Danfun128

TV's Frink said:

35) Being Darth Id.

 In other words, giving him a permaban :P

brash_stryker said:

Akton said:

Han Solo IRL said:

I don't think fan reverence for Darth Vader should be projected on to characters in a film who don't even know of Anakin's future.

 Well, George Lucas seemed to think that pretty much every other kind of wanky fanservice  nod to Vader's popularity needed to be artificially projected backward onto the character of Anakin. He never seemed to miss an opportunity to ham-fistedly browbeat the audience with jarring, gratuitous, wink-wink-nudge-nudge reminders that Anakin's future as Vader was on the horizon:

- "We're going to be watching your career with great interest!"

- "Why do I get the feeling that you're going to be the death of me?"

- Vader breathing at the end of TPM.

- Anakin casting a Vader shadow in the TPM poster.

- Vader's face in Anakin's cloak in that wretched ROTS poster.

Hell, the whole Anakin-as-Chosen-One theme so central to the entire prequel trilogy is just such an artificial projection. It makes absolutely no sense in the greater scheme of the saga; it's simply a lazy, contrived imposition of gravitas and importance onto a character for no other reason than that he's a pop culture icon in the real world, utterly apart from the universe he inhabits.

What I mean about preserving the character's mystique is this: Leave some mystery to his origins. There's no reason to introduce him to us as a child. Han Solo retains so much of his mystique because we are introduced to him fully formed, yet still prime for a transformative character arc. That would be greatly compromised if we were subjected to a ten-year-old Han prancing and gamboling about the forests of Kashyyk or wherever (which very nearly happened, by the way). Did Han's grandmother call him "Hanny-poo?" I don't know and I don't want to. We don't need to. It would add nothing of value to the character and, in fact, would detract much.

And what I mean about preserving Vader's dignity is this: Give his younger self character traits consistent with his future self. An abiding intellectual interest in fascism (as opposed to ignorant indifference); a deep-seated hatred for the galactic republic in its current condition (apart from a single throwaway line); an innate tendency to violence and even cruelty (as opposed to an isolated indulgence in revenge) - all of these can conceivably lead to a character like Darth Vader whilst preserving the character's dignity. Presenting him as a churlish, whiny, lovesick and, frankly, not very intelligent man-child? Not so much (on either score). Respecting his dignity means showing him actually converting to the Dark Side, not being tricked into it. Respecting his dignity means not saddling him with a childish, effeminate nickname. Respecting his dignity means not going out of your way to craft an entire film introducing the character in his childhood (with all the various indignities concomitant with that) in which nothing at all of consequence to the saga happens that could not have occurred later anyway.

What I'm asking for is that the character be treated with the respect and consistency due to him in his own story, not the projection of an extraneous "fan reverence," which, with all his ham-fisted winks to the audience and his utterly false, tacked-on "chosen one" plot contrivance is precisely what Lucas actually did.

All this. Totally agree.

Fans aren't reacting to the name Ani/Annie just because they feel Darth Vader is due retrospective reverence in his backstory. As Akton just pointed out, that's exactly what Lucas did repeatedly in the form of horrible forced foreshadowing. That nickname would be cringey for ANY Star Wars character. For the sake of argument, let's say we had a character called 'Anableps Calrissian', and he kept being addressed as "Annie". It would still be horrible. Him having future significance doesn't come into it.

Explaining it away in-universe by saying "but it's a shortening of Anakin" doesn't change the fact it could (and should) have been written differently.

This isn't really the thread for this discussion though, I know.

I remember seeing in the episode 2 featurettes that even Hayden Christenson thought the name "Ani" was silly at first.

Ahh, the so called five star collection bootlegs.

I'm pretty sure if one is looking hard enough they could find better copies of the 97se then that.

DominicCobb said:

Danfun128 said:

What would mine be?

 ^that

 ^wouldn't make any sense as a title.

What would mine be?

SilverWook said:

Wishful thinking perhaps, but not without precedent. Even a studio like Universal restored the Paramount logo to Rear Window and Psycho, films they have long owned.

 Warner Bros never removed the MGM logo from the MGM films they have in possession, like Wizard of Oz or Tom and Jerry shorts.

I agree that light moderation is a good idea for off-topic. Not as regulated as regular, but not as troll friendly and bathroom-ish as it is now.

Trolls think they can get away with anything in the off topic section, and as of this writing, they are right, sadly. It would be nice if someone put a stop to that.

It's been discussed on the "Star Wars Digital HD Release .... April 10th" thread, which is a lot more logical than this thread.

I looked at the first seven minutes of Starcrash. The special effects were decent for their time, and the music was nice, but the dialog was painful.

edit: I admit that the MFT3K is much more watchable.

darth_ender said:

...you must never directly or indirectly respond to any comment he makes, even in General Star Wars Discussion, where he pretends to be a productive member of society.

 "productive member of society"? HA! He called me "dense" in the "Adventures in Raising the Next Generation of Original Star Wars Fans" thread. That being said, I'm not sure that I'm ready to take this pledge, though I will consider it.

So you think I'm an idiot. Can you name anybody else you consider "dense"?

I've honestly never heard of Star Crash before today...

Akton said: ...Star Crash never subjects us to a towheaded 9 year old Count Zarth Arn constructing Intergalactic Police Robot "L" in his bedroom, so you know... there's that.

 What are you talking about? Unless...are you referring to TPM?

Jetrell Fo said:

Danfun128 said:

Maybe someone else can upload it to the spleen or tehparadox.

I don't like usenet because it isn't free. :P

But your okay with one of us here, who pays for usenet just for stuff like this, to then spend the time and bandwidth to upload it for you, for free?  

Did I miss anything? 

 ...yeah...I just realized how stupid my comment sounded...

...sorry...

SilverWook said:

Apparently they have ditched the Fox logo and fanfare...

http://makingstarwars.net/2015/04/the-star-wars-saga-digital-release-has-a-new-fanfare-before-the-films/

https://twitter.com/MakingStarWars/status/586387893318369280/video/1

Star Wars still has it's Fox.

 Strange. I was expected the standard disney intro, then the lucasfilm limited logo with no music, like what CBS/FOX did with PAL releases of the OUT here. Perhaps something like this, but without the Bad Robot logo of course.

Sqrt(-Garfield): http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=1

Maybe someone else can upload it to the spleen or tehparadox.

I don't like usenet because it isn't free. :P

TV's Frink said:

My sources, which are very highly placed, indicate that Lando dies in the new digital version of ROTJ.

 ...that will be hard to reconcile with the available footage...unless...

Bingowings said:

This time the colars will be fixed.

 Yes, the duping will be fixed.

CatBus said:

TV's Frink said:

What have I done?

You have finally achieved Maximum Derailment!

And they said it couldn't be done...

TV's Frink said:

Can we please stay on-topic?

Considering that you call yourself "The Grand Duke of Off Topic",those are words that I didn't expect you would say.

As the top seller for skyscrapper bunnies, I decided against selling you one under grounds of your product conducting of false advertising. 1,2,6,7,8,9,14,and 16 are questionable. Besides, cookies come from the dark side...

...is that the playboy bunny logo at the top left?

How do you define "clean"?

edit: You don't deserve the golden bunny. I will give you the

mixture of iron and clay http://heaven.internetarchaeology.org/heaven.html

AntcuFaalb said:

Danfun128 said:

I have doubts that Star Trek TOS and Hartnell/Troughton Doctor Who Serials will be released into the public domain in my lifetime, let alone Star Wars.

So...?

 So... Copyright law in it's current state is ridiculous. Keep in mind that ST:TOS and B&W DW are from the '60s. The OUT is from Late '70s/Early '80s.

If copyright law were a little saner, I wouldn't be surprised if those '60s items were in public domain now.

Wow, ESA, MPAA, and RIAA being overly protective of their work, wanting to see "hackers" hanged so they can never be destroyed...

...this does not surprise me in the least.

AntcuFaalb said:

Long-story-short: It's not for us. It's for our Star-Wars-is-in-the-public-domain-holy-shit!!!1 descendants.

 Keyword being descendants. I have doubts that Star Trek TOS and Hartnell/Troughton Doctor Who Serials will be released into the public domain in my lifetime, let alone Star Wars.

AntcuFaalb said:

Let's not clog up Team-1's thread any more than we already have.

 Sorry, but it had to be said :P

Internet Provider, Internet Protocol, or Intellectual Property Legislative Colonization. Take your pick :P