the top shot with the hatch already slightly open, which seems a nicer way of fixing the shot, although it might not quite explain the bright light seen around Lando when he comes out.

DE
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#114944
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***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/114944/action/topic#114944
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I wasn't expecting first class shipping in a padded envelope in a full DVD case!


When you say first class, it's not literally first class, as we don't have such a thing where I live And you would have had it in a paper cover if I hadn't bought 100 DVD cases two years ago before I realised I was never going to use them all

DE
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#114672
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***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/114672/action/topic#114672
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PAL, right? If you don't mind PayPaling what could well be astronomical postage I can send it in a paper case inside a small padded envelope to cut it down.

Can you email me your address? dartheditous (at) hotmail (dot) co (dot) uk

Those who are still waiting, I'm still waiting for more padded envelopes to come in

DE